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 Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. 
#803665 - 01/21/16 07:31 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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What Light would you guys prefer? The XTE 400 is modular which means you can replace broken parts yourself. Psychotron recommended me the XTE 400 for a 2x4 grow space, but I just want to know what the other people think.
I also found this website that says k5 features are gimmick. http://www.compareledgrowlights.com/gimmicks/#timer
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803666 - 01/21/16 08:09 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd recommend staying away from LED's period...but I have no first hand experience with growing plants, only research that I've done.
I personally plan on using tube lights for the germinating stage (until I get to the point where I start cloning of course).
From there I will do the Screen of Green Method using a Metal Halide (MH) bulb for the vegetative stage and then I'll be switching to a High Pressure Sodium (HPS) light for the flowering stage.
I'd be wanting a 600W MH bulb and a 1000W HPS because the room I'll be using is 4x4. You want 50W per square foot for the flowering stage...
My room is 4x4. so 4 times 4 = 16
16 x 50 (because you want 50 wats per square foot) = 800
So therefore I would want an 800W HPS light (but the light I want, the one I linked you, jumps from 600W to 1000W so I'd want the 1000W one and I could hook it up to a dimmer if I wanted to...or just use it as 1000W).
And if I understand it correctly, the MH light for the vegetative stage can be a little less which is why I'd be getting a 600W MH light instead of a 1000W one (save electricity and whatnot since I'll be having the vegetative light on close to 24 hours a day)
Your room is 2x4. 2 times 4 = 8
8 x 50 = 400
If I were you personally, I would get a 400W HPS and a 250W MH light and just leave it at that.
They have ballasts that switch between 400W and 250W so you'd only need one ballast. If you did a Screen of Green you wouldn't want to go through the trouble of moving your vegetative plants to a whole other flowering room anyways. You could just switch your ballast to 250W, put in your MH bulb during the vegetative stage, and then when it's time to switch over all you'd have to do is flip the switch to 400W and change out your MH bulb to a HPS bulb and you're golden.
Like I said, I have no first hand experience, but I really wouldn't go through the trouble of an LED light...
From what I've seen, any LED light that's actually worth having is going to cost you out the ass...With that money you could just get a MH and HPS light setup AND pay for the electric bill for a couple of grows.
MH and HPS light doesn't use as much electricity as most people think it does as explained in this post https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/50049/fpart/1/vc/1
And from what I understand, you'd have a way better yield.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803667 - 01/21/16 08:13 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Money is not a issue for me. I want LED's because they run cooler and the summer where I live is 107ºF outdoors and indoors 85-90ºF.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803668 - 01/21/16 08:17 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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If money isn't an issue then I don't see why you don't just put good ventilation with it and get the most out of your yield and quality 
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803669 - 01/21/16 08:31 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Because ventilation will not cool the room. I will need a AC i guess. I could do that too..
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803670 - 01/21/16 08:44 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ventilation will DEFINITELY help if you do it right.
Have a fan blowing in fresh air to your plants at the bottom of the room and then set up an inline fan with a carbon filter and a piece of duct hose hooked up to it shooting out into the attic or out of the house. That will help a lot with keeping the smell down and all the heat from your lights are going straight to the inline fan and out of the room.
http://www.amazon.com/iPower-GLFANXINL4FILT4MD8C-4-Inch-Inline-Ducting/dp/B00D7M6692/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8
This would probably be a good one for that size of a room.
But yeah, a portable A/C will probably be necessary with or without the MH and HPS lights if it stays at about 85 - 90 in your house. You want them around 78 if you can.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803671 - 01/21/16 08:47 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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It will be a grow tent inside a room. I can't make any holes to that room. I mean the hot air from the lamps will need to be expelled out of the tent into the room. That's the only option I will have because all the walls of that room adjoin with neighbors walls.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803672 - 01/21/16 08:53 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ah, I see your issue now. It would still help with the smell significantly because it would be going through the carbon filter as opposed to just smelling up your house in the tent. You could have a fan blowing from the opening of the tent and if you're feeling like fucking with it you can cut a hole big enough for your duct to stick out of your tent at the top of the opposite end and just glue or silicone the hole in the tent to your air duct so its sealed there and you don't have any unnecessary openings.
You'd get lots of fresh air with it circulating into the tent and back out into your room through the carbon filter. Just a thought.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803673 - 01/21/16 08:54 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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It will be a grow tent inside a room. I can't make any holes to that room. I mean the hot air from the lamps will need to be expelled out of the tent into the room. That's the only option I will have because all the walls of that room collide with neighbors walls.
Running the exhaust into the same room is only going to make it that much hotter and it's gunna reeeek. Exhausted air is used/spent/humid air and pulling that back through your tent as fresh air isn't ideal at all.
Don't worry so much about the light and worry more about ventilation because it sounds like that is going to be your biggest hurdle. Plus this is what will get you busted.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803674 - 01/21/16 09:02 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Probably a dumb idea if your buildings are connected....but do you think it would be worth it to pop a hole in the ceiling and just shoot the exhaust hose into the attic?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803675 - 01/21/16 09:03 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe if you had like a $200 carbon filter or something? lol
(not including the price of the inline fan and exhaust hose.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803676 - 01/21/16 09:04 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's why i wanted to use LED lights in the first place lol, and if I still need Air conditioner i will put it. But i think that with the LED lights and the air conditioner i'll be ok expelling the hot air out of the tent into the room.
Scribbler you are saying that uses/spent air back to the tent is bad but the A/C will be injecting fresh new air in the sealed room. I mean that's the only option I have, I can't make a hole in the room to expelled the hot air out. I still thinking how I'm going to put an A/C in that room if I can't make any holes for the AC tubes. I Might be able to make some holes for the tubing in a wall that is not colliding with neighbors walls, but another hole for the extraction of hot air from the tent... I doubt it. I also have a dehumifier.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803677 - 01/21/16 09:06 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Probably a dumb idea if your buildings are connected....but do you think it would be worth it to pop a hole in the ceiling and just shoot the exhaust hose into the attic?
