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Re: What are your thoughts on LED grow lights??? Outproduce HIDs??? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #383952 - 03/15/10 10:10 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

'good enough for your average smoker' is just above bottom shelf in many parts of the US. Those links are nice grows but holy fucking shit @ the guy in the top post.


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Cost breakdown: 4.25 x $320 = $1360 is what we would have paid for this from our buddies who get it out of humbolt. $450x2=$900 for the lights, $175 for the tent, $50 for the fan and I already had the scrubber/nutes/ferts/soil.... So that is $1125 spent on this grow + electricity. We saved approx $225 and got 4 dozen cookies out of it.




If I use his math and the average price for a QP here of $900 he's in the hole and I don't think for one minute his buds are anywhere near the quality of a top shelf california bag, which should come to you for that same $900/qp. If you add the cost of nute/scrubber etc that he already had hes more then $400 in the hole. Then if I compare apples to apples and say his QP is worth $700 he's totally upside down and needs another full harvest to break even.

LED's are shiny and new but they have no place in a flowering room IMO. If he had used commercial HID's, even at a high price of $350/ 400w setup he would saved $200 and have better yields. If he had gone the CFL route he could of done the same grow with less then $100 invested in lights and would have more light and if my grow is an indicator denser buds (mine are rock hard now and 4 inches under 130w of CFL)


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"The proverb warns that, "You should not bite the hand that feeds you." But maybe you should, if it prevents you from feeding yourself."
- Thomas Szasz

"if you arent good with electricity dont go touching it...ive electrocuted myself twice...its no fun"
- mhbound

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Re: What are your thoughts on LED grow lights??? Outproduce HIDs??? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #384062 - 03/15/10 02:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It is the fact that LED's in general are less then equal. LED's are produced around what $.01 a unit. Large HID bulbs run into the hundreds, quality difference? No duh. That's not to say you can't buy good LED's but if you think the company building the units is going to use the very best available or test each LED before assembly your kidding yourself.

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Mr. Hands said:
Wow... must be nice living where you live.  You could bring that $900 QP of dank to my area and sell it for $1200 no sweat.  1/8's of good shit go for $60 around here.  Somebody needs to start smuggling this stuff my way.  :yesnod:




I live in no-wheresville but there seems to be a lot of large traffic come through. The kids who by 1/8th pay 50-60 but no one that buys regular weight pays more then a G. It's not always the shit and the guys who always have the shit charge accordingly, but even my discerning tastes are satisfied more often then not.
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It always takes a grow or two to break even on the initial cost of material.  From just looking at those buds...it does appear that LED's can deliver in flowering.  Are they as good as an H.P.S.?  No.  But, if you are in a confined space with no venting or you want to keep your electric bill down and the initial cost of the LED panel doesn't bother you then I can see how they can be a viable alternative to H.P.S.




I guess if you do a lot of things wrong and spend a lot of money of big bottles of liquid hope, yeah that could be true, but I am about to harvest my first round and am seeing very different results. If I add in the original cost of the vacume cleaner I used the cord off of for my wiring and don't count that I used half the wood to build a custom beer pong table my cost to completion of this first grow is....drum roll... 170 bucks, the vacume was $55. I am hoping for 2 oz's, prolly will be on the low side of that but close.

Now if I had used just a 100w LED (I have 130w 2700k + 46w 6500k CFL plus a nearly 200w flower chamber all for ~$80) my light cost alone would be $189 (the cheapest in a quick google search) to match anything close to my total output either watt-wise or lumen-wise it would cost more then more then $500.


Lights and wire: $80
Old Freezer: $0
Metal Blade for my jigsaw: $1
Wood for the project: $20

Laying the smack down on LED fanbois: Priceless

note: I am not picking on you or anyone else that might love LED's this all just my opinion mixed with real world experience and some humor.


