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    #868457 - 08/25/24 10:01 AM (2 months, 25 days ago)

This is where we can just discuss politics at large. There is not a dedicated part of the site for this. This is now that dedicated part of the site.

There’s just so much going on. But I understand that people are smoking a bunch of weed right now and they don’t want to talk about it.

That’s fair. Double click the file icon on this thread. You’ve hidden it.

Lebanon counter struck Israel last night.
Apparently, Israel shot preemptively and blew up like 45 different missile launch sites.
Then hundreds of missiles and drones got shot at Israel. Israel say they shot down all of them with their iron Dome.

Lebanon has said this is the end of the reprisal attack phase 1. I don’t know why it needs multiple phases.

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    #868462 - 08/25/24 10:26 AM (2 months, 25 days ago)



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    #868474 - 08/26/24 08:23 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

Trump is trying to excuse himself from the debate.
Like a little chickenshit liar.
Which is odd because the Harris campaign is arguing for live mics during the entire debate. Something that Trump has argued for. He loves, not obeying the rules and constantly chipping in when it’s not his turn.

Harris is ready for that and she wants to be even more aggressive than him. She wants to hot mics the entire time. Which is now using being used as another excuse to try and excuse himself from the debate because he’s already been trying to the entire time, he is scared shitless of her.

I think if he backs out of the debate, it will prove that he is a scared old man who knows he’s going to lose.
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Re: The political discussion slush fund [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #868476 - 08/26/24 11:11 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

LOL
I avoid these threads most days.

But Harris is bad for the US citizens period. She brings more illegals and a shity econ. She's that guy in the PJs smiling and laughing in your face while picking your pocket and robbing you blind.

funny how she wants to debate. When she still hasn't done the sit down interview she promised to do by the end of this month. Butx we'll see she has what four or five days left.


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Re: The political discussion slush fund [Re: Stoneth]
    #868477 - 08/26/24 11:22 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

Actually, the thing she’s most famous for is being pretty darn hard on the border.
I don’t know why the Republicans keep trying to hammer her on the border when that is the thing she is most most famous for.
If anything, she’s too Republican for my liking. But they keep trying to paint her as an extreme liberal.
Really weird angle to attack in my opinion.
Lets not forget the huge border policy bill that was not passed solely because Donald Trump told people to not let it get passed because he needed to be able to attack the border during the election.
So people complaining about the border and Democrats not getting anything done kind of falls on deaf ears for me when we did try to pass a pretty hard-core Border policy that was completely nuked by the Republicans so they could continue to bitch about it.

All the things that they’ve been complaining about would have been addressed in this bill that they refused to pass.

Republicans don’t get to make a big shit smeared mess and then complain that it smells like shit in the room.


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    #868478 - 08/26/24 11:52 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)



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Re: The political discussion slush fund [Re: Stoneth]
    #868479 - 08/26/24 12:02 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate you voicing your opinion. I’m always open to debate but a lot of the time people don’t even want to engage.
You got some big brass balls stoneth.


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    #868480 - 08/26/24 12:09 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

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    #868483 - 08/26/24 04:53 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

Dude all she has truly at the bolder i's oper the doors and giving free money and food stamps to boot.  That's What she's famous for. And when Texas started putting fencing to slow the flow what did the deas do sent troops in to remove it.

I'll admit I only support Trump because of the econ and we got to stop the flow of illegals coming into this country.

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    #868484 - 08/26/24 05:36 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

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Re: The political discussion slush fund [Re: wontootreefor]
    #868485 - 08/26/24 05:45 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

:stayfunky:
Trump completely fucked the economy.
Giving tax breaks to the 1% richest part of The country doesn’t help the middle class or the working class.

But yeah, he did he he did turn away a lot of people at the border. I could admit that is what he did and if that was your goal that was accomplished.

But it is asinine to pretend that the Democrats didn’t try and do the same thing and were refused by Trump so he could continue to complain about the border.


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    #868486 - 08/26/24 07:09 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

My Dad taught me the stock market growing up.
I read books about Economics on my own.
I know a guy who does all the charts and graphs.
The main thing he looks at is the quantity of money in circulation.
During Covid Lockdown, the WHOLE WORLD starting printing tons of money.
Your stocks would be worthless without this inflation.
You were supposed to invest in the stock market to keep up with inflation.
Most of the trading is done by robots.
All the robots do is pump this currency into the markets.
No one knows what happens when there is Worldwide inflation, with tons of debt.