Holes in the ceiling are not a option either lol.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803678 - 01/21/16 09:10 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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At my first apartment building the attic was accessible from any apartment through a hole in the closet. Honestly, if I lived a wall away from people, there is no way I would grow weed it stinks more than you think and it just takes 1 person to fuck you.
I think it would be ok running the AC exhaust somewhere because that has an explanation. When I wasn't running my central air and growing my house would smell so delicious lol circulation is absolute KEY. Since you don't have many options though def. go with LED and a NICE carbon filter. There are cheap ones on ebay and shit but they fucking suck and a good carbon filter is arguably one of the most important things when growing indoors IMO. I got a $50 ebay one which barely did anything then a $120 one from the hydro shop and I can't smell a damn thing.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803679 - 01/21/16 09:11 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's why I was saying to use a PORTABLE air conditioner instead of a wall air conditioner. It's basically like an electric heater...except with cold air lol. I'm trying to do everything in the basement so the wall isn't really an option for me either.
Also, I think LED lights would solve your temperature problem (which would be solvable anyways)...but it doesn't solve your ventilation problem. Your plants are still going to produce that humidity and carbon dioxide with or without an LED
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803681 - 01/21/16 09:20 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You still have to exhaust portable air conditioners.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803682 - 01/21/16 09:28 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I still thinking how I'm going to put an A/C in that room if I can't make any holes for the AC tubes.
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That's why I was saying to use a PORTABLE air conditioner instead of a wall air conditioner.
I thought he was asking how to cut a hole in the wall for an air conditioner, didn't realize he was talking about where to stick the exhaust hose.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803683 - 01/21/16 09:30 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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What Light would you guys prefer? The XTE 400 is modular which means you can replace broken parts yourself. Psychotron recommended me the XTE 400 for a 2x4 grow space, but I just want to know what the other people think.
I also found this website that says k5 features are gimmick. http://www.compareledgrowlights.com/gimmicks/#timer
The XTE from advanced led is the way to go here.
I've seen nothing but great results so far out of them.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803684 - 01/21/16 09:32 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I still thinking how I'm going to put an A/C in that room if I can't make any holes for the AC tubes.
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That's why I was saying to use a PORTABLE air conditioner instead of a wall air conditioner.
I thought he was asking how to cut a hole in the wall for an air conditioner, didn't realize he was talking about where to stick the exhaust hose.
Yeah man he can't even cut a hole for a hose.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Stoneth]
#803685 - 01/21/16 09:35 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Geeeeeeeez that's $1200 here http://advancedledlights.com/3w-led-grow-lights/xte-series-led-grow-light-usa-made-5w-leds/
So why isn't cutting into the ceiling an option out of curiosity? It's not like the board on your ceiling is also the floor of the people above you. There's some space in there lol
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803688 - 01/21/16 09:40 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You guys talk about air circulation inside the tent? I mean inside the tent is the most important from what I know. Outside the tent why you need circulation, the outside of the tent is just to hold the hot air while the AC is doing it's thing. Or I'm wrong? I have a Dehumidifier if it get to humid.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803689 - 01/21/16 09:41 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't need circulation. You need ventilation.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803690 - 01/21/16 09:41 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Geeeeeeeez that's $1200 here http://advancedledlights.com/3w-led-grow-lights/xte-series-led-grow-light-usa-made-5w-leds/
So why isn't cutting into the ceiling an option out of curiosity? It's not like the board on your ceiling is also the floor of the people above you. There's some space in there lol
Yeah, there's nobody living above. But Ceiling Holes are a pain in the ass with the rain and that shit. Also my house is old and the walls and ceilings are HARD as fuck. Hard like stones.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803692 - 01/21/16 09:43 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't need circulation. You need ventilation.
I'm confused. Why i need ventilation outside the tent.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803694 - 01/21/16 09:44 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rain? You're not sticking it out of the roof, you're jut poking it above the ceiling. Like an inch or so and just seal between the hose and the ceiling.
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Also my house is old and the walls and ceilings are HARD as fuck. Hard like stones.
Trust me, there's tools to cut it with.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803696 - 01/21/16 09:46 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't need circulation. You need ventilation.
I'm confused. Why i need ventilation outside the tent.
I mean why I need ventilation if inside the room i will have AC unit and dehumidifier. Co2 Is better to keep it in a sealed room, so why i need ventilation outside the tent?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803697 - 01/21/16 09:47 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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If he doesn't own the place cutting holes in the place may not be wise.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803698 - 01/21/16 09:48 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Moving the same air around the room is just circulation. you need fresh air coming in and old air going out for it to be ventilation. Scribbler explained it earlier.
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Running the exhaust into the same room is only going to make it that much hotter and it's gunna reeeek. Exhausted air is used/spent/humid air and pulling that back through your tent as fresh air isn't ideal at all.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Stoneth]
#803699 - 01/21/16 09:49 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I intend to use this carbon filters also http://www.phreshfilter.com/ Which are gooood.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Stoneth]
#803700 - 01/21/16 09:50 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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If he doesn't own the place cutting holes in the place may not be wise.
Very true. My thought on it was that if your plants came through like they were supposed to then when you're ready to take everything down you'll have no problem paying for the supplies needed to fix the ceiling real quick.
Unless you got busted...in which case who cares about the hole in the ceiling?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803703 - 01/21/16 09:55 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't need circulation. You need ventilation.
I'm confused. Why i need ventilation outside the tent.
I mean why I need ventilation if inside the room i will have AC unit and dehumidifier. Co2 Is better to keep it in a sealed room, so why i need ventilation outside the tent?
If you don't vent/cycle whatever the air it becomes stagnant and bleh. Sure you vent out but you also need air coming in. Your AC is just cooling air already in the room, no? I'm not sure how those AC's work I guess. Either way an AC isn't going to "refreshen" the air for your plants it's just going to make it colder.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803704 - 01/21/16 09:57 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ye that's what I was telling him. Quote him, not me lol
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803705 - 01/21/16 09:59 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I changed it my bad lol
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803707 - 01/21/16 10:00 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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So how many holes I need the room. 1 For the air conditioner and 1 for an INtractor to inject fresh air?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803709 - 01/21/16 10:04 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nah man.
Get a portable air conditioner, no hole needed.
