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 This is fucking sad... 
#561015 - 06/02/11 04:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's nearly 6am, I have been tossing and turning since 1am trying desperately to sleep with no success. I have severe insomnia, had it since i was about 13 years old. I have tried over the counter and even prescription medications to help with this, but even the prescription medications work for the better part of about 2 weeks before I stop sleeping again. The only continuously-successful treatment for my insomnia seems to be cannabis. I can smoke a bowl every night before bed for months at a time, and every single night I fall right to sleep and stay asleep for at least 6 hours, usually all night. Unfortunately, it will be another year or more until I can move to a MM state, and most engineering jobs require preliminary drug screening, and most of them require random drug tests. I know I can constantly dodge bullets by having a quick detox kit on hand at all times and limiting the amount that I smoke, but god dammit I feel like if there is something out there that does minimal harm to my body, has at most a risk of psychological addiction, and ensures a healthy sleep pattern...then it should not be set up such that I have to choose between a well-paying job and a successful career...with a healthy sleep pattern, decreased insomnia-induced depression, and from what I have learned, being a more peaceful and fun-loving individual.
Whatever, all I can do is try to get by...express my concerns to my state government regarding a MM bill currently being considered, and count the days until I can move to a MM state, which is sad because I like the current state I live in (NC) it is a beautiful place at times, but if you have ever gone 4 or 5 days with no sleep, then you understand my desire for a legal route to this magical herb.
Peace brothers and sisters,
agmotes165
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 Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Data]
#561030 - 06/02/11 04:38 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i know exactly how you feel regarding insomia, up untill i started smoking herb i would be led in bed all night without a moment of sleep untill the sun started coming up. and the frustaration of not being able to sleep actually brought me to tears a couple of nights.
it really affected my school work and i cant help but think i would of done so much better in school if id have discovered herb back then.
i havent tried many medications to aid sleep, but all i know is cannabis ensures my place in the land of nod every night of the year, without fail 
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Data]
#561035 - 06/02/11 05:03 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am guessing you have already tried high doses of melatonin
Good luck getting medical marijuana for insomnia considering that marijuana is classified as a psychedelic stimulant.
I have a hard time believing that you really do smoke a bowl, then you can fall right asleep. Ive been smoking for years and have pretty bad insomnia myself. For years ive been one of the regulars of "LNC," where we'd stay up on IRC and the forums til 5-6am every single night.
I mean if you are being completely honest, then I am sorry. But I have a hard time believing that sleep medications like Xanax and Klonopin dont put you to sleep, but marijuana does.
Not saying that smoking doesnt help you STAY asleep but actually falling asleep is hard to buy.
My 2 cents.
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Picklez]
#561042 - 06/02/11 05:36 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i mean im sure xanax would work...but I have too many friends that abuse the hell outta that shit and I'm not one for permanently fucking up my brain chemistry.
My ex gf started taking that stuff all of the time and eventually broke up with me and tried to kill herself...
I have a bad family and personal history of addiction...so most prescriptions with even slight chances of addiction scare the hell outta me...I would rather not play Russian roulette with a poorly understood prescription...since even without weed I can sorta kinda live a normal life...its not fun but it's not a shitstorm of prescription abuse. idk I would prefer to just smoke weed. And on that matter, I run on about 5 to 7 hours max sleep per night, work all day, workout after work, and I have shit to do around the house...at the end of the day I am so tired it hurts, but I will not be able to slip into a sleep coma unless I get that nice, comfortable push from a bowl of herb. Now I do admit I take that bowl to the face with as big a bong rip as I can handle, but usually it is just one bowl a night during the week.
Melatonin helps...but even if I take the maximum safe dosage I get about 4 hours of sleep.
Peace,
agmotes165
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Data]
#561043 - 06/02/11 05:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not a doctor, but I played one on T.V.... I would prescribe hard work, and a clean conscience. And a joint.
Works for me...
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Hendershot]
#561046 - 06/02/11 06:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Luckily my brain is all fucked up and I have occasional migraines...also residual pain from a 25 foot fall to concrete...so whenever I move I have a few reasons for my medical card...I hope 
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Data]
#561094 - 06/02/11 09:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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no offense but it sounds like you are psychologically addicted to marijuana
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Hendershot]
#561187 - 06/02/11 01:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hendershot said:
I would prescribe hard work, and a clean conscience. And a joint.
Works for me...
This!
Getting physically tired is a must! Since being laid off, I have become quite the insomniac myself. But while I was working, typically fell asleep in my recliner most times before 9pm.
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: SpaceMonkey]
#561189 - 06/02/11 01:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i am actually usually an insomniac but recently i have been getting excellent sleep... and it's because i've been smoking less weed, mate.
just thought you might wanna take that into consideration.