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"The proverb warns that, "You should not bite the hand that feeds you." But maybe you should, if it prevents you from feeding yourself."
- Thomas Szasz

"if you arent good with electricity dont go touching it...ive electrocuted myself twice...its no fun"
- mhbound

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Re: What are your thoughts on LED grow lights??? Outproduce HIDs??? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #384068 - 03/15/10 02:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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hawksapprentice said:
There's really no way you can vent your lights??  How are you going to get fresh air into your grow space to keep your CO2 levels up??




The same thing crossed my mind, any grow has to have air it almost more important then the fucking lights.


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"The proverb warns that, "You should not bite the hand that feeds you." But maybe you should, if it prevents you from feeding yourself."
- Thomas Szasz

"if you arent good with electricity dont go touching it...ive electrocuted myself twice...its no fun"
- mhbound

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Re: What are your thoughts on LED grow lights??? Outproduce HIDs??? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #384148 - 03/15/10 05:03 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Heh 16kw :awesome:

Maybe one day huh, a guy can dream right?


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"The proverb warns that, "You should not bite the hand that feeds you." But maybe you should, if it prevents you from feeding yourself."
- Thomas Szasz

"if you arent good with electricity dont go touching it...ive electrocuted myself twice...its no fun"
- mhbound

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Re: What are your thoughts on LED grow lights??? Outproduce HIDs??? [Re: captain.koons]
    #384487 - 03/16/10 07:19 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I seriously don't know what all the fuss is about guys its not like when you go into a hydro store the guy running it is under any disillusions about what your primary crop is. sure you might run a few veggies but tell me your really going to buy something like voodoo juice or a bottle of gravity for fucking tomatoes.

the only reason you feel stetchy is because you probably are.


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"The proverb warns that, "You should not bite the hand that feeds you." But maybe you should, if it prevents you from feeding yourself."
- Thomas Szasz

"if you arent good with electricity dont go touching it...ive electrocuted myself twice...its no fun"
- mhbound

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Re: What are your thoughts on LED grow lights??? Outproduce HIDs??? [Re: captain.koons]
    #384494 - 03/16/10 07:27 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

so what if they do? the point is there is nothing illegal for sale and owning any amount of lights is still 100% legal even if they follow you home and sit on your curb for a week there should still be no reason to be worried.


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"The proverb warns that, "You should not bite the hand that feeds you." But maybe you should, if it prevents you from feeding yourself."
- Thomas Szasz

"if you arent good with electricity dont go touching it...ive electrocuted myself twice...its no fun"
- mhbound

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Re: What are your thoughts on LED grow lights??? Outproduce HIDs??? [Re: captain.koons]
    #384502 - 03/16/10 07:39 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

yeah you know damn well all the thing you just mentioned are no-no's big time. what i am saying is going to a store wether they sell lights or shoes is legal and there is nothing they can say to get a warrant just because you bought a few lights. if it scares you that bad don't go there. DIY all your fixtures from home depot parts and build your own hydro tables it's not rocket science.


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"The proverb warns that, "You should not bite the hand that feeds you." But maybe you should, if it prevents you from feeding yourself."
- Thomas Szasz

"if you arent good with electricity dont go touching it...ive electrocuted myself twice...its no fun"
- mhbound

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Re: What are your thoughts on LED grow lights??? Outproduce HIDs??? [Re: captain.koons]
    #384528 - 03/16/10 08:32 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Like I said if it scares ya you can always DIY and then you have that much less to worry about. I am not going to debate the legality of shopping at a hydro store or buying nutrients marketed for cannabis growing. For people who feel the need there is literally terrabits of information on building each and every piece of equipment you could need. I will continue to shop locally as I am sure the cops have better ways of finding the grows then squatting at the hydro shop and I am reasonably sure they have more pressing issues in my area anyways.

Smoke a bowl guys lets get baked, thinking bout pulling a little bit off my birthday nug... ohhh must resist ahhhh!! I can't help myself, spark spark puff :smile:


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"The proverb warns that, "You should not bite the hand that feeds you." But maybe you should, if it prevents you from feeding yourself."
- Thomas Szasz

"if you arent good with electricity dont go touching it...ive electrocuted myself twice...its no fun"
- mhbound

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