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#470090 - 08/30/10 06:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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California voters will soon be going to the polls to make a statement on the personal use of cannabis. If you live in California, please make sure to vote. If you know someone who lives in California, please give them a call or send them an email encouraging them to support this important piece of legislation.
Here is a portion of a fairly gentle post I submitted elsewhere to people who have been arguing against Proposition 19. If you frequent other websites and see people fighting against this legalization, consider posting the following in response:
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Prohibition does not work. There is no denying that a demand for marijuana exists, and that it cannot be eliminated simply because we make the marijuana illegal. People will find a way to procure their substance of choice, so wouldn't it be better to take the marijuana industry out of the hands of the black market? In doing so, we will undoubtedly see flat to decreased use amongst adolescents, as the substance will not be as popular amongst illicit drug dealers since the exorbitant profit margin will collapse, and kids will have a hard time buying from vendors that ask for proof of age.
Furthermore, law enforcement can quit wasting their time feeding the prison industrial complex by pursuing non-violent crimes related to marijuana, and can instead focus on the crimes that are actually hurting people. This should help reverse the disgusting fact that our country has the highest percentage of incarcerated citizens out of any country on this entire planet, which will save our state and local government much needed money; all while preserving a harmless personal freedom.
Not withstanding the fact that marijuana is substantially less toxic than alcohol (and non-addicting), it is up to adults to make responsible decisions as to how much they will use, just as they do with any other intoxicating substance. Attempting to police morality and personal choice is simply wrong. We need to take a more realistic stance on drug use in this country. People will do it regardless of its legal status. Control the substance, thereby making it as safe as possible for the consumer, while generating additional tax revenue that would otherwise be lost to criminal enterprise, and help curb the incredible waste in the criminal justice system that arises out of these absolutely futile prohibitionary laws.
If you really want to get involved, consider making calls to young absentee voters in California from your own phone at your leisure. It's really easy to do, and after the first few calls it's total cake! Just be relaxed and respectful, these are normal people. In fact, most of the calls you'll make through JustSayNow will go straight to answering machine.
Here's the script I wrote for myself:Quote:
Hi ____,
My name is ____ and I'm calling because I see that you are registered to vote as an absentee and I just want to make sure that you and everyone else in your household will in fact vote by tomorrow.
I apologize if you've already received calls about this, but I'm really just trying to get people to support Proposition 19, the legalize, tax and regulate marijuana initiative. Prop 19 is designed to treat marijuana pretty much the same as alcohol, which will allow the police and our criminal justice system to focus on violent crimes instead of the non-violent crimes.
This will in turn reduce the prison population which is already WAY over capacity, and should even generate some solid tax revenue for the state and local governments.
Prop 19 is really aimed at protecting consumers while reducing the profits obtained by illegal drug dealers.
I mean, there IS a demand for marijuana in this country, and for 70 years marijuana prohibition has done NOTHING to reduce that demand.
But I'll tell you, tons of money has been wasted all while taking away freedom from the people who get caught using or growing this substance; a substance that incidentally, is less toxic than alcohol AND non-addicting.
Just to clear up some misconceptions, this will not make it legal to drive under the influence. If a pot user is pulled over while driving and fails a field sobriety test, they will have their car impounded and they will have to face the consequences through the court system.
What Prop 19 will do is preserve personal freedom for responsible adults while cleaning up some of the waste in our criminal justice system.
So I thank you for hearing me out and if you haven't voted already, please make sure that you do, and please support prop 19!
Take care and have a nice day.
The race is very tight, but there is definitely a real chance of this passing.  It would be a significant step toward getting federal prohibition repealed!
www.thenewleaf.org www.yeson19.com
// Original post submitted August 30, 2010:
Friends of cannabis! The People of the State of California will present Proposition 19 on this November's election ballot and I would urge everyone to make sure that you are registered to vote (and if you are not, you can fill out/print/mail this registration form) in order to participate in this November's election. The deal:- Proposition 19 - The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010
Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use. Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older. Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old. Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired.
Summary of estimated fiscal impact: Savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments on the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Unknown but potentially major tax, fee, and benefit assessment revenues to state and local government related to the production and sale of marijuana products.
M'lady and I attended the "Know Your Rights" expo in Anaheim this past weekend, and it was disappointing to see the low turnout and predominantly sales-oriented roster of attendees. However, we did get to listen to some informative speakers, both for and against the proposition (including Judge Jim Gray, whom you may remember from some of my older spam!).
I would greatly prefer this proposition to be as simple as "removing all existing laws pertaining to marijuana." But in reality, this type of legislation has little chance of passing unless the public can be assured that it will help to prevent children from having ready access to the substance, while simultaneously ensuring the integrity of the product available to adults. Sadly, I don't believe that the issue of non-violent citizens being sent to jail and their families as a result being extremely strained carries enough weight by itself... even though this issue is at the heart of law enforcement expenses that have helped to send our state's budget into dire straits, in addition to making our country one which houses 5% of the total world population but 25% of the world's prisoners!
I wish we didn't have to offer the concession of instituting a sin tax upon marijuana (akin to alcohol and tobacco), which seems likely to happen given the way that Prop 19 has been worded. Nevertheless, I am happy to support legislation that works toward reducing the atrocities that have been committed against so many non-violent citizens on account of our perversely harmful and antiquated prohibition drug laws.
There is a demand for cannabis in this country. Criminalizing the substance has done nothing to stop it, yet has been responsible for wasting unbelievable billions of dollars while ruining the lives of millions of normal people like you and me. In two words, it's fucked! Let's do something about it. Please help encourage sensible drug policy.