You only need one hole for the duct hose going out from the inline fan.
You'll have a regular fan blowing in fresh air (from the room) into the bottom of the tent.
You'll have your inline fan blowing from the top of your tent into a duct hose that leads to I'm guessing the ceiling.
You'll have the air conditioner blowing when needed to keep the ideal temperature.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803710 - 01/21/16 10:06 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Portable air conditioners can be a bit pricey
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Heating-Venting-Cooling-Air-Conditioners-Coolers-Air-Conditioners-Portable-Air-Conditioners/N-5yc1vZc4m4Z2bcqfk
If you have the money, by all means go ahead and get one new.
If you don't, I wouldn't see anything wrong with buying a used one that works good. It's not hard to tell whether it's going to work or not when all you have to do is simply plug it in before you buy it.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803712 - 01/21/16 10:07 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm also planning on trying to find a good used inline fan.
My carbon filter will of course be new.
I'll also be getting a used regular fan (to draw fresh air into my room)
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803713 - 01/21/16 10:17 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just some quick advice though...that may be obvious for some but not for others.
IF you do decide to go with a MH and HPS bulb make sure to get a good ballast.
The last thing you want is to get some cheap setup like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/250w-HPS-MH-Grow-Light-Kit-Dimmable-Digital-Ballast-27x18-Adjust-Wing-Reflector-/381429074832?hash=item58cef1cb90&rmvSB=true
Galaxy is a good brand, they're the one I'll probably be going with. And remember how I said something earlier in my first post about having a ballast that switches wats? Make sure you have the right ballast for the right light.
Do not try to stick a 1000W light bulb in a 600W ballast.
Again, this is probably obvious but I'd hate to have your next post be about how you caught your apartment on fire...if we had the chance to hear about it.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803714 - 01/21/16 10:18 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I don't need an exhaust fan in the room?
Let me get this straight. I will grow in a tent that will be inside the room.
The tent will have a passive air in hole and an exhaust fan with a carbon filter attach. That exhaust fan will expel all the used/stale air out into the ROOM. Then how the room will expel that used air out of the room? Will I also need to have a exhaust fan in the room for doing that? And a Inline fan for injecting new air into the room? And then how the air condition will cool with all the Air exchange happening?
I just don't get it.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803715 - 01/21/16 10:19 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just some quick advice though...that may be obvious for some but not for others.
IF you do decide to go with a MH and HPS bulb make sure to get a good ballast.
The last thing you want is to get some cheap setup like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/250w-HPS-MH-Grow-Light-Kit-Dimmable-Digital-Ballast-27x18-Adjust-Wing-Reflector-/381429074832?hash=item58cef1cb90&rmvSB=true
Galaxy is a good brand, they're the one I'll probably be going with. And remember how I said something earlier in my first post about having a ballast that switches wats? Make sure you have the right ballast for the right light.
Do not try to stick a 1000W light bulb in a 600W ballast.
Again, this is probably obvious but I'd hate to have your next post be about how you caught your apartment on fire...if we had the chance to hear about it.
http://supercloset.com/product-category/grow-rooms/ I will buy a whole kit of that website. They have everything high quality, the carbon filters and everything really.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803718 - 01/21/16 10:24 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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 That's why you're supposed to expel the air OUT of the room in the first place. You don't need an exhaust in the room your tent is in normally because it exhausts through your tent. You just need a source of fresh air coming into that room.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803719 - 01/21/16 10:25 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also this, please help me to understand it cause it giving me headaches.
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So I don't need an exhaust fan in the room?
Let me get this straight. I will grow in a tent that will be inside the room.
The tent will have a passive air in hole and an exhaust fan with a carbon filter attach. That exhaust fan will expel all the used/stale air out into the ROOM. Then how the room will expel that used air out of the room? Will I also need to have a exhaust fan in the room for doing that? And a Inline fan for injecting new air into the room? And then how the air condition will cool with all the Air exchange happening?
I just don't get it.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803720 - 01/21/16 10:26 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's why you're supposed to expel the air OUT of the room in the first place. You don't need an exhaust in the room your tent is in normally because it exhausts through your tent. You just need a source of fresh air coming into that room.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803721 - 01/21/16 10:28 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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No.
Okay check it out
LIGHT -> (DUCT HOSE1) -> [CARBON FILTER] -> INLINE FAN -> (DUCT HOSE2) ->
You have DUCT HOSE1 to give you a little distance from your LIGHT and the CARBON FILTER. you don't want the CARBON FILTER touching* the LIGHT.
The INLINE FAN (which is in your tent) will connect to DUCT HOSE2.
DUCT HOSE2 is going to be long enough to stretch out of a hole in your tent up into a hole in the ceiling of your room. The air will run from the LIGHT, into DUCT HOSE1, into the CARBON FILTER to filter out the smell, into the INLINE FAN, and then through DUCT HOSE2 into the ceiling of your room. It will go into that attic space and that air will be disposed of.
Meanwhile, you will have another fan (just a regular good fan, not an inline fan) blowing air from your room into the tent.
EDIT: You do want DUCT HOSE1 close to your light, you just don't want it touching the light.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803722 - 01/21/16 10:29 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's why you're supposed to expel the air OUT of the room in the first place. You don't need an exhaust in the room your tent is in normally because it exhausts through your tent. You just need a source of fresh air coming into that room.
Isn't some A/C's have like double hose? 1 for injecting fresh air and another one to exhaust hot stale air out? That would be like better than using a air conditioner than only cool the air inside without air exchanging any air at all.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803723 - 01/21/16 10:32 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's why you're supposed to expel the air OUT of the room in the first place. You don't need an exhaust in the room your tent is in normally because it exhausts through your tent. You just need a source of fresh air coming into that room.
Isn't some A/C's have like double hose? 1 for injecting fresh air and another one to exhaust hot stale air out? That would be like better than using a air conditioner than only cool the air inside without air exchanging any air at all.