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Data]
#561192 - 06/02/11 01:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I alternate taking a bunch of benadryl and smoking a few bowls before bed, and falling asleep naturally.
That way, if I run out of either one, I'm not dependent on it to sleep.
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: RasJeph]
#561250 - 06/02/11 02:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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no offense but it sounds like you are psychologically addicted to marijuana
dude...just saying...this has been happening since I was 13...didn't start smoking on the regular until last year...Age 23 
And I didn't say I wasnt psychologically addicted, I know I am, weed is wonderful  ...but I haven't smoked in a week straight, no cravings to smoke or anything...I was just making a connection b/w the fact that when I don't smoke I average 0-4 hours a night of sleep, with stints as long as 3 days with no sleep, and when I do smoke I average about 6-7 hours of sleep a night and have been known to sleep 10 hours on weekends if I smoke a lot. 
And when I get up in the morning, I typically start my day around 6 or 7am, go for a 3, 5, or 8 mile run depending on what day it is...work outside tending to a garden and chores around the apartment in the afternoon, swim laps in the evening, eat right, bla bla bla. I assure you I have tried everything but hardcore prescriptions (I do not like prescription drugs that mess with neurochemistry). Including meditation, excercise, diet changes, herbal teas and incense, melatonin, I have even tried ambien (sp?), which puts me to sleep but I wake up every 30 minutes because it causes horrible nightmares. 
I was just pointing out that all of this could be solved if I could just smoke a little in the evenings to help me mellow out and get to sleep without worrying about losing my job or getting arrested, it helps regulate my sleeping patterns, assures that I will get an adequate amount of sleep so that I can perform my job on a full night's rest instead of 200-400mg of caffeine or some bullshit stimulant to try and keep me awake after I have gone 2 or 3 days with no sleep. Idk
peace,
agmotes165
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: RasJeph]
#561252 - 06/02/11 02:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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RasJeph said:
I alternate taking a bunch of benadryl and smoking a few bowls before bed, and falling asleep naturally.
That way, if I run out of either one, I'm not dependent on it to sleep.
lol HA! good luck with that!1
(fucking benadryl just make me sedate and meditative in times of insomnia...)
and agmotes, sounds like you've got an overactive mind, bud.
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eNtranceAsexit said:
and agmotes, sounds like you've got an overactive mind, bud.
 my brain never stops, never 
also I probably should mention that my mother has the same insomnia issues, same bad reaction to opiates, same dimishing return effect on sleeping drugs, etc. She has been to several sleep specialists and they can't seem to find something that works...it started around 15 or so years ago, she's pretty much bonkers from constant lack of sleep now.
Fatal Familial Insomnia anyone? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_familial_insomnia
I'm not nearly as bad off as my mom is, because sooner or later I get so exhausted that I'll eventually sleep, she consistantly gets <4 hours of sleep a night all the time, no matter what...ugh
peace,
agmotes165
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Data]
#561255 - 06/02/11 02:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuck that sucks, my mom is sorta fatigued all the time, too... 
wtf is up with a brain? i can be in bed laying still for hours and still not fall asleep. i've gotten freakin' good at it, by now. =(
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me too brother me too...and I know that my constant stream of ideas and thoughts and plans are keeping me from sleeping but I can't get it to stop...oh wells most of my best ideas come to me around 3am...and its nice that I can just calmly get up and write them down and ponder them a little more before trying to go to sleep again 
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Data]
#561272 - 06/02/11 03:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, my best ideas come either before bed or right after getting out of bed.
once i work into my day i lose that flat conceptuality i feel in those times...
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eNtranceAsexit said:
i am actually usually an insomniac but recently i have been getting excellent sleep... and it's because i've been smoking less weed, mate.
just thought you might wanna take that into consideration.
just wanted to add in, same for me. Ive always had insomnia but i think weed maybe throws my mind even more into hyperactive mode.
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Skatealex2]
#561373 - 06/02/11 07:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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this is what the legal smoke blends do to me...spins me up...also a crapton of good sativa will keep me up...but 50% indica or greater will knock my ass to slumberland
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RasJeph
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eNtranceAsexit said:
(fucking benadryl just make me sedate and meditative in times of insomnia...)
I find that it doesn't really make me sleep, but it really helps me sleep through the whole night.
I do always wake up feeling fuzzy though, even if I only take 2 of them to sleep.
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: RasJeph]
#561484 - 06/03/11 06:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I took benadryl for a few nights to help me sleep during my pain med withdrawals; really helped. 
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Re: This is fucking sad... [Re: Hendershot]
#561512 - 06/03/11 10:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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yea they use to dose me up on liquid benadryl and atavan through my IV when i was in the hospital to help me sleep...after about 5 minutes I couldn't keep my eyes open but then it made me trip out and have crazy dreams. shit was nuts 
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