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 Kush_Zombie
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 Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights.  [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803666 - 01/21/16 08:09 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd recommend staying away from LED's period...but I have no first hand experience with growing plants, only research that I've done.
I personally plan on using tube lights for the germinating stage (until I get to the point where I start cloning of course).
From there I will do the Screen of Green Method using a Metal Halide (MH) bulb for the vegetative stage and then I'll be switching to a High Pressure Sodium (HPS) light for the flowering stage.
I'd be wanting a 600W MH bulb and a 1000W HPS because the room I'll be using is 4x4. You want 50W per square foot for the flowering stage...
My room is 4x4. so 4 times 4 = 16
16 x 50 (because you want 50 wats per square foot) = 800
So therefore I would want an 800W HPS light (but the light I want, the one I linked you, jumps from 600W to 1000W so I'd want the 1000W one and I could hook it up to a dimmer if I wanted to...or just use it as 1000W).
And if I understand it correctly, the MH light for the vegetative stage can be a little less which is why I'd be getting a 600W MH light instead of a 1000W one (save electricity and whatnot since I'll be having the vegetative light on close to 24 hours a day)
Your room is 2x4. 2 times 4 = 8
8 x 50 = 400
If I were you personally, I would get a 400W HPS and a 250W MH light and just leave it at that.
They have ballasts that switch between 400W and 250W so you'd only need one ballast. If you did a Screen of Green you wouldn't want to go through the trouble of moving your vegetative plants to a whole other flowering room anyways. You could just switch your ballast to 250W, put in your MH bulb during the vegetative stage, and then when it's time to switch over all you'd have to do is flip the switch to 400W and change out your MH bulb to a HPS bulb and you're golden.
Like I said, I have no first hand experience, but I really wouldn't go through the trouble of an LED light...
From what I've seen, any LED light that's actually worth having is going to cost you out the ass...With that money you could just get a MH and HPS light setup AND pay for the electric bill for a couple of grows.
MH and HPS light doesn't use as much electricity as most people think it does as explained in this post https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/50049/fpart/1/vc/1
And from what I understand, you'd have a way better yield.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803668 - 01/21/16 08:17 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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If money isn't an issue then I don't see why you don't just put good ventilation with it and get the most out of your yield and quality 
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803670 - 01/21/16 08:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ventilation will DEFINITELY help if you do it right.
Have a fan blowing in fresh air to your plants at the bottom of the room and then set up an inline fan with a carbon filter and a piece of duct hose hooked up to it shooting out into the attic or out of the house. That will help a lot with keeping the smell down and all the heat from your lights are going straight to the inline fan and out of the room.
http://www.amazon.com/iPower-GLFANXINL4FILT4MD8C-4-Inch-Inline-Ducting/dp/B00D7M6692/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8
This would probably be a good one for that size of a room.
But yeah, a portable A/C will probably be necessary with or without the MH and HPS lights if it stays at about 85 - 90 in your house. You want them around 78 if you can.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803672 - 01/21/16 08:53 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah, I see your issue now. It would still help with the smell significantly because it would be going through the carbon filter as opposed to just smelling up your house in the tent. You could have a fan blowing from the opening of the tent and if you're feeling like fucking with it you can cut a hole big enough for your duct to stick out of your tent at the top of the opposite end and just glue or silicone the hole in the tent to your air duct so its sealed there and you don't have any unnecessary openings.
You'd get lots of fresh air with it circulating into the tent and back out into your room through the carbon filter. Just a thought.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803674 - 01/21/16 09:02 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Probably a dumb idea if your buildings are connected....but do you think it would be worth it to pop a hole in the ceiling and just shoot the exhaust hose into the attic?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803675 - 01/21/16 09:03 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe if you had like a $200 carbon filter or something? lol
(not including the price of the inline fan and exhaust hose.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803679 - 01/21/16 09:11 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's why I was saying to use a PORTABLE air conditioner instead of a wall air conditioner. It's basically like an electric heater...except with cold air lol. I'm trying to do everything in the basement so the wall isn't really an option for me either.
Also, I think LED lights would solve your temperature problem (which would be solvable anyways)...but it doesn't solve your ventilation problem. Your plants are still going to produce that humidity and carbon dioxide with or without an LED
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803682 - 01/21/16 09:28 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien said:
I still thinking how I'm going to put an A/C in that room if I can't make any holes for the AC tubes.
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Kush_Zombie said:
That's why I was saying to use a PORTABLE air conditioner instead of a wall air conditioner.