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Re: The political discussion slush fund [Re: Stoneth]
    #868488 - 08/26/24 07:58 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

What did you catch?
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Re: The political discussion slush fund [Re: Solid Log]
    #868490 - 08/26/24 08:06 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

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My Dad taught me the stock market growing up.
I read books about Economics on my own.
I know a guy who does all the charts and graphs.
The main thing he looks at is the quantity of money in circulation.
During Covid Lockdown, the WHOLE WORLD starting printing tons of money.
Your stocks would be worthless without this inflation.
You were supposed to invest in the stock market to keep up with inflation.
Most of the trading is done by robots.
All the robots do is pump this currency into the markets.
No one knows what happens when there is Worldwide inflation, with tons of debt.



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    #868491 - 08/26/24 08:15 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

I was lucky I was an Upper Middle Class Kid.
My Dad taught me the stock market.
I had good insurance that covered prescriptions and dental even.
I got to go to college.


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    #868492 - 08/26/24 08:32 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

What did you attend college for?


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    #868493 - 08/26/24 09:20 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

Agricultural Ecology.
It's all about the sustainability of the ecosystem.
The joke is you want small organic farms in small farm towns.
There's no crime in small farm towns, except drug crime and domestic shit from alcohol.
We have robots now that can work the factories and all the stuff.
I lived in a small farm town for 15 years.
I grew up in the Hollywood Hills.


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    #868514 - 08/27/24 05:08 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Trump just now accepted the debate rules. Took a lot of convincing and i’m still not totally convinced he’ll show up. But that’s progress.


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    #868520 - 08/27/24 08:40 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

LOL
Funny how she has to have notes. LOL
Also funny how she now sounds like Trump. Let's build a border wall and no taxes on tips. LOL She could end up running this nation and isn't able to think on her feet or for herself. Scary shit bro.

Her flip flopping is just like the fish on the floor of my boat.

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Re: The political discussion slush fund [Re: Stoneth]
    #868521 - 08/27/24 08:55 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

I’m excited to watch a sloppy 34 time felon try and debate a prosecutor.


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    #868523 - 08/27/24 10:07 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

I think they said if you buy $1,500 worth of Trump Digital Trading Cards you get an actual Physical Card.
I personally won't be buying any.


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    #868524 - 08/27/24 10:09 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

That is another scam.
They were also doing a scam where they would sell you a piece of of a suit for $5000.
With the promise that it was actually from Donald Trump’s suit.
The thing is, there was no limit on how many of these you could buy so at some point there would have had to have been another suit.
I don’t think there was ever a suit. I think there were selling swatches of cloth to idiots for $5000 to try and pay for his enormous legal bills.


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    #868525 - 08/27/24 10:13 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

I got to see some of the Trump Digital Trading Cards.
He is like hyper masculine in appearance.


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    #868526 - 08/27/24 10:15 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Propaganda NFTs.
He is an 83 year old man.
I bet you do actually get a physical card if you do buy all of those. I bet you it’s of terrible quality because they are trying to maximize the amount of money they’re making off of it.
I’m just imagining the thousands of dollars it would take to actually get this card. It should be like gold foil inlayed holographic with a chip in it that if you push, it has a little hologram of them that comes out.
I bet you it’s a lower quality than a magic the gathering card.


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    #868529 - 08/27/24 10:23 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

I don't want to make fun of the guy.


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    #868531 - 08/27/24 10:31 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

I’m willing to admit when somebody does something good even if I don’t like the person.
What do you like about Donald Trump?
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    #868536 - 08/27/24 10:45 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

The only good thing he did was?
I can't name one thing.


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    #868537 - 08/27/24 10:46 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

He fixed the price of certain drugs. which did help a lot of people.

I liked that.
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That’s about it. I can’t think of anything else.


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    #868538 - 08/28/24 12:23 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Did he Fix them or Cap them?


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    #868539 - 08/28/24 12:36 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Apparently, we were paying more money for European drugs when they were selling them much cheaper locally. It was an expansion of something he had already been working on. An executive action but still really good. I can’t criticize him on that.
It actually felt really out of character for him compared to everything else he’d been doing up to that point.


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    #868540 - 08/28/24 12:38 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

I'm putting my drink on Ice.
Trump isn't old enough to drink with me.


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    #868542 - 08/28/24 01:26 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

The court ordered Elon Musk to reveal who his financers on Twitter were.

