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 dmtcorey
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 storing the pheno 
#524920 - 02/08/11 06:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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when making feminized seeds, will using two cutting from the same mother result in the seed stock being that same pheno as the mother ?
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dmtcorey
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Re: storing the pheno [Re: dmtcorey]
#525041 - 02/08/11 09:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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im %90 sure this is right but i would like to confirm it from somebody who has more experience
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strangladesh
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Re: storing the pheno [Re: dmtcorey]
#525292 - 02/09/11 01:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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what about using ga3 to hermie the plant and self pollinate it then do the same with the kids from that will they eventually become stable?
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RasJeph
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Not the same exact, no. All seeds have the potential to be similar, but it doesn't work that way unfortunately.
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 Magash
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Re: storing the pheno [Re: RasJeph]
#525686 - 02/10/11 08:31 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow we have been going over this a lot lately. That's a good thing. 
Well I've given this answer in two other post but it seems to fit here.
(This is the long version of what RasJeph just told ya  )
Remember that if you self a bubba kush that the seeds still are not bubba kush. Even selfed plants can show traits that are not in the strain but are part of the parents makeup.
As I've said before this is where breeders make money. There is no such thing as a strain called Bubba Kush, Granddaddy Purple, Purps, Trainwreck, Yadda yadda yadda they are the name of certain plants. The only way to get real Bubba, Granddaddy and the others is if you manage to get a cutting that came from the original plants.
Now the way they do it in Holland.
Somebody crosses Super Skunk with Wonder Woman and calls it super Girl. Now you go out and get Super Skunk seeds and grow them out and get some Wonder Woman seeds and grow them out. You manage to find two great females one of each strain. You cross them, do you have Super Girl? No, you have a knockoff. The only way to get Super Girl if is you have the original parent plants.
In other word in Cali it's common to name a plant that a person thinks is killer. What that means is say I grow out a killer Lavender plant. I decide that this one plant is gonna be called Mags Lavender Lady and start to give out cuttings of it. Somehow it manages to get around and wa-la a new med strain.
Now in Amsterdam its a little different. They tend to cross two parent plants and give the name to the entire batch of seeds that came from the parent plants that is why with their strains you get phenos. You buy AK-47 and some look like sativa and some look like indica and some in between.
You don't hear about phenos with the Cali med strains. There isn't a sativa leaning Granddaddy or Bubba or OG. Have two Granddaddy plants and they don't look alike (common with Amsterdam strains) then one or both are not true Granddaddy.
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Re: storing the pheno [Re: Magash]
#525714 - 02/10/11 11:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice info, just learned something new 
So let me get this straight though.
Basically if you're getting a seed from a specific strain say in this case its Grandaddy. That seed from the granddaddy isn't exactly the same strain but just an iteration of it? Not an exact copy?
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dmtcorey
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Re: storing the pheno [Re: Magash]
#525715 - 02/10/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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ahahha ,i like to learn it stoned and then unstoned ,i find it fuses in my brain better ,i acually posted this post and nobody commented ,and then i seen there was another post posted about something similer, so i thought well hey ,ill see if i can get my anwser to this post in the other post ,but yes thanks for the comments guys ,i have got the point ~
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RasJeph
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Re: storing the pheno [Re: DRAGON]
#525716 - 02/10/11 11:54 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
DRAGON said:Basically if you're getting a seed from a specific strain say in this case its Grandaddy. That seed from the granddaddy isn't exactly the same strain but just an iteration of it? Not an exact copy?
Yeah  It can have traits of whatever the "grandparents" are.
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Re: storing the pheno [Re: RasJeph]
#525730 - 02/10/11 12:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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what i was ssaying though if I self pollinate over and over can i get the traits close enough were the plant will look similar.
Thats not exactly how they make strains they will cross multiple times the Inbreed to get the traits narrowed down. I know they can never be like clones but wont it be a faster process to self pollinate over and over. Im going to do some experiments with ga3 to get hermies and pollinate ill keep you all posted.
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RasJeph
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Hmmm, I think I see what you're getting at.
Like, self pollinate, grow them out and pick out a "winner", self pollinate that one, and on and on?
It seems the seeds produced every generation *might* have more chances of being more like the one you selected, but I'm sure narrowing it down would take a long long long long time.
Maybe not. I'm rather new to this myself, we'll see what Magash or someone with more experience says.
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Magash
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Quote:
strangladesh said:
what i was ssaying though if I self pollinate over and over can i get the traits close enough were the plant will look similar.
Thats not exactly how they make strains they will cross multiple times the Inbreed to get the traits narrowed down. I know they can never be like clones but wont it be a faster process to self pollinate over and over. Im going to do some experiments with ga3 to get hermies and pollinate ill keep you all posted.
Yes you can get the plants so they are very uniform and have the same traits but it takes time. You are now trying to make a strain that is called a IBL rather then a F1 which most strains are.
Example of a true IBL strain
Skunk #1
Bubble Gum
AF #1
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Re: storing the pheno [Re: Magash]
#525758 - 02/10/11 01:37 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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but will it be quicker by crossing it with its self?
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