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 phychotron
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you'll see a lot more large scale grows pop up as soon as growers no longer risk loosing their equipment growing illegal plants. it's very logical not to invest into a bunch of cash into equipment when your risking loosing it. the logic that "someone else doesn't use it for their application, so I wont use it for mine" is what keeps us in the stone ages, using shitty street light technology.
if you haven't used a quality LED fixture within the last year you need to stop talking about how bad led is. The only drawback is the cost. if the area isn't lit enough for you, throw another panel in there.
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Hawksresurrection
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 Re: Is this setup possible?  [Re: phychotron]
#630272 - 07/03/12 12:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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So then why aren't all the grow ops in Holland using them? Or all the University hydroponic research centers using them?
Because HID lamps are better.
Why don't you do a grow log and prove us wrong???
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 viper33802
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phychotron said:
if you haven't used a quality LED fixture within the last year you need to stop talking about how bad led is. The only drawback is the cost. if the area isn't lit enough for you, throw another panel in there.
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hawksapprentice said:
Why don't you do a grow log and prove us wrong???
I second that. I would really like to see what you can grow with a proper LED setup and how it compares to my less expensive HIDs.
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phychotron
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So then why aren't all the grow ops in Holland using them? Or all the University hydroponic research centers using them?
maybe its because they are all following your logic and waiting for someone else to try it first. But really, seldom do companies invest heavily in emerging technology--they use their equipment for as long a they can. most of the time its because its easier to keep spending like normal rather than to front a large sum on new equipment. but especially with all the controversy created with early led marketing techniques, many people are still skeptical. When the price comes down and led awareness gets around you'll see more large scale use out of it. As for now it's just recently at the point where people have dialed them in for performance. Its wise to wait a few more years to convert a large operation.
You shouldn't be afraid of being a pioneer, it's how discoveries are made. It's the hobbyists who are pushing computer technology to the extremes, not business's who just need basic performance(but get to ride the wave of upgraded hardware).
here's a collection of led growlogs @icmag. the one from user jacky brown stands out as well as the user addicted2grow has multiples in the list.
I'll have some grow logs in the future when my garden is more organized.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Is this setup possible? [Re: phychotron]
#630367 - 07/03/12 10:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Garden more organized? Just throw em up anyways....who cares if your room is messy.
And Universities are usually on the cutting edge of research......
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phychotron
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Re: Is this setup possible? [Re: viper33802]
#630373 - 07/03/12 10:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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viper33802 said:
I second that. I would really like to see what you can grow with a proper LED setup and how it compares to my less expensive HIDs.
It's actually your more expensive HID 
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phychotron
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I could post some photo's of my neglected plants, that's about it for now.
There is a lot of interest in led lighting at universities, but rarely on a large scale grow test, it's not needed. They are not the quality certification board of Chinese fixtures, they are determining the extent at which they can configure an led/fixture toward plant growth, or what specific wavelength's can do. Moreover, if hydroponics tests are going on, you would have to disrupt them in order to switch over lighting. you can only change one variable at a time in science, and if your on a longitudinal study of something specific, you wouldn't want to change a variable like that. Furthermore, since the technology is only recently emerging as a serious contender it is absurd to think 'everyone in their right mind would obviously convert immediately.' Word is just now getting out.
http://www.academicjournals.org/IJPS/PDF/pdf2012/9Mar/Chin%20and%20Chong.pdf
http://aerofarms.com/2010/03/new-led-device-sheds-light-on-aeroponics-industry/
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Is this setup possible? [Re: phychotron]
#630393 - 07/04/12 01:14 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like how they're comparing solar radiance to it. That leaves a whole lot of variables to contend with.
But like I said. One day it will be good enough to switch to.
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brainsOplenty
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phychotron, may i ask what kind of led panels you are using?
if they are so great, plug em.
i'm a bit interested in getting some to toy with.
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phychotron
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Re: Is this setup possible? [Re: brainsOplenty]
#630617 - 07/05/12 06:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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i started with some cheaper gotham hydro blackstar fixtures that are alight, but still somewhat lacking because they are half power of what they claim. ive started over to the advanced led diamond series line, i have a 400w that been better. I plan on getting two of those 400's into my 4x4 tent and move on from the blackstar, or just add them for side lighting. Every led dealer will give you a discount if you call/email them.
i've also heard good things about the es 330 from lumigrow and the platinum xl from blackdog.
dont just buy one of these fixtures, do some research and see what's right for you.
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bmac420
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When did I say that?
he was saying that to physchotron about him never seeing a quality led fixture in hydro stores...
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Pilze
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how do you live in a medical state and your hydro store doesnt have quality light fixtures?
and yea, you can't argue anything about HID vs LED.
HID always wins. i dont know of any professional growers use LEDs, including universities.
When did I say that?
sorry man, should have hit quick reply. that was directed towards phychotron
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phychotron
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Re: Is this setup possible? [Re: Pilze]
#630836 - 07/07/12 04:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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LED's are under fast development, putting a product on the market is pretty tough enough to begin with (led chips double in power every 36 months.) The one's that haven't sold yet, or have been returned have put a jam in the market. Every hydro store I've seen with LED's have one market-hyped fixture claiming big. But they all say the same thing, it's not that great of a light. It's because the claim on the box is bullshit. Overpriced and underpowered. There are a lot of options with LED, which leaves corners to cut.
LED dealers online have little overhead, no special packaging, and use fedex/ups to get you our light. Most have some special configuration they've worked out with manufacturers in china, the same one's you can start to deal with if you have a large order (and know what to order, but still gotta be cautious of shaddy chinese-chinese knockoff's with inferior parts they may try to sneak in). They are your gateway to quality control and warranty (they sometimes offer the 3yr warranty in china, but your shipping back to china is gonna cost should it be more than a power supply.) I've seen a few manufacturers in the U.S. and I'd like to see more of them, since most diodes are made in the U.S.
They are also working on spectral distribution, you see early fixtures with 2 'bands' but are now pushing 18 in some. attempting to push the lights to fit that PAR curve. Not every led is made for buds, which require a good amount of PAR light. Most of the customer base for the online led market seems to be smokers, which helps fit the lights to our plants. Because there is not a large amount of these fixtures out in hydro shops it's easy to upgrade the fixture and have it available to the market almost immediately. In the next few years the standard LED 'grow light' design will be stabilized and more widely distributed.
Again, the technology is just recently to the point that it is good for growing buds. It may not be suitable for every type of grow style, but for the average grower who wants little hassle and quality buds it's a great alternative.
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