I have no idea. If they do that would be a good option but you might have to make 2 holes in the wall then 
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803725 - 01/21/16 10:36 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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And just so we're clear, DUCT HOSE1 connects to the LIGHT like this
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803726 - 01/21/16 10:47 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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And just so we're clear, DUCT HOSE1 connects to the LIGHT like this
That's why i want LED lighting, i don't like octopuses in my grow tent. You don't need to have all that hoses inside the tent from what I understand.
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I have no idea. If they do that would be a good option but you might have to make 2 holes in the wall then
I think they do Air exchange. But it will be enough?
"Dual Hose Air Conditioning Units
Dual Hose Portable Air Conditioner
The other type of portable air conditioning unit is the dual hose unit. This model has a couple of intakes and one outtake hose. Through the intake, air is drawn into the unit where it is cooled and then sent back into the area. The machine heats up through the process and an intake hose pulls air from outside the home to cool the air conditioner down.
A second hose sends all of the warmed air outside of the home. With this efficient exchange of air, the dual hose system doesn’t have to work nearly as hard as the single hose option.
For larger spaces, the dual hose A/C unit is a better choice.
The dual hose machine eliminates the negative air pressure problem, but also costs a bit more.
This air conditioner operates more quickly than the other and also requires more electricity.
Compare BTU and EER ratings, as well as manufacturing quality to determine which of the models are most appropriate for your setting."Quote:
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803727 - 01/21/16 10:54 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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That might solve your temperature and air ventilation problem at the same time I think. Is it a AC/Dehumidifier? I'm still a noob so I'm not sure if that would be enough, but it's better than nothing!
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803728 - 01/21/16 10:55 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would definitely wait to buy something like that though until someone more knowledgeable chimes in.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803729 - 01/21/16 10:57 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's why i want LED lighting, i don't like octopuses in my grow tent. You don't need to have all that hoses inside the tent from what I understand.
It's literally one hose...except for DUCT HOSE1 which is like a 4 inch piece of duct...That's like 10 minutes to set up
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803730 - 01/21/16 11:07 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's why i want LED lighting, i don't like octopuses in my grow tent. You don't need to have all that hoses inside the tent from what I understand.
It's literally one hose...except for DUCT HOSE1 which is like a 4 inch piece of duct...That's like 10 minutes to set up
Yeah man but with the temp problems and if the double hose portable air conditioner may solve my problems of air exchange but maybe it won't cool like I would have wanted so LED light may be what I need.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803731 - 01/21/16 11:21 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nah man.
Get a portable air conditioner, no hole needed.
You only need one hole for the duct hose going out from the inline fan.
You'll have a regular fan blowing in fresh air (from the room) into the bottom of the tent.
You'll have your inline fan blowing from the top of your tent into a duct hose that leads to I'm guessing the ceiling.
You'll have the air conditioner blowing when needed to keep the ideal temperature.
No intake fan is needed.
The inline exhaust fan will pull fresh air in the intake passively.
The AC can just go in the room with the tent not in the tent.
So the tent only needs two holes, one for exhaust, which should go outside the room the tent is in at least. And a intake hole for fresh air to enter the tent, this can come from the room the tent is in, tho personally I'd want fresh air from outside. The cool air in the room would be fine.
But that exhaust needs to get away from that tent period.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Stoneth]
#803734 - 01/21/16 11:26 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nah man.
Get a portable air conditioner, no hole needed.
You only need one hole for the duct hose going out from the inline fan.
You'll have a regular fan blowing in fresh air (from the room) into the bottom of the tent.
You'll have your inline fan blowing from the top of your tent into a duct hose that leads to I'm guessing the ceiling.
You'll have the air conditioner blowing when needed to keep the ideal temperature.
No intake fan is needed.
The inline exhaust fan will pull fresh air in the intake passively.
The AC can just go in the room with the tent not in the tent.
So the tent only needs two holes, one for exhaust, which should go outside the room the tent is in at least. And a intake hole for fresh air to enter the tent, this can come from the room the tent is in, tho personally I'd want fresh air from outside. The cool air in the room would be fine.
But that exhaust needs to get away from that tent period.
Yeah but the intake fan would make the ventilation that much better. That wind circulating around the plants makes em strong and helps discourage mold.
I guess you don't HAVE to have it but it just makes sense to me to have one.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803738 - 01/21/16 11:33 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not really.
As for air circulation inside the tent we recommend ocasulating fan or fans in the room with plants.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Stoneth]
#803739 - 01/21/16 11:35 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh that makes sense. So you'd still want an osculating fan then?
With the tent open a bit or the intake air and the inline blowing out or the exhaust?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803741 - 01/21/16 11:38 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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So having a inlet fan to provide fresh air to the ROOM (not tent, tent have its own passive inlet and active exhaust fan) is really the only hole I need in the room and the air conditioner hole. That inlet fan of the room, how much time should be on? It should be injecting fresh air continuously or with a timer?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803743 - 01/21/16 11:42 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm turning my fans off when the lights go off.
I'll probably have them hooked up to a temperature control such as this one in case it gets too hot at night.
http://www.amazon.com/Inkbird-Itc-308-Temperature-Controller-Thermostat/dp/B011296704/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1453401623&sr=8-3&keywords=temperature+control
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803744 - 01/21/16 11:44 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Although that one does one plugin for heating and one for cooling.
You'd probably want one like this so you could turn on both fans.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01486LZ50
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803745 - 01/21/16 11:46 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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So this is the room i have
I have mushroom growing stuff inside that room but don't pay attention to that. So that wall (the wall to the left of the door in the first pic with the electric plug) is the only wall available to make holes. The walls inside the room are neighbors walls.
Is a 4.5x9 FT with 8.5FT of height. Very strong room, concrete walls.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803747 - 01/21/16 11:50 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is that a glove box?
How do you get your syringe in and out to sterilize it?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803748 - 01/21/16 11:51 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is that thing in plastic a fruiting chamber?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803749 - 01/21/16 11:55 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is a SAB (still air box) not a glovebox. Glovebox are not the right tool for mycology really. The room now look like this, That SAB is no longer there, i have a laminar flow hood now in that room. But if i grow weed that for me is more important, i will change the hood to another room.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803750 - 01/21/16 11:56 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is that thing in plastic a fruiting chamber?