Well, apparently, a bunch of them were Russian war supporters. Sort of makes sense why he wanted to disconnect Starlink now doesn’t it?
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    #868543 - 08/28/24 01:40 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

He is going to Hell.


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    #868545 - 08/28/24 01:44 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

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    #868547 - 08/28/24 11:17 AM (2 months, 22 days ago)

For real though.
Entire GOP campaign is just being ran off of lies. They don’t even care that they’re just stealing peoples faces to make lies for them. It’s pretty disgusting at this point.


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    #868550 - 08/28/24 01:44 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

Oh no lies in polics. What's the world coming too. LOL

About as funny as "Tramp fucked the econ by goring the rich tax breaks"
News flash every president in my life time has given the rich breaks. Taxes etc ...

Them demS lie too. Just saying. Harris herself says Biden manics is working. The rich are paying their 1% in taxes. LOL Wish I was rich because I pay for more in taxes.
From the day Biden took office the cost at the grocery store doubled four years later no change. But, Biden monics is working.

Earlier you asked other than capping some drug cost what did Trump do. Well the lowest interest rates in 40 years as well as the lovest inflation. And jobs. This helps the working class to be able to afford to live.

Fact the only truth Harris has said is that people can't afford food, housing, and clothes for their kids. But Biden monics is working. And the rich are doing well. LOL

Politics is 99.9 % like and if we the people are lucky 0.1% truth. Doesn't matter who's side you are for.
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    #868551 - 08/28/24 02:22 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

It sounds like you’re pretty angry about it. Why wouldn’t you support taxing them more?

I don’t think there has been lying on the scale of just taking peoples entire persona and face. Then having them lie in an AI generated ad that you would never condone. That’s the cutting Edge of lying bullshit. Republicans are really pushing it to new levels that we never thought were possible before.


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    #868552 - 08/28/24 02:55 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

Smokey The Bear Jones gives Reefer to the top 1%.


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    #868620 - 08/30/24 11:20 AM (2 months, 20 days ago)

In my opinion. Every time Donald Trump mentions somebody calling him weird. By talking about it, he in a way validates it.
He gets a little weirder every single time I hear him say it.


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    #868626 - 08/30/24 01:56 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

I don't mind weird hell I myself am a bit weird.

Did you see your gurl's interview? No eye contact, only look, at notes, or looks off into space. Had no solid answers. And while her camp. says she now has Tramp values, she Openly admits her values haven't changed. That clearly means her whole camp. is being run an lies. Can't wait until the debate.

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    #868627 - 08/30/24 02:29 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

The Republicans were wrong and she does support border policy is what you’re saying

I’ve been saying that the entire time I don’t know why they keep attacking her on the border when that is what she is most well-known for.
It’s a waste. It’s a bad angle to attack from.
I mean, I’m not on the Republican side at all, but they are doing a terrible job running this campaign.


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    #868633 - 08/30/24 05:24 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

They are goin' to lose.
Trump will be displaced by President Kamala.


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    #868634 - 08/30/24 05:28 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

Dude you're missing the point. I'm stating what she has said her whole (greer. Not what others said. she i's for open borders and g" vns then healthcare and food stumps. She I's for gov. pricing control which has never worked here or anywhere else, The Dem. camp. is hiding her hoping to sudo. in votes. The Den camp. is drowins her as someone else not who she really sees herself as. She couldn't even look the interviewer in the eyes while doing h taped and edited interview speaks volumes.

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    #868636 - 08/30/24 05:34 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

I’m telling you she isn’t though. She literally went to the border just to tell people not to come. That’s what I’m talking about. She is not open border at all.
I already told you about the border policy bill that had bipartisan support and was not passed because the Republicans wanted to continue to complain about the border. She isn’t soft on the border at all, that’s a fantasy.


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    #868637 - 08/30/24 06:19 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

LOL
OK dude.
I'm using the words she spoke but that isn't Who She is. Guess you know her better than she does. 

you ever seen the show Letfiles Losing It on sky newS?

Entertaining stuff there.

Lacking forward to the debate.

will she be the dem the dem party wants her to be. Or will the REAL Harris stand up?


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    #868639 - 08/30/24 06:35 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

Same
Lets hope Trump actually shows up.


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    #868666 - 08/31/24 10:54 PM (2 months, 19 days ago)

I'd like to nominate SolidLog as thread MVP.

I learned my lesson on posting anything serious in political threads, most of political posting online isn't worth the power and memory on the servers.