On October 6th, I sent out this email to all of my friends and family, and would encourage you to do the same:
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Friends & Family! I just wanted to take a moment to encourage everyone to speak with their own friends and families about this important issue. Voting against Proposition 19 would maintain a status quo that directly hurts tens of thousands of people in California every year who face legal consequences on account of the prohibitionary laws governing their personal use of marijuana. It is an absolute travesty that our financially strapped state has been forced to continue this strain on our entire criminal justice system, just to hunt down and prosecute non-violent marijuana offenders. Our state legislature recognized this fact when Governor Schwarzenegger signed SB 1449 into law last week, effectively reducing the penalty for public use of pot from a misdemeanor (requiring a court appearance and criminal record) to an infraction (which is the same class as a parking ticket - no court appearance, no court costs, and no criminal record). Beyond that, people who fear these laws against cannabis will often turn to less safe legal alternatives such as the synthetic JWH compounds found in K2 and Spice over the counter herbal blends, which have been reported to produce adverse health affects and have a very short history of use. Untainted marijuana on the other hand is extremely low in toxicity and holds a long history of safe use. Please remember to vote yes on Proposition 19, and forward this email to family and friends who may have a misunderstanding of the real issues here. The latest polls are showing passable support for proposition 19, but the only poll that matters is the one on November 2nd! Some interesting and related commentary:
I hope everyone is enjoying the rain!

Thanks for reading, ~Mike

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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: ReallyNotANarc] 2
#494047 - 11/01/10 11:48 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guys, let's ramp up the fight here. This is something that I'm sure 99% of the members on this site have been dreaming of, an actual government action toward the legalization of marijuana!!
Don't sit on your hands. Talk to your friends and family, encourage them to support prop 19, and please if you have some extra time, try making a few calls at http://www.justsaynow.com -- it's really easy to do. I've been doing it for the last hour or so and 90% of the calls go straight to voice mail, where you can just leave a to-the-point reminder that you're hoping the person votes and that they'll support prop 19.
Remember that if you do call, these are just regular people like you and me. Tell them "Good Morning", ask them how they're doing or how they feel about the issue. Just start a dialogue and don't get angry or sad if they hang up or don't agree with you. Just be patient, understanding, and continue to fight the good fight!
Here is the script I wrote for myself as a general guideline (and pretty much an exact script for whenever I hit an answering machine - which is most of the time):
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Hi ____,
My name is ____ and I'm calling because I see that you are registered to vote as an absentee and I just want to make sure that you and everyone else in your household will in fact vote by tomorrow.
I apologize if you've already received calls about this, but I'm really just trying to get people to support Proposition 19, the legalize, tax and regulate marijuana initiative. Prop 19 is designed to treat marijuana pretty much the same as alcohol, which will allow the police and our criminal justice system to focus on violent crimes instead of the non-violent crimes.
This will in turn reduce the prison population which is already WAY over capacity, and should even generate some solid tax revenue for the state and local governments.
Prop 19 is really aimed at protecting consumers while reducing the profits obtained by illegal drug dealers.
I mean, there IS a demand for marijuana in this country, and for 70 years marijuana prohibition has done NOTHING to reduce that demand.
But I'll tell you, tons of money has been wasted all while taking away freedom from the people who get caught using or growing this substance; a substance that incidentally, is less toxic than alcohol AND non-addicting.
Just to clear up some misconceptions, this will not make it legal to drive under the influence. If a pot user is pulled over while driving and fails a field sobriety test, they will have their car impounded and they will have to face the consequences through the court system.
What Prop 19 will do is preserve personal freedom for responsible adults while cleaning up some of the waste in our criminal justice system.
So I thank you for hearing me out and if you haven't voted already, please make sure that you do, and please support prop 19!
Take care and have a nice day.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Dephect] 2
#512007 - 01/08/11 05:04 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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There will be NO bill passed regarding the legalization of marijuana that dis-allows big business to get in on the action.
That is a FACT that you will NEVER avoid.
If the mom and pop growers are giving a quality product at a decent price, then they won't go out of business
look at all of the micro breweries that are making a profit
same situation with weed
If weed is to ever become legal then big business will be in the game too
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: niteowl] 2
#512532 - 01/10/11 09:56 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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They done be smokin' too much! 
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: T-Rex] 1
#470307 - 08/31/10 09:49 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr.Kite. I think they were saying to bad they do not live in cali is because they can not vote to help them out, did you think that might be what they were saying?
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: FRACTALife] 1
#478914 - 09/18/10 05:03 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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 Too bad im not in Cali.
I can't fucking wait if it goes legal though.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Shaggy420] 1
#479290 - 09/18/10 07:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Expect everything; viva la revolution!
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: geokills] 1
#485610 - 10/06/10 05:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just sent out this email to all of my friends and family, and would encourage you to do the same:
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Friends & Family! I just wanted to take a moment to encourage everyone to speak with their own friends and families about this important issue. Voting against Proposition 19 would maintain a status quo that directly hurts tens of thousands of people in California every year who face legal consequences on account of the prohibitionary laws governing their personal use of marijuana. It is an absolute travesty that our financially strapped state has been forced to continue this strain on our entire criminal justice system, just to hunt down and prosecute non