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 MonsignorBerric
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 Indoor Setup 
#228777 - 05/20/09 09:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm very new to growing this being my first actual year of my own plants, I've got 5 total and want to take 3 indoors. Basically I just need a little insight to whether or not this is a good idea.
I'm growing my plants in pots with a soil mix and am using nutrients.
I was going to take a small cabinet probably 3'x3'x4'
Then I was going to hang 2 fluorescent lights inside maybe more, I'd like to have 200w for 3 seedlings. Then I think all I'd need was a fan which I have, and some mylar.
I think that would be good, am I missing anything?
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Edited by MonsignorBerric (05/20/09 09:02 PM)
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MonsignorBerric
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and I guess I'd make a carbon filter if I flower them in there
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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cubie
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id make a filter anyways dude, weed smells! My plants usually have tho whole house stinking like buds even before they flower.
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MonsignorBerric
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: cubie]
#228793 - 05/20/09 09:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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ya I've got one thats actually starting to smell quite skunky  
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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MonsignorBerric
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Now I'm having a fan problem, how much air flow is needed??
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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ethnoguy
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Quote:
MonsignorBerric said:
Now I'm having a fan problem, how much air flow is needed??
You say its 3x3x4'? That's 36cfm. You will only need a small 4" booster fan. I forgo computer fans. I just don't like them. Others do though.
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#230139 - 05/21/09 11:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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On second thought, just get a 4' inline fan with low cfm rating. Build a scrubber, and get a fan controller. That should work fine.
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#230140 - 05/21/09 11:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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On a side note: No mater how big your fan is, plants really like enough of a breeze to slightly move them and the leaves around. Simulating an outdoor breeze. This make the stems stronger, thicker, and you will get little to no sag when flowering. I feel like this doesnt get said enough. Try it out, and you will be happy with the results. Just a small $20 oscilating fan from walmart does wonders.
Edited by Integra21 (05/22/09 12:25 AM)
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: Integra21]
#230251 - 05/22/09 08:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I used a 6" $6 fan from Walmart. No problems.
EG
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MonsignorBerric
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#230363 - 05/22/09 11:18 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice, I definitely need something bigger than a comp fan. Im gonna run to the store today and pick up pvc piping for a grow cabinet frame, some mylar, and a fan.
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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ethnoguy
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So if you are using pvc are you going to use b&w poly/panda? I wouldn't use mylar. Not even 2mm.
EG
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MonsignorBerric
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#230707 - 05/23/09 12:34 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know what black and white poly/panda is. I was going to use this plastic that is basically extremely thick black garbage bag, then have mylar on the inside.
As for the fan, I was thinking of having a carbon filter on the top, and have a hole in the side of the cabinet with a sleeve of fabric coming out and over a small fan. I think that would work just fine.
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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ethnoguy
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No. You want poly sheeting. You can find it at most hydro store sites. One side is a very reflective white. The other side is black. No light leaks, its durable, and you can even cover carpet with it. Mylar (even 2mm) can have light leaks. Trash bags aren't going to improve much. Also with negative pressure from the exhaust, you will have lots of movement from the extra light weight mylar on a pvc frame. Mylar is best suited to be tacked or taped onto sheet rock or plywood.
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#231162 - 05/23/09 10:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, thanks. I think I got the fan problem fixed too, "hole in the side of the cabinet with a sleeve of fabric coming out and over a small fan."
I'm gonna pick up some compact fluorescent bulbs, at least 60 watts per plant. I was aiming for 70 watts for each of the 3 I want to put indoors.
My friend said that I could flower them in there too. Do you think most of the stink would be kept in or neutralized by the carbon filter?
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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ethnoguy
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If you are going to use cfls go this route:
 
Otherwise get T5, T8, or HID.
With the size of your space and the lighting you suggested, you would do good to end up with an ounce.
EG
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MonsignorBerric
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#231223 - 05/24/09 01:12 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I just took measurements and I've got 30"x20"x60" to work with. I think I can fit a nice little pvc pipe frame in there, but I'm wondering how I'm going to attach a carbon filter onto the side of what is pretty much just thick plastic, any suggestions on how to suspend it?
Oh and do you know how many watts that light is?