Lol yeah, now it looks like this in another room 
This is another room I have, I have 2 rooms in total for my myco stuff. But for me, Growing weed has become a necessity. So I'm willing to pause the mycowork to grow weed.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803752 - 01/21/16 12:00 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wait is that for monotubs? If it is do you keep it humid at all times? How do you introduce FAE?
And what kind of fan did you use for your Laminar Flow hood?
Lol sorry to change the subject.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803753 - 01/21/16 12:01 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's just a plastic container with a humidifier hooked up to a humidity control? Is that really all it takes?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803754 - 01/21/16 12:01 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude the plugs come out of the arm holes
Damn that room is smaller than some tents lol! I would just turn one of those rooms into a grow room and ditch the tent. You are
going to have to find a way to exhaust out of there though definitely.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803755 - 01/21/16 12:02 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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And that's a greenhouse aka martha.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803756 - 01/21/16 12:04 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude the plugs come out of the arm holes
Obviously. lol
I just normally see those on glove boxes. I knew he was supposed to be using a SAB which is why I asked 
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803758 - 01/21/16 12:06 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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And that's a greenhouse aka martha.
Not much difference between that and a fruiting chamber.
Thanks for your infinite use of knowledge
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803759 - 01/21/16 12:11 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I still use my SAB. My hood is not working properly anyway i have to change the filter, I had an accident in the hood room, I forgot dry grain in a mason jar and went on vacations for 2 months, when i got back i had bugs shitting yellow excrement in all the surfaces of the room including the inside hood.
This is a post i made on shroomery asking for help but my hood is fucked anyway, my success rate is 70% when it should be 99%.
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I accidentally leave inside my clean room a open bottle of dry grains. Went to visit Canada, 2 months later came back home and found literally yellow shit of bugs, and the jar with grains was Ewww you don't even want to see it or smell it..
Corps of death bugs everywhere and yellow shit on all the surfaces and tables of the clean room. The yellow shit looks like dust, I'm afraid to have that yellow shit dust inside my flowhood. I'm pretty sure there is that shit inside my hood. (Inside i mean, on the laminar sheets of the hood)
What can i do? I already started to clean all the room again, but the flowhood? Help.
This is the shit i have in my not anymore cleaned room
   
Did i fucked my hood?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803760 - 01/21/16 12:14 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's just a plastic container with a humidifier hooked up to a humidity control? Is that really all it takes?
The humidifier gives FAE also and humidity. Both. But i also have on top a ultrasonic humidifier you just don't see it on the image. The humidifier that is on the bottom i just use it for FAE on a timer. The one on top is on a humidity controller.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803761 - 01/21/16 12:18 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wait is that for monotubs? If it is do you keep it humid at all times? How do you introduce FAE?
And what kind of fan did you use for your Laminar Flow hood?
Lol sorry to change the subject.
I really powerful fan i guess, i bought the hood on www.fungi.com
I also do monotubs, Greenhouse (aka martha), Shotgun fruiting chambers, Open air Fruiting (no fruiting chamber required).
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803762 - 01/21/16 12:24 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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just turn one of those rooms into a grow room and ditch the tent. You are
going to have to find a way to exhaust out of there though definitely.
I thought about that, but the carbon filter for the exhaust fan should be really good cause I don't want any odor at all. Does the best Carbon filter can truly eliminate the smell?
Edit: I really just want to have a few plants just for my consumption, i'm not planning to have a whole grow room operation. Just enough weed for me and my brother for the whole year. My consumption is like 13 ounces per year and my brother is less like 10.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803764 - 01/21/16 12:36 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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And that's a greenhouse aka martha.
Not much difference between that and a fruiting chamber.
Thanks for your infinite use of knowledge
It is a fruiting chamber 
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#803765 - 01/21/16 12:39 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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The humidifier gives FAE also and humidity. Both.
Can you explain?
And you run the bottom humidifier for FAE and the top humidifier for humidity? At the same time?
I was planning on just doing open container with a horse poo substrate. Leaving the lid closed while it colonized and just opening it when they were ready to fruit. That is how you do it right?Quote:
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And that's a greenhouse aka martha.
Not much difference between that and a fruiting chamber.
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It is a fruiting chamber
I have a lot to learn 
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803767 - 01/21/16 12:57 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have mine exhausting into the back part of my basement through the ceiling, which is the only part connected to the other side. Can't smell anything.
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Can you explain?
And you run the bottom humidifier for FAE and the top humidifier for humidity? At the same time?
I was planning on just doing open container with a horse poo substrate. Leaving the lid closed while it colonized and just opening it when they were ready to fruit. That is how you do it right?
You don't need a martha. In fact, don't do that. To complicated and won't outperform a monotub. If you want to grow cubensis just make a monotub or do Open Air fruiting. Marthas are more for exotic and edible species like Shiitake.
Monotub: You mix your spawn (colonized grain) with your pasteurized horse manure bulk substrate. A common bulk substrate is 20% vermiculite, 5% Gypsum and 75% horse manure. Then you mix your Spawn with your pastuerized horse manure in a container, close the lid of the container until it reaches to full colonization. The container, in this case is a monotub, the holes of the monotub are taped while it is colonizing. Once it reaches full colonization, you Untape the holes and stuff polyfill and just let it fruit.
Open air Fruiting: Mix your spawn with your pasteurized bulk substrate in an aluminium tray or whatever, cover with foil while it colonizes, poke some holes for Gas Exchange. Once it reaches to full colonization, take the foil out and apply a Casing layer. Open air fruiting is posibble because the casing layer, without the casing layer is not reliable. You just have to take care that the casing layer won't dry and mist it regularly. There's no need for a fruiting chamber, everyone is like... FRUITING CHAMBERS MUST HAVE 99% air humidity. That's not true, the humidity that matters is the surface humidity where the casing layer is. The surface is where the mushrooms pop out, you don't need environmental humidity really, just surface humidity and FAE. And well Open air have infinite FAE lol.
These were fruited in open air. Is the third flush. So as long as the casing layer is nice and wet you will have 99.99999999999999% humidity at the surface level where it matters.
A monotub don't need a casing layer but because inside the monotub there is 99% of humidity so the surface won't dry as fast like in open air. For open air Casings are necessary.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
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Can you explain?
