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 Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency 
#116434 - 08/31/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's been about 35 days of growth, and it's doing great. here's the photo i took yesterday
But I was told that there's either a Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency.
"You are about to experience the same electrolyte imbalance that a couple of us have seen thus far. Look closely in your monitor at the lower 3rdof your photograph. There are splotches congregating in the spikes of your leaves that indicate you have an electrolyte imbalance or a water soluble metal deficiency. In the existing discourse it's almost imposable to tell the difference between the deficiency, and the electrolyte imbalance. Hopefully the GROWERY can come to establish the difference between the two. "
here's some better pics of what he's talking about
   
Any suggestions? here's the link to the original post
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/111136/page/0/fpart/2/vc/1
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Edited by dude7932288 (08/31/08 01:03 PM)
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: dude7932288]
#116442 - 08/31/08 01:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's the pH, and what kind of nutrient regiment do you have going on?
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: Sirius]
#116443 - 08/31/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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PH - 5 after adding the nutrients to the distilled water
General Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula
G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 mL- For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 mL- For Flowering cycle (12/12)
http://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/4387-lucas-formula.html
Edited by dude7932288 (08/31/08 01:17 PM)
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: dude7932288]
#116445 - 08/31/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This looks very familiar to the problems we've been having with our plants. Its been one hell of a process trying to figure out what the cause is, from trying out different pH levels to different ratios of nutrients at different levels. I don't feel too confident telling you what's up with yours, especially since we haven't dialed in ours yet, but so far it looks like we had some lock-outs due to over-fertilization. It could be something like potassium deficiency. 
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: dude7932288]
#116446 - 08/31/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
dude7932288 said:
PH - 5 after adding the nutrients to the distilled water
IMO, distilled water is the root of you problem. You should consider a micro-nut addition to your grow. Distilled water has none of the dissolved metals necessary for healthy plant growth. By the way I was seeing some of the same discolorations, and this morning I woke up to some dying leaves. I think I overestimated the hardness of my local tap water.
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: Uns4ne]
#116452 - 08/31/08 02:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oops, I was just trying to find out more about your nutrient regime and appears you have a micro formula. However I could find no documentation that breaks down what each part of your nutrients actually contain. So throw my distilled water theory out the door (for now). You might consider though that a PH of 5 is a little on the low side and leaves no room for error. You might try kicking it up .1 at a time to see if there are any improvements.
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: Uns4ne]
#117039 - 09/01/08 10:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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 isn't looking any better 
- starts on the oldest leaves and moves up as the plant grows
- tips of older leaves are also crumbling off
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: dude7932288]
#117177 - 09/02/08 03:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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How would you describe the color of the leaves in general, and also the grow tips themselves? Are the grow tips and brand new leaves pretty lime green or even kinda yellowish? I'm telling you, it really looks like the beginning stages of what we've had happen with ours, and I really think it could be a potassium deficiency, especially if the leaves aren't looking very dark green and the brand new growth is closer to yellow.
I'd also recommend raising that pH to about 5.2 or 5.3, maybe up to 5.5, although 5.0 shouldn't be causing the problem, but raising it a little bit will leave a margin for error in case your pH meter is reading off a little either way.
If you could, grab some more pictures of all different areas of the plant so I can see how similar it is to what we've been experiencing...
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: Sirius]
#117254 - 09/02/08 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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not looking goood at all now, good news though i got my shot glass!
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: Zifnab69]
#117363 - 09/02/08 08:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's still looking bomb, but the old leaves are being raped by this epidemic. i'll post some more pictures of the damaged soon
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: dude7932288]
#117735 - 09/03/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, im assuming this is a hydro grow? Ph btwn 5-6 is fine for hydro, so you shouldn't be seeing any lockout problems. Problems starting from the bottom of the plant and moving upwards is a sign of a mobile element problem. I'm also noticing some clawing on your plants which is a general sign of over fertilization. Have you tried cutting back on the feedings you're giving your plants? IMO the splotches on your leaves look like nutrient burn from excess solution being splashed on the leaves, but im not too sure.
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: coda]
#117763 - 09/03/08 03:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coda, what do you think about the color of the leaves? Shouldn't they be a darker green, overall? You're right about the pH, and I think its possible that it could be over-fertilization, but if it is, its in such a way that it is locking out potassium, which is my guess and would seem to be confirmed by your statement about mobile nutrients. I don't think those spots are due to splashing because they look exactly like what was happening with our plants, and its common for these different burnt, chlorotic/necrotic spots to show up in different areas of the leaves when they are potassium deficient.
If the problem doesn't get corrected, I'll almost guarantee that the next thing we'll see will be the edges from the tip, working its way down, turning a crispy, golden color.
I'm going to post some pictures I've posted on ICMag when I was trying to get help diagnosing our problem to show the similarities. The ones I have right now don't show those spots developing too much, but there are a couple that give the idea.
These were a little later in the deficiency, but let's look at those compared to some of his:
If you look at the second one of mine and the second picture of his, you can see those spots between veins where the color is leaching out and then eventually started burning.
Also, here's a comparison between a plant that was still potassium deficient compared to one that was experimented on with increased dosages of P/K:
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: Sirius]
#117768 - 09/03/08 04:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really don't know too much about the GH series, but looking at their website at the general description of each bottle of the Flora series (doesn't show NPK values even ), the micro has nitrogen, potassium, and calcium, whereas the bloom has phosphorous, potassium, magnesium, and sulfur. While I don't really want to make any suggestions without knowing too much, I'd recommend either decreasing the micro and increasing the bloom, or simply increasing the bloom, probably the latter, being careful not to over-fertilize and doing the changes incrementally. The reason I suggest this is because the micro has calcium as well as potassium and more calcium will work towards locking out the potassium. Hopefully someone who knows more about GH can chime in. 
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: Sirius]
#117782 - 09/03/08 05:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, if its a P problem he should check the Ph of the water in his rez. P gets locked out at levels 4.7 and lower. It's quite possible that feeding at 5.0 may have caused his water to become too acidic creating the lockout. Before feeding your plants any more food make sure to eliminate the PH level as a problem. If P is being locked out feeding it more won't do anything.
If it is a P problem, then yes, feeding it with a nice dose of P will prevent any further damage. However, leaves that have already been affected will never recover.
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: coda]
#117786 - 09/03/08 05:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually, the symbol for potassium is K. 
It is definitely true about the leaves not recovering. The problem will spread to newer leaves pretty quickly.
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: coda]
#117819 - 09/03/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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doh, quick typing error with the element symbols.
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Re: Electrolyte Imbalance or a Water Soluble Metal Deficiency [Re: coda]
#117863 - 09/03/08 10:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'm hoping the problem was just a miscalculation in the nutrients because it was doing fine, refreshing the tank with new water and exact measurements of the nutrients and we'll see if this shit continues
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