I thought he was asking how to cut a hole in the wall for an air conditioner, didn't realize he was talking about where to stick the exhaust hose.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Stoneth]
#803685 - 01/21/16 09:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Geeeeeeeez that's $1200 here http://advancedledlights.com/3w-led-grow-lights/xte-series-led-grow-light-usa-made-5w-leds/
So why isn't cutting into the ceiling an option out of curiosity? It's not like the board on your ceiling is also the floor of the people above you. There's some space in there lol
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803689 - 01/21/16 09:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't need circulation. You need ventilation.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803694 - 01/21/16 09:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rain? You're not sticking it out of the roof, you're jut poking it above the ceiling. Like an inch or so and just seal between the hose and the ceiling.
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Also my house is old and the walls and ceilings are HARD as fuck. Hard like stones.
Trust me, there's tools to cut it with.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803698 - 01/21/16 09:48 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moving the same air around the room is just circulation. you need fresh air coming in and old air going out for it to be ventilation. Scribbler explained it earlier.
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Running the exhaust into the same room is only going to make it that much hotter and it's gunna reeeek. Exhausted air is used/spent/humid air and pulling that back through your tent as fresh air isn't ideal at all.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Stoneth]
#803700 - 01/21/16 09:50 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stoneth said:
If he doesn't own the place cutting holes in the place may not be wise.
Very true. My thought on it was that if your plants came through like they were supposed to then when you're ready to take everything down you'll have no problem paying for the supplies needed to fix the ceiling real quick.
Unless you got busted...in which case who cares about the hole in the ceiling?
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803704 - 01/21/16 09:57 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ye that's what I was telling him. Quote him, not me lol
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Scribbler]
#803706 - 01/21/16 10:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803709 - 01/21/16 10:04 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah man.
Get a portable air conditioner, no hole needed.
You only need one hole for the duct hose going out from the inline fan.
You'll have a regular fan blowing in fresh air (from the room) into the bottom of the tent.
You'll have your inline fan blowing from the top of your tent into a duct hose that leads to I'm guessing the ceiling.
You'll have the air conditioner blowing when needed to keep the ideal temperature.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803710 - 01/21/16 10:06 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Portable air conditioners can be a bit pricey
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Heating-Venting-Cooling-Air-Conditioners-Coolers-Air-Conditioners-Portable-Air-Conditioners/N-5yc1vZc4m4Z2bcqfk
If you have the money, by all means go ahead and get one new.
If you don't, I wouldn't see anything wrong with buying a used one that works good. It's not hard to tell whether it's going to work or not when all you have to do is simply plug it in before you buy it.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803712 - 01/21/16 10:07 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm also planning on trying to find a good used inline fan.
My carbon filter will of course be new.
I'll also be getting a used regular fan (to draw fresh air into my room)
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803713 - 01/21/16 10:17 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just some quick advice though...that may be obvious for some but not for others.
IF you do decide to go with a MH and HPS bulb make sure to get a good ballast.
The last thing you want is to get some cheap setup like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/250w-HPS-MH-Grow-Light-Kit-Dimmable-Digital-Ballast-27x18-Adjust-Wing-Reflector-/381429074832?hash=item58cef1cb90&rmvSB=true
Galaxy is a good brand, they're the one I'll probably be going with. And remember how I said something earlier in my first post about having a ballast that switches wats? Make sure you have the right ballast for the right light.
Do not try to stick a 1000W light bulb in a 600W ballast.
Again, this is probably obvious but I'd hate to have your next post be about how you caught your apartment on fire...if we had the chance to hear about it.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803721 - 01/21/16 10:28 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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No.
Okay check it out
LIGHT -> (DUCT HOSE1) -> [CARBON FILTER] -> INLINE FAN -> (DUCT HOSE2) ->
You have DUCT HOSE1 to give you a little distance from your LIGHT and the CARBON FILTER. you don't want the CARBON FILTER touching* the LIGHT.
The INLINE FAN (which is in your tent) will connect to DUCT HOSE2.
DUCT HOSE2 is going to be long enough to stretch out of a hole in your tent up into a hole in the ceiling of your room. The air will run from the LIGHT, into DUCT HOSE1, into the CARBON FILTER to filter out the smell, into the INLINE FAN, and then through DUCT HOSE2 into the ceiling of your room. It will go into that attic space and that air will be disposed of.
Meanwhile, you will have another fan (just a regular good fan, not an inline fan) blowing air from your room into the tent.
EDIT: You do want DUCT HOSE1 close to your light, you just don't want it touching the light.
Edited by Kush_Zombie (01/21/16 10:29 AM)
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