And you run the bottom humidifier for FAE and the top humidifier for humidity? At the same time?
I was planning on just doing open container with a horse poo substrate. Leaving the lid closed while it colonized and just opening it when they were ready to fruit. That is how you do it right?
You don't need a martha. In fact, don't do that. To complicated and won't outperform a monotub. If you want to grow cubensis just make a monotub or do Open Air fruiting. Marthas are more for exotic and edible species like Shiitake.
Monotub: You mix your spawn (colonized grain) with your pasteurized horse manure bulk substrate. A common bulk substrate is 20% vermiculite, 5% Gypsum and 75% horse manure. Then you mix your Spawn with your pastuerized horse manure in a container, close the lid of the container until it reaches to full colonization. The container, in this case is a monotub, the holes of the monotub are taped while it is colonizing. Once it reaches full colonization, you Untape the holes and stuff polyfill and just let it fruit.
Open air Fruiting: Mix your spawn with your pasteurized bulk substrate in an aluminium tray or whatever, cover with foil while it colonizes, poke some holes for Gas Exchange. Once it reaches to full colonization, take the foil out and apply a Casing layer. Open air fruiting is posibble because the casing layer, without the casing layer is not reliable. You just have to take care that the casing layer won't dry and mist it regularly. There's no need for a fruiting chamber, everyone is like... FRUITING CHAMBERS MUST HAVE 99% air humidity. That's not true, the humidity that matters is the surface humidity where the casing layer is. The surface is where the mushrooms pop out, you don't need environmental humidity really, just surface humidity and FAE. And well Open air have infinite FAE lol.
These were fruited in open air. Is the third flush. So as long as the casing layer is nice and wet you will have 99.99999999999999% humidity at the surface level where it matters.
A monotub don't need a casing layer but because inside the monotub there is 99% of humidity so the surface won't dry as fast like in open air. For open air Casings are necessary.
Nice, thanks. So do you need to mist a monotub or anything? I'm assuming you have to fan it?
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Wish mah poo would dry 
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You can mist the monotub but monotubs suppose to be set and forget. You replenish the moisture loss after the second or third flush. If your monotub was dialed in correctly you don't have to mist at all until several flushes. If you have to replenish moisture before the second flush is because maybe you didn't water your bulk substrate properly pre-pasteurization or you let too much FAE get into the monotub. Or something of that sort.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803798 - 01/21/16 05:48 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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So, I spoke with the supercloset.com guy and he told the same, that I would need a 8" inlet fan for the room and an air conditioner and the tent inside.
But that inlet fan I don't think it has to be 24 hrs on. And I have another room, same size, same just a door no windows, but I have an Air conditioner pointing directly to that room if the door is open. And that room is in my bedroom, if someone is coming like my nephews or etc, I just close it and the plants will have a little of stale air for a while, but that's ok right? If i grow in that room I literally will just have to leave the door open. MY bedroom along with the room is like 80 square feet. MY Bed room have big windows, i think there will be a lot of fresh air exchange happening there. And the air conditioner is pointing directly to that room.
This is the other room
Air conditioner pointing right in front
Second room
And I'm just thinking in just buying one of these grow cabinets http://supercloset.com/product/grow-boxes/superflower-led-grow-cabinet/ and put it in my bedroom, they don't look like if I'm growing plants like a growing tent looks. I can't put it my bedroom, If the temperature is fine for me is fine for the plants too. Big windows in my bedroom, i can just open them 1 a day and turn on fans.
I really just need weed for my consumption.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803813 - 01/21/16 07:30 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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The LED "heat" myth...
Its not just "More heat" from an HPS, its radiant infra-red heat being projected on every surface of your plants, walls and equipment. The plant then needs to be in a much cooler environment(temps in the 70's) so that the plant tissue can sit at an optimal temperature (like at the equator, temps in the 80's). The temperature differential drives the plants to cool off. The "light/heat" has to hit your equipment and plants before the energy it projected can be dissipated and exhausted. Some people use more energy to
With LED you just suck off the excess heat off the top, cutting out a lot of useless energy transfer on the plant surface. They're more gentler on the plants that way, and I believe that is why people are seeing a 1-3% increase in THC and a more developed terpene profile.
For a 4x4 area I'd recommend the XML650... 650watts equivalent to a 1000wHPS.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803814 - 01/21/16 07:38 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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But yeah, a portable A/C will probably be necessary with or without the MH and HPS lights if it stays at about 85 - 90 in your house. You want them around 78 if you can.
Not with LED, you want your LED garden more like the equator in the mid 80's. I bought a portable air conditioner for my house fir when it got over 100 for a few days every few weeks in the summer. The problem was that my house was so hot that I used my A/C for my benefit and let the plants deal with the elements. The plants do so well under LED that they would get up to 104 some days with no problems. A few people I knew couldn't grow in the summer time because they didn't have a good enough air conditioner or ventilation.
HPS would cost a lot more to the HPS growers if they factored in all the excess cooling they need to run the damn thing. They seem to neglect the fact that their 1000w is more like 2000w when you consider the A/C.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803819 - 01/21/16 08:22 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't need circulation. You need ventilation.
WOAH WOAH WOAH... BULLSHIT!!!!!!
Air circulation around the plants is critical.
The plants suck up all the available CO2 within a few seconds, if you don't keep the air moving around the leaf zone they sit in stale air and stop growing within 30 seconds or so.
You create a "No Fly Zone" that makes it hard for small insects to fly through, which cuts feeding and breeding cycles.
You reduce the amount of powder mildew by keeping the air in the damp corners of the plant ventilated and exchanged.
Air circulation is key to plant happiness. Keep fans under the plants so that there is airflow under the canopy as well, not just on the tops.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803820 - 01/21/16 08:44 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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seriously, 5 pages of replies.... this post is a lot of work..
For ventilation the best way I found was this:
My 4x4 next to the veg tent had an 8" booster between it and the 4x8 flower tent, constantly flowing to keep new air in both tents. both tents were in a 12x12 room that had attic access in the closet.