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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ethnoguy
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They come in 125 and 200W.
You may want to rethink using pvc and opt for 2x2s or 2x4s instead. You will need a small piece of plywood to mount the fan/scrubber. If you just cant do that you will have to hang a rope in the ceiling, through a hole in the plastic, and to the scrubber.
Maybe you should consider a small negative ion generator and some ONA products. I bet that will pretty much kill the odors.
EG
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#231315 - 05/24/09 12:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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ethnoguy
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You can get neg ion gens at Walmart. They carry 3 sizes here. About $60-70 I think. You may be able to get away with using a couple of the ones that stick right into the outlet. Those are about $25. ONA or some other similar gel would be great in front of (or behind) the exhaust fan. You may need to play around with that. Keeping spray around is good too. I hat ozone generators, but that is an option.
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#232714 - 05/26/09 11:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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So do you think a negative ion gen with a few of those ona odor blockers would be enough to neutralize the stench of 4 mature plants?
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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Yeah. I used 3 of the $25 ones in my closet. I'll post pics later. I'm going to start redoing my closet today  . Anyway, I put odor gels near the exhaust fan (not in the grow area, but where the air was expelled. I kept the spray around in case unwanted "guests" showed up.
EG
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#232992 - 05/27/09 05:07 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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That would definitely depend on your strain. I have 1 white widow flowering right now, 5 weeks in, and there is absolutly no smell coming off of my plant. The only thing i have the kills odor in the room is an ionic humidifier and i doubt that's what is killing the smell, just the strain, but my buddy is growing some blue kush, and that makes his whole house reek with a carbon scrubber and several oust large misters. It even smells outside of his house late into flowering. So your genetics play a major role on how much you need to invest in odor control.
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ethnoguy
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Quote:
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So I think I'm gonna invest in a HPS light. A found a nice one online that would be perfect for 4 mature plants with maybe some seedlings.
http://www.growlightexpress.com/grow-light-systems-2/sun-system-2-hps-400-watt-7.html The ballast and reflector are one unit.
Either of these would be good
http://www.growlightexpress.com/hps-mh-bulbs-7/high-pressure-sodium-29/hortilux-super-hps-400-watt-89.html
http://www.growlightexpress.com/hps-mh-bulbs-7/high-pressure-sodium-29/ushio-400-watt-hps-hilux-ahs-opti-red-lamp-593.html
Does anyone have any comments on any of these products?
I would recommend the Hortilux bulb over the other one. I like them. Others will say that they are all pretty close, but IDK about that from experience.
That is a suitable light system. My concern with built in ballasts is noise. Most of those type systems are cheaper because the ballasts are magnetic. If you aren't such a tight budget, consider HTG Supply's Lumatek w/ Xtrasun (Hydrofarm) reflector. Well worth the cash, and its a full system. Lumatek ballasts are MH/HPS switchable.
I think it really doesn't get any better than Lumatek for ballasts and Hydrofarm for reflectors (well there is Hortilux). Anyway, putting my money where my mouth is, I just bought a Hydrofarm AC Radiant reflector, 400W Lumatek ballast, and cord set. Expensive, but it will more than pay for itself in electricity consumption, useable wattage, and yield.
EG
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#233731 - 05/28/09 09:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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ethnoguy
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Here is my old CFL hood
 
Is that what you are thinking about, or a batwing reflector?
EG
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MonsignorBerric
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: ethnoguy]
#233899 - 05/29/09 11:45 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats exactly what I was going to get, I think HPS might be a little too expensive for me right now tho.
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Every man and every woman is a star
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt
Love is the law, love under will
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." -The Book of the Law 2:9
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Integra21
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Youd be suprised how cheap a 100w hps light from the hardware store can be. If you have a home depot around you they sell them for $70usd and you can order it online if they're not local. I promise you that light is better for flowering and a 100w hps has a way higher lumen output than a 150w cfl. Just a thought for you. I have a MH version of these lights for my mature clones and it works great.
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Re: Indoor Setup [Re: Integra21]
#234250 - 05/30/09 03:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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You could get a 250W HID from HTG Supply for the price of that Hydrofarm reflector and bulb. I think I spent around $130 + shipping for the CFL gear.
EG
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