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 Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights.  [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803813 - 01/21/16 07:30 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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The LED "heat" myth...
Its not just "More heat" from an HPS, its radiant infra-red heat being projected on every surface of your plants, walls and equipment. The plant then needs to be in a much cooler environment(temps in the 70's) so that the plant tissue can sit at an optimal temperature (like at the equator, temps in the 80's). The temperature differential drives the plants to cool off. The "light/heat" has to hit your equipment and plants before the energy it projected can be dissipated and exhausted. Some people use more energy to
With LED you just suck off the excess heat off the top, cutting out a lot of useless energy transfer on the plant surface. They're more gentler on the plants that way, and I believe that is why people are seeing a 1-3% increase in THC and a more developed terpene profile.
For a 4x4 area I'd recommend the XML650... 650watts equivalent to a 1000wHPS.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803814 - 01/21/16 07:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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But yeah, a portable A/C will probably be necessary with or without the MH and HPS lights if it stays at about 85 - 90 in your house. You want them around 78 if you can.
Not with LED, you want your LED garden more like the equator in the mid 80's. I bought a portable air conditioner for my house fir when it got over 100 for a few days every few weeks in the summer. The problem was that my house was so hot that I used my A/C for my benefit and let the plants deal with the elements. The plants do so well under LED that they would get up to 104 some days with no problems. A few people I knew couldn't grow in the summer time because they didn't have a good enough air conditioner or ventilation.
HPS would cost a lot more to the HPS growers if they factored in all the excess cooling they need to run the damn thing. They seem to neglect the fact that their 1000w is more like 2000w when you consider the A/C.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803819 - 01/21/16 08:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kush_Zombie said:
You don't need circulation. You need ventilation.
WOAH WOAH WOAH... BULLSHIT!!!!!!
Air circulation around the plants is critical.
The plants suck up all the available CO2 within a few seconds, if you don't keep the air moving around the leaf zone they sit in stale air and stop growing within 30 seconds or so.
You create a "No Fly Zone" that makes it hard for small insects to fly through, which cuts feeding and breeding cycles.
You reduce the amount of powder mildew by keeping the air in the damp corners of the plant ventilated and exchanged.
Air circulation is key to plant happiness. Keep fans under the plants so that there is airflow under the canopy as well, not just on the tops.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803820 - 01/21/16 08:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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seriously, 5 pages of replies.... this post is a lot of work..
For ventilation the best way I found was this:
My 4x4 next to the veg tent had an 8" booster between it and the 4x8 flower tent, constantly flowing to keep new air in both tents. both tents were in a 12x12 room that had attic access in the closet.
The 8" exhaust fan was set to blow out the bedroom window because the HUMIDITY kills the entire house when blown inside. I taped the window off with plastic to only blow OUT the window. Inside that exhaust fan, just after it I had a small ozone generator that would kick on when the fan did--which was controlled by a temp/humidity controller.
In the summer time I would open the bedroom door and passively suck air through my house into the bedroom, which routed through the grow tents and out the door. I couldn't use the A/C those days in the house, but it was the best option. The ozone generator was key for smell, as the carbon won't cut it and they go bad with no indication as to when. A cop let me know he could smell my plants around the apartment complex when using just carbon. I solved it with ozone.
In the winter I would close my bedroom off and seal the bottom with a towel. Then I would prop open the attic door to suck through the attic so I didn't have to waste my house's heat. If I tried to use the attic in the summer the air coming would be WAY too hot even at night after a few hours of sucking air through it.
It took me awhile to figure out that ideal ventilation strategy, but I think its the best to have a continuous flow of fresh air while exhausting the "used" air. Exhaust your garden's air outside or deal with the humidity and occasional sweating walls throughout the house. My toilet constantly had a huge puddle of water around it because the cold tank would condense the water out of the air. Its really hard to sleep in the tropics sometimes too, I woke up sweating like in a sauna a few times.
Get an ozone generator and long enough vent so that the ozone dissipates before it exits the vent and you'll have no problems.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: phychotron]
#803823 - 01/21/16 08:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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One thing I was going to mention is that the Kind LED's look exactly like the GrowBlu and I think there might be one or two more of those replicas out there. Growblu worked well for me, but it had 14 of 16 modules break a diode within the first year. I had just replaced the modules under warranty last summer before selling it. The GrowBlu website is down and looks like they're out of the game. The reason most likely being that he could not keep up with warranty costs. If the rest of his fixtures were like mine they would have all had at least a few diodes pop within a year or two.
You can't just go cheap and get a generic production line LED if you want the best results. That's the feeling I get with Kind, that they're just pumping them out with the latest generic technology and they're getting better than they were, but not up to the standards you'd expect when spending that much cash on one.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803824 - 01/21/16 09:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Holes in the ceiling are not a option either lol.
No actually it is. Cut an appropriate sized round hole, save that round piece. When its time to put it back you take a strip of wood longer than the hole, put that in the attic and screw the round piece to the wood to set it back up there in place. Then get some plaster and go around it. Viola, hole's fixed. It'll be easier to hide if you have the 'flocked' ceiling with all that crap hanging down. That way you can re-create that look with plaster.
If you have an apartment inspection just keep a bunch of shit piled up in that area to cover any evidence.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#803867 - 01/22/16 01:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kush_Zombie said:
First off, there are plenty of HPS lights that give off a blue spectrum as well, such as the one I linked earlier in the post..
They get a 1-3% increase in THC? WHOA there buddy, that's INSANE! 
link pls?
And that's about where I stopped reading
This is a THERMAL image of two closed tents, nothing about having more blue light in the LED.
Here's a video of the lab results from a side by side. Others have noted it in the past and this guy put a video together, you can follow the entire grow log if you want.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: phychotron]
#803871 - 01/22/16 01:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803947 - 01/23/16 01:46 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can get by with less ventilation if you have a small tent in a room that are left open, sure, but its no where near ideal. You want fresh carbon dioxide pumping into the room the plants are in. Plus the humidity spikes when you exhaust into your input.
Using a room as a lung can be tricky. It might work now that its winter, but come summer you'll probably have to rearrange some stuff.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#803989 - 01/23/16 06:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fresh air contains more CO2 than air that the plants have used.
Plants are mostly carbon, they get it from the air, not through the roots.
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Re: Lind k5 xl1000 vs DS XTE 400 from Advanced Led Lights. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#804036 - 01/23/16 09:43 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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You'll need to control the humidity and temperature in a sealed room. Even with LED a sealed room will heat up.
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