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    #868667 - 08/31/24 11:26 PM (2 months, 19 days ago)

Not like these servers have too much on them at the moment.
I would’ve never pegged you as being a political discourser.


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    #868670 - 09/01/24 06:42 AM (2 months, 18 days ago)

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    #868676 - 09/01/24 01:25 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Nothing’s gonna change if you don’t try.


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    #868682 - 09/01/24 03:05 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

I am voting for a President Kamala.  I vote Blue straight ticket.


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    #868687 - 09/02/24 05:22 PM (2 months, 17 days ago)

Quote:

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Not like these servers have too much on them at the moment.
I would’ve never pegged you as being a political discourser.





I'd say I'm probably not, I'm generally bad at it.

Not really talking about these servers, just servers in general. I find it's too easy to dehumanize the people, or oversimplify their arguments, when you're behind the veil of the interwebs. I say that from experience, having been subjected to it, and been guilty of doing it to other people in the past. :shrug:

It seems like face-to-face conversation yields better results. It's harder to disconnect the conversation being had from the humans engaging in it when you are looking them in the eye. It's also easier to realize that most working-class Americans want what they believe is best for the country and its citizens, but through different circumstances, experiences, and trusted sources of information, have arrived at different conclusions on how to achieve that common goal. Sure, there are always some wackos on either side that everyone can point to and say "you see, they're all crazy/stupid/evil" but that's generally not how the common voter feels.

All that said, I've yet to change any minds in a fundamental way using either tactic. If anything, the only functionally positive effect I've managed (or at least, I think I have) is to convince people that the voters have more in common than they think, and hopefully that helps to chill out the level of polarization a little. Maybe that's all wishful thinking on my part. :dumblol:

Anyway, yea the last few years I've tried to steer clear of overtly political conversation online. Every once in a while I get dragged into a social issue shit-flinging, but I'm also getting tired of those too. Hopefully I can eventually get back to a living situation where I can start legally growing cannabis again, and just focus on that instead of everything else online. :happyweed:


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    #868697 - 09/05/24 01:24 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

I really want federal legalization.
There’s still states where you can get sent to jail for a joint how ridiculous is that?


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    #868698 - 09/05/24 04:05 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

IMO, legalization isn’t the solution.  It paves the way for big canna, which will put the nail in the coffin for most growers who actually care about quality.  Deregulation, which is what we should be shooting for, would allow cannabis to remain a cottage industry, providing local jobs, and fostering a farm to table relationship between producers and consumers. 

Legalization comes with more rules and regulations that help prevent anyone without corporate backing from gaining a foothold in the industry. If you look at how these corporate-backed growers/dispensaries operate, you’ll see rampant pesticide use, slave wages, and dishonest safety testing.  Many will even irradiate their harvests before testing to ensure compliance.

No one should have to go to jail for growing flowers, but ill-planned legalization would be detrimental in many ways.  It isn’t growers or stoners writing the laws, it’s the suckers of corporate cock, so you can guess who the legislation would benefit the most.  We only have one shot at this, and it may already be too late, but it’s something we should fight for til the end.

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    #868699 - 09/05/24 10:02 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Quote:

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I really want federal legalization.
There’s still states where you can get sent to jail for a joint how ridiculous is that?



But yet you support a woman who is known for putting over 1500 people in prison for mj in Ca.  Interesting


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    #868701 - 09/05/24 10:48 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Do I vote for hypocrite one or two?


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    #868702 - 09/05/24 12:23 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Good point.
I side with the one who can bring an good ecom, and stop illegals entering our nation.

Not the one who wants to refer to illegals as undocumented. And plans on trying to give then citizenship and fund then and give then housing at tax payers cost.


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    #868704 - 09/05/24 05:12 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Tim Walz is definitely pro legalization.
I don’t fully support everything about anybody.
But holy shit between her and Donald Trump the 34 twice impeached felon. It’s not even a contest. It’s a landslide. Of course I’m voting for the legal prosecutor over the criminal.
It is not tit for tat or 50-50.
No other president in our countries history has ever tried to steal an election the way he did.

Do you think there’s just a Civil War happening in New Mexico like Donald Trump says? Because there has been a six month low for people coming over the border you know that right?

Or are you just listening to his hysterical ramblings after he literally sabotaged by partisan support for the border?


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    #868705 - 09/05/24 05:18 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Also, I find the waffle rhetoric to not really stand up to any scrutiny.