The 8" exhaust fan was set to blow out the bedroom window because the HUMIDITY kills the entire house when blown inside. I taped the window off with plastic to only blow OUT the window. Inside that exhaust fan, just after it I had a small ozone generator that would kick on when the fan did--which was controlled by a temp/humidity controller.
In the summer time I would open the bedroom door and passively suck air through my house into the bedroom, which routed through the grow tents and out the door. I couldn't use the A/C those days in the house, but it was the best option. The ozone generator was key for smell, as the carbon won't cut it and they go bad with no indication as to when. A cop let me know he could smell my plants around the apartment complex when using just carbon. I solved it with ozone.
In the winter I would close my bedroom off and seal the bottom with a towel. Then I would prop open the attic door to suck through the attic so I didn't have to waste my house's heat. If I tried to use the attic in the summer the air coming would be WAY too hot even at night after a few hours of sucking air through it.
It took me awhile to figure out that ideal ventilation strategy, but I think its the best to have a continuous flow of fresh air while exhausting the "used" air. Exhaust your garden's air outside or deal with the humidity and occasional sweating walls throughout the house. My toilet constantly had a huge puddle of water around it because the cold tank would condense the water out of the air. Its really hard to sleep in the tropics sometimes too, I woke up sweating like in a sauna a few times.
Get an ozone generator and long enough vent so that the ozone dissipates before it exits the vent and you'll have no problems.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: phychotron]
#803823 - 01/21/16 08:51 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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One thing I was going to mention is that the Kind LED's look exactly like the GrowBlu and I think there might be one or two more of those replicas out there. Growblu worked well for me, but it had 14 of 16 modules break a diode within the first year. I had just replaced the modules under warranty last summer before selling it. The GrowBlu website is down and looks like they're out of the game. The reason most likely being that he could not keep up with warranty costs. If the rest of his fixtures were like mine they would have all had at least a few diodes pop within a year or two.
You can't just go cheap and get a generic production line LED if you want the best results. That's the feeling I get with Kind, that they're just pumping them out with the latest generic technology and they're getting better than they were, but not up to the standards you'd expect when spending that much cash on one.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
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Holes in the ceiling are not a option either lol.
No actually it is. Cut an appropriate sized round hole, save that round piece. When its time to put it back you take a strip of wood longer than the hole, put that in the attic and screw the round piece to the wood to set it back up there in place. Then get some plaster and go around it. Viola, hole's fixed. It'll be easier to hide if you have the 'flocked' ceiling with all that crap hanging down. That way you can re-create that look with plaster.
If you have an apartment inspection just keep a bunch of shit piled up in that area to cover any evidence.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: phychotron]
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You don't need circulation. You need ventilation.
WOAH WOAH WOAH... BULLSHIT!!!!!!
Air circulation around the plants is critical.
The plants suck up all the available CO2 within a few seconds, if you don't keep the air moving around the leaf zone they sit in stale air and stop growing within 30 seconds or so.
You create a "No Fly Zone" that makes it hard for small insects to fly through, which cuts feeding and breeding cycles.
You reduce the amount of powder mildew by keeping the air in the damp corners of the plant ventilated and exchanged.
Air circulation is key to plant happiness. Keep fans under the plants so that there is airflow under the canopy as well, not just on the tops.
Ventilation is circulation imo
But thanks for clarifying all of that even tho I already said I really had no experience, just bouncing ideas off.....even tho I didn't read half of what you typed 
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
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You don't need circulation. You need ventilation.
WOAH WOAH WOAH... BULLSHIT!!!!!!
Air circulation around the plants is critical.
The plants suck up all the available CO2 within a few seconds, if you don't keep the air moving around the leaf zone they sit in stale air and stop growing within 30 seconds or so.
You create a "No Fly Zone" that makes it hard for small insects to fly through, which cuts feeding and breeding cycles.
You reduce the amount of powder mildew by keeping the air in the damp corners of the plant ventilated and exchanged.
Air circulation is key to plant happiness. Keep fans under the plants so that there is airflow under the canopy as well, not just on the tops.
Ventilation is circulation imo
But thanks for clarifying all of that even tho I already said I really had no experience, just bouncing ideas off.....even tho I didn't read half of what you typed
Maybe you should read what he typed since you yourself said you have no experience.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803853 - 01/22/16 09:23 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm reading plenty on the subject, trust me. I'm not just sitting around thinking I have it all figured out. This (and mushroom cultivation) is a very interesting topic that I enjoyed reading about before I ever even thought I would ever grow either one.
I read what he said about the lights...and it's really, in my opinion, just what you want to look at. Yeah, that makes sense to an extent..but I just don't agree with everything. First off, there are plenty of HPS lights that give off a blue spectrum as well, such as the one I linked earlier in the post..
http://www.eyehortilux.com/products/high-pressure-sodium#shps
As far as him telling me an air conditioner isn't needed, thank you SO much for telling me that. It was so helpful
I'd still have an A/C available.
They get a 1-3% increase in THC? WHOA there buddy, that's INSANE! 
link pls?
And that's about where I stopped reading
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803854 - 01/22/16 09:28 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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The argument for LED vs HID goes on plenty. I'm not interested in arguing on which is better, I was just giving my opinion that I wouldn't mess with LED's personally. It looks to me like he's just going through this post looking at everything I posted and throwing whatever information he can spew up to say absolutely everything I had to say was wrong.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803856 - 01/22/16 09:29 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol for how much I grow I don't care about the fancy lights and shit. My temps are under control so give me an HPS and call it a day.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803858 - 01/22/16 09:51 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have a ozone generator of 7000 ozone units. Which is a lot. Can anyone tell me if this is viable?
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And I'm just thinking in just buying one of these grow cabinets http://supercloset.com/product/grow-boxes/superflower-led-grow-cabinet/ and put it in my bedroom, they don't look like if I'm growing plants like a growing tent looks. I can't put it my bedroom, If the temperature is fine for me is fine for the plants too. Big windows in my bedroom, i can just open them 1 a day and turn on fans.
I really just need weed for my consumption.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
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First off, there are plenty of HPS lights that give off a blue spectrum as well, such as the one I linked earlier in the post..
They get a 1-3% increase in THC? WHOA there buddy, that's INSANE!
link pls?
And that's about where I stopped reading
This is a THERMAL image of two closed tents, nothing about having more blue light in the LED.
Here's a video of the lab results from a side by side. Others have noted it in the past and this guy put a video together, you can follow the entire grow log if you want.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803882 - 01/22/16 06:02 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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SO i was told that air exchange is not that important like in mushrooms growing, that i can open the door once in a while to exchange the air of the room. Not that big deal, i don't need a inlet fan if i manually air exchange the room air everyday.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
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Tell that to the mold that'll be on your plants
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#803939 - 01/23/16 10:09 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tell me why mold would grow in my plants if I manually exchange the air of my room. I know what conditions mold grows. I also have a dehumidifier, you can control mold by watching the RH never go above 50%.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803940 - 01/23/16 10:22 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll just quote this guy who answered a different question for me on the Shroomery.
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Ventilation is key to producing good buds and you want a high powered fan to change the whole room's volume in less than 5 minutes on a big carbon filter. Such fans are powerful (therefore really noisy) to exchange such volumes and pull through the carbon. So when you drywall the room put in sound insulation and in the ceiling too. Sound insulation looks like rockwool slabs. Hand saw cut with a carpenter saw. Build a door with an extra depth to take sound insulation. Run rubber strip on the door jamb so gaps are sealed to stop noise. You want no noise leak at all to be heard outside the grow from fans. Test by checking sound at 4 am when it is dead quiet outside!
If you opt to an NFT table (and you should as they rock) take advantage of the gaps between the channels. Go get some 10 inch PVC pipe and cut slits on one side, bung an end cap on one end and a fan to blow into the pipe on the other end. Place this under the table on a frame to blow air up through the crop. Add in corner fans too to blow air over the crop canopy.
I can't stress enough the importance of air movement and room exchange as critical to good bud. Too many grows have insufficient ambient movement and extraction. Poor airflow will result in mold all over your buds in the last 2-3 weeks as they go into calyx swell. Avoid by having big airflow.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803941 - 01/23/16 10:59 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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It says poor airflow will result in mold, which means like air circulation inside the tent. The air circulation will be fine inside the tent. Room air exchange will be done manually. Besides, I will keep the door open most of the time and the air conditioner will point directly to the room where the grow tent is.
This is what a Trusted cultivator in shroomery told me and he also grows weed not just mushrooms.
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The guys on growery say that I can't have like a tent inside a room with air conditioner. That i need to exchange stale air for new air too, like with mushrooms. So that I need an inlet fan in the room. Ok, I can't make an inlet fan hole in the room, it just looks more suspicious and I have little nephews coming to my room and playing xbox and shit, girls comes too and friends.
So, I have this room that is in my Bedroom. Is empty.
Air conditioner pointing right in front of the empty room
the room
My bedroom is really big and has big windows
Can I just put the growing tent in that room with the door open and the air conditioner pointing at the room? Then for air exchange i just open the windows a few time per day and turn on the ceiling fans. Then if i just have a visit a little nephew or something i just close the door of the room until he's gone.
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Can I just put the growing tent in that room with the door open and the air conditioner pointing at the room?
for sure 
I put a tent in a room with one window with a/c in the window.. as long as the temps are effected by the a/c you can put it where ever you want
the air exchange thing is easily handled by opening the door to the room every so often..
thats how I grew for the 1st 2 years with soil buckets 
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803947 - 01/23/16 01:46 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can get by with less ventilation if you have a small tent in a room that are left open, sure, but its no where near ideal. You want fresh carbon dioxide pumping into the room the plants are in. Plus the humidity spikes when you exhaust into your input.
Using a room as a lung can be tricky. It might work now that its winter, but come summer you'll probably have to rearrange some stuff.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: phychotron]
#803954 - 01/23/16 03:07 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You want fresh carbon dioxide pumping into the room the plants are in.
What do you mean by that? Like having a c02 tank? Or you mean the fresh air coming from the exterior that is full with c02.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803989 - 01/23/16 06:48 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fresh air contains more CO2 than air that the plants have used.
Plants are mostly carbon, they get it from the air, not through the roots.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: phychotron]
#804028 - 01/23/16 08:49 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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If i want to put a Inlet fan on the roof, how i would do it? With all the rain and humidity that could enter the room from there? Also it will need a filter for all the dust and shit that may enter to the room.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#804032 - 01/23/16 09:10 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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How did you go from thinking that putting a hole in your ceiling was a bad idea to wanting to cut all the way to the roof?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: phychotron]
#804033 - 01/23/16 09:14 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fresh air contains more CO2 than air that the plants have used.
Plants are mostly carbon, they get it from the air, not through the roots.
Oh wait, if spend c02 is the problem and that i will need fresh new air so new c02 comes in. Why not using a c02 tank or c02 generator so I can make a Sealed room design? I?m just reading about sealed room designs and they use c02 tanks.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#804034 - 01/23/16 09:15 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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How did you go from thinking that putting a hole in your ceiling was a bad idea to wanting to cut all the way to the roof?
Because is the only way. And i'm just reading that i can have a sealed grow room design with c02 generators.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#804035 - 01/23/16 09:28 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah dudes, i think c02 tank in a sealed room is the solution.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#804036 - 01/23/16 09:43 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You'll need to control the humidity and temperature in a sealed room. Even with LED a sealed room will heat up.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: phychotron]
#804037 - 01/23/16 09:48 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You'll need to control the humidity and temperature in a sealed room. Even with LED a sealed room will heat up.
I have a dehumidifier that i don't use, I can put a Mini split AC Inside that room too.
I will need a c02 tank, c02 regulator, c02 controller or timer , A/C. And all the tent kid and stuff.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#804039 - 01/23/16 10:04 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#804140 - 01/24/16 01:11 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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What does that mean? lol.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#804157 - 01/24/16 04:22 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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idk I guess just let me know how it goes lol
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#804163 - 01/24/16 06:41 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm just reading that having 1200 ppm of c02 in the room you don't even need air conditioner because with that level of c02 the plants hold high temp better. And i will have Led lighting so..
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