You just told me that she’s well known for locking up a lot of people. Why is there a bunch of rhetoric going around that she’s soft on crime? That doesn’t really connect very well does it?
You told me that she soft on the border. She tried to pass that bipartisan bill for the border.
So that doesn’t make any sense.

Elon Musk is just using AI to try and generate fake images to lie to try and get his cabinet position. The whole thing has just become pretty goddamn gross. I can’t understand how anyone would support that ticket.

After the guy lost $720 million in value on his company. Trump wants to put him in charge of companies to an extent.
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    #868708 - 09/05/24 06:12 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

:rofl:

Yes soft on crime if you're illegal or gang banger or cartel.  Hard on mj and black men fact. Even with held evidence to put and keep a inocent man in prison until the court forced her to provide it. Freeing the poor guy.

For 3.5 years she did nothing at the bolder. The bill you speak of would have allawed millions to cross unchecked and would have spent millions on wars we most likely shouldn't be funding.I love it when people only read one part of a bill.

Those fellonies wouldn't have been fe llonies it his name wasn't D. J. Trump. In fact first time in history those charges weren't nistermeaners.

I learned long ago the media isn't a great source for into because even they take sides.Harris's book is all telling on her and who she sees herself as. Tried to tell you I'm not listening to others opinions of her. Only hers.  Her career is easy to view. The dem party is selling her as an entirely different person.  One of the things that made me laugh 4 years ago was her being named Biden's VP after she called him a racist in n live debate after Tulsi Gabbard de stroyed her by using her record against her. Was funny shit.
What really sucks is we only got T and H to choose from.I really vish both parties had choosen different people. Because If It wins things will continue going down hill. If T wins it will be another 4 year drang fest. But with . re covering ecom and a locked bolder. But a drama fest non the less.


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    #868711 - 09/05/24 09:36 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

I don’t understand why people think that just because he was the president he could commit any felony he felt like.

Everyone should be held to the law. Otherwise laws meaningless. I thought you would understand that being on a site like this. Having somebody just fragrantly break the law just because they wanna be more rich than they already are so they lie on a bunch of forms that they’re filling out in taxes in New York State. That is a federal crime. Everyone knows that you don’t lie about hundreds of thousands of dollars in property value. Especially if you were somebody who is under a lot of scrutiny like the president. How stupid would you have to be to try and do something like that?
Regular people would be in prison right now if they’d committed those crimes.

The only reason he’s not in prison is because he is Donald J Trump.


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    #868712 - 09/05/24 09:44 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Trying to overthrow the United States of America’s democracy and you’re trying to compare that to a prosecutor putting people into jail. Doing their job.

What a laughable argument. his economy was a shambles, and he destroyed by partisan bill to protect the border. I can prove that Joe Biden’s economy has been stronger than Donald Trump, but we are experiencing that.
Interest rates are about to drop.

I don’t see how cutting a bunch of billionaires taxes would possibly benefit us in anyway.
if they were paying taxes that would help fund everything. So I’m never going to support people trying to cut their taxes. They need to pay more taxes.

There are very few things that I see that are compelling about Donald Trump.
The only thing I can see that seems to be getting people excited is his promise of mass deportations.
Which is just outright racist. If people really demand that an entire race of people be removed from this country that is Nazi/fascism propaganda.

I would never be able to support somebody that wants to turn my democracy into a fascist state. I just can’t imagine anybody would. If they did, I suppose it would have to be for one of the things that he is running for. Which don’t seem like things that align with what I want my country to stand for. Like racism.


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    #868713 - 09/05/24 11:16 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

What Is laughable is that you think only one race crossed the border. Puts a smile on my face.

Now you sound like Harris of old. But now she's stealing Trumps agendaS saying build the wall and no tax on tips.
Good evening fella. And no one has done prison time for any of those 34 fellonies ever. In fact other than Trump all those charged before him were reduced to Mis doe's.


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    #868716 - 09/06/24 09:04 AM (2 months, 13 days ago)

Never said that. You just wanted me to so you’re going to pretend I did.


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    #868718 - 09/06/24 12:17 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

[mass deportations.
Which is just outright racist. If people really demand that an entire race of people be removed from this country ]

you didn't say that???:rolleyes:

keep believing your left wins media. It's your right too. If half of what you said is true Trump don't even need to win. He's already running things right.

Funny how all forget in 2016 when Trump won. Dem supporters ripped DC apart burning cars in the streets, busting up stores, and businesses. Then later in his rain dem told rioters to burn their cities.

Trump asked for a peaceful protest. Some didn't listen so hes a bad guy and then dem are what heros?

And surprise I hope you're right and interest intes drop. But that In no why makes the past 3.5 years of Biden nomics better than Trump's econ. Sorry bud but you're just grasping at strawS now.

Like saying she was doing her job when she knowingly withheld evidence to keep an innocent man in prison. In my opinion she should have got prison time for that.

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    #868719 - 09/06/24 05:01 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

Wait, so you don’t know that there are rallies for the mass deportation of groups of people from our country? Because that’s a major running point for Donald Trump and has been for a couple months.
I can post a video if you don’t believe me.

Donald Trump never won the popular vote.
The electoral college system is a scam.
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    #868725 - 09/06/24 07:16 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

So ignoring all of this bullshit and asking a question:

If Trump gets elected, how likely is it that he will work to implement the majority of the claimed actions laid out in Project 2025, and what are everyone's opinion of how much success he will have if so?


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    #868727 - 09/06/24 08:06 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

Humm look at the smart gy asking a real question. And thank you.



I Honestly 1/4 at best. Because much of it will require support from both house and senate. I doubt he'll got much house support with out a lot of give and take something Trump isn't known for, at least by going off the first 4 years.  I do agree that FDA needs reworked doubt it'll happen tho.  But the past shows he'll hit the ground running. At least with him We know where he intends to go.

If Harris wins what is gonna do? Has she even posted an agenda yet? I Haven't checked her site in a day or two.


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    #868730 - 09/06/24 08:28 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

2/3
Depends how much of the military would listen no matter what.

I have a higher percentage because I considered the supreme court decision as something Trump would capitalize on.


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    #868731 - 09/06/24 10:04 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

OK so Stoneth, what parts of Project 2025 do you actually support as a good move for the country, and are there any parts of it that give you a "meh, that doesn't really align with my values" feeling?

GenesisCorrupted, I haven't had time to look into this because of my work situation, do you have any links you could provide that would give everyone a good idea of Harris's agenda if she were elected? If so, same questions apply that I've put forward to Stoney about Project 2025.

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    #868734 - 09/07/24 08:02 AM (2 months, 12 days ago)

Quote:

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What Is laughable is that you think only one race crossed the border. Puts a smile on my face.

Now you sound like Harris of old. But now she's stealing Trumps agendaS saying build the wall and no tax on tips.
Good evening fella. And no one has done prison time for any of those 34 fellonies ever. In fact other than Trump all those charged before him were reduced to Mis doe's.



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    #868739 - 09/07/24 12:24 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

None of plan 2025 is something that aligns with my beliefs.
Removing people and replacing them with toadies doesn’t sound like government to me.
There’s also discussion about tracking women’s menstruation cycles to find out when they get pregnant. That’s completely breaching peoples privacy. It’s disgusting that would be even put on paper. The whole document is absolutely diabolical in my opinion.

Which is the opposite of Kamala Harris who is running on women’s rights & abortion. She is making that a major point of her campaign.
Here are some of the statements she’s been making.


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    #868740 - 09/07/24 12:26 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

I know a lot of people aren’t political. They wouldn’t even consider watching a debate.
But this debate promises to be a spectacle. The one between Trump and Biden last time was a hell of a thing to watch. This one might be even more entertaining.


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    #868742 - 09/07/24 01:26 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

Ever met a lawyer that you truly liked? Well 98% of our politicians are scumbag lawyers. We need TRUE representation if we are to ever get anywhere


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    #868743 - 09/07/24 06:13 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

I want somebody who knows how to do the job and can confidently accomplish that.

Not somebody “who represents people” and has no idea what they’re doing. Competency matters.

Donald Trump is an incompetent fool who had no idea what he was doing and almost ruined our democracy trying to steal the job back that he did not earn the first time. There’s also very good chance that he is demented. I haven’t heard him answer A question directly in years. I don’t think he can. The popular vote is more important than the electoral college map which is gerrymandered all the time.

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    #868753 - 09/08/24 08:55 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)

I got lit off herbs this morning and saw the Sign in The Sun that Harris will be the next President.


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    #868761 - 09/08/24 04:19 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Just wait until you see this debate.
:lol:
I still feel like there’s a 25% chance maybe more. That Donald Trump is not going to go to this regardless of how bad the excuse ends up being.


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    #868762 - 09/08/24 04:49 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Since almost everything he says is either a lie or baseless, he is going to get cold checked.
I heard he wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and control interest rates, printing money and all that himself.
People don't realize how bad he is.


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Basically that means poor people get reamed solid log style.


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    #868830 - 09/11/24 12:23 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

That was everything I could’ve hoped for and more. Donald Trump did such a shitty job. It was remarkable. He became unhinged and started barking lies.

At some point, he said people were eating dogs.

When asked about the insurrection, he started talking about China.

When asked what he would do if he removed Obamacare, he said he has the concepts of a plan but not really because “I’m not the president right now”

He refuses to do another debate and he’s asking for ABC News to be forcibly closed by the government.

He’s a crybaby fascist and had it proven to anyone who is willing to watch this.

Most Republicans that I know refused to because they knew he would do a terrible job.
Here it is.
I promise you it was entertaining. It was funny. It was upsetting. But it was an excellent performance from Kamala Harris and an absolutely terrible one from Trump.

At one point, he said that people were murdering newborns And said that Kamala Harris was going to kill every auto worker in America.

He also repeatedly asked where Joe Biden was and started attacking Joe Biden, even though he’s not running for president anymore.
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    #868832 - 09/11/24 01:32 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

Trump needs an office job in NYC with a hot secretary.


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    #868837 - 09/11/24 06:05 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

:rofl:
No one won that shit show of a so called debate.
US voters lost big time. It was a one sided three on one witch hunt at best. She was aloud to lie not once fact checked, the mods lied and held her hand the whole way.
Trump ended the right way pointing out how she should have done something in the past 3.5 years. And all she's done is let illegals in and give them tax payers dollars and jobs US citizens needed.

And on a side note Data The Herriage Foundation's Project 2025 is not Trump's plan. It was written in 2027 when even repubicans could've have known that Trump would be on the ticket. Also I would not support a pure Christian nation.


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    #868839 - 09/11/24 09:34 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

He's running on an ignorant hate message.  He tried to have some real issues in his first campaign in 2016.  I watched his campaign and couldn't believe anyone voted for him.  Now he runs the party!


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    #868840 - 09/12/24 02:00 AM (2 months, 8 days ago)

You just like Harris because she wants to decimalize crack and fethol. Hand out sex changes to illegals and convicts.:rofl: And let's not forget the manitory gun buy backs.


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Quote:

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:rofl:
No one won that shit show of a so called debate.
US voters lost big time. It was a one sided three on one witch hunt at best. She was aloud to lie not once fact checked, the mods lied and held her hand the whole way.
Trump ended the right way pointing out how she should have done something in the past 3.5 years. And all she's done is let illegals in and give them tax payers dollars and jobs US citizens needed.

And on a side note Data The Herriage Foundation's Project 2025 is not Trump's plan. It was written in 2027 when even repubicans could've have known that Trump would be on the ticket. Also I would not support a pure Christian nation.




OK yea I've seen and read that he's trying to distance himself from Project 2025. That would be tough if the former officials from his presidential administration who worked to develop project 2025 were to be reappointed to the next administration, but that's also highly dependent on which positions they are appointed to.

So I've just recently visited the agenda47 web page and kinda scrolled through the titles and descriptions of his videos. The majority of it sounds like standard political promises that are almost always overpromised and underdelivered, but again nothing too out of line for a politician. Some of the points, like creating a federally funded university and degree system that directly competes with existing universities, or using Schedule F and Impoundment to remove employees of the federal government and to block the allocation of alreafy federally approved funding to programs and projects, without much objective detail on how those decisions will be made, those cause me a little concern. Messing around with higher educational systems that are used to determine if someone has the knowledge and skills to perform complex jobs can complicate things significantly, and un/under qualified people working certain jobs can be disastrous for sectors like utilities and infrastructure.

One of the reasons that consolidation of powers like this into any one person or any one branch of government is and should be met with skepticism and pushback, is because there's no real accountability for the president for the next 4 years as long as they keep their party in line to avoid removal from office after impeachment, so a candidate can say "trust me I'll do the right thing if you give me the power" and then do whatever they want for the next 4 years. Additionally, the next president could use that newfound power to quickly reshape the government and its path in a way that may be completely opposed to your views. It's one of the reasons I've been against Biden adding Supreme Court justices to balance out the current right-majority, because it would set the stage for the Supreme Court to be part of the regular administrative overhaul when a new president is elected.

So I guess my question for you (Stoneth) is what parts of agenda47 do you agree with, and is there any part of trumps official agenda for 2025 that you foresee as a potential problem in the 2025 to 2028 administration, or has potential to cause problems down the road if those agenda points are abused by the next Democrat president. For those issues, what viewpoint do you take to keep you voting for Trump in the upcoming elections?

Genesis, same question for Harris. I'm sure we all realize that neither candidate is a perfect fit, and there are some deviation between who we are as people and what we support, and our respective presidential candidate's agenda for the next 4 years. Let's spend a little time airing out our own concerns for the candidate we support and why we are still voting for them in spite of those concerns.


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    #868848 - 09/12/24 10:22 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

That's how you fix their wagon 100% full on.
It is my main issue in my Presidential Campaign.
Also, I am building the ten wall system along the border.
Ten walls in a row is impossible to breach and Gunmen shoot you on sight.
You just can't be illegal in our country any more.
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    #868852 - 09/12/24 02:01 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

E.T. identifies as a woman...

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:rofl:
No one won that shit show of a so called debate.
US voters lost big time. It was a one sided three on one witch hunt at best. She was aloud to lie not once fact checked, the mods lied and held her hand the whole way.
Trump ended the right way pointing out how she should have done something in the past 3.5 years. And all she's done is let illegals in and give them tax payers dollars and jobs US citizens needed.

And on a side note Data The Herriage Foundation's Project 2025 is not Trump's plan. It was written in 2027 when even repubicans could've have known that Trump would be on the ticket. Also I would not support a pure Christian nation.





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You just like Harris because she wants to decimalize crack and fethol. Hand out sex changes to illegals and convicts.:rofl: And let's not forget the manitory gun buy backs.








aloud? decimalize? manitory? 

Come on, man...there's even a spellcheck button to use.

Also, do you frequent newsmax or truthsocial?

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    #868855 - 09/12/24 02:16 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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    #868856 - 09/12/24 02:25 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

:heythereyou:


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I took Nifflerz 1 month self-ban challenge :shrug:


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    #868858 - 09/12/24 03:51 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

LOL spell check and my eye sight on smart phone equals headache and waste of time.

Will have to check out newsmax.

I'll only ever admit to frequenting growery and Otd.

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I took Nifflerz 1 month self-ban challenge :shrug:





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The system is rigged, we all lose no matter what.


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I don’t recommend it.

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    #868895 - 09/13/24 06:29 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

I used to watch Fox Business.  It's all Trump now.  I don't watch it any more.


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    #868914 - 09/14/24 07:46 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

I love how Republicans are in so much denial now they think that no one won the debate or that Donald Trump won it.
:lolsy:
It was absolutely the worst performance I’ve ever seen of his. There is no way in hell he even got close to coming in at 50%. He failed the hell out of that.
Here he is afterwards. He looks real proud, doesn’t he?


Anybody that watched his sloppy shit show and actually still supports him has some serious soul searching to do.
Or they’re just straight up fascist racists.
Ohio had a bomb threat called in because of him lying about Haitians eating pets.


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We need Worldwide Unity to stomp out all the criminals!


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I vote we take over the system as citizens.....again.


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I am running on the Guns Great Again Platform.


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Vance is clearcut no nonsense full of shit.


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They all are. It’s just a bunch of scumbag lawyers fighting over a dollar none of us will ever see.


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I just voted straight Blue.
I wrote myself in for Supreme Court.


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    #869333 - 10/25/24 08:57 AM (26 days, 18 hours ago)

Man ... watching this shitshow of political campain is so hillarious ... how the fuck does anyone even consider Trump as a valid and credible candidate is beyond me .... But then again I look at Canada's federal politics and we have the same type of drunken buffoon that is Pierre Polièvre and realize we're as fucked as you guys can be

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Trump is the ruler of the MAGA squad.


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Seems like you guys are stuck with a sect problem


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He runs MAGA shit with thugs.  They thug you over blood for crews who against.


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Re: The political discussion slush fund [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #869338 - 10/25/24 01:18 PM (26 days, 14 hours ago)

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Pour un instant, j'ai respiré très fort
Ça m'a permis de visiter mon corps
Des inconnus vivent en roi chez moi
Moi qui avait accepté leurs lois
J'ai perdu mon temps à gagner du temps
J'ai besoin de me trouver une histoire à me conter
Pour instant j'ai oublié mon nom
Harmonium - Pour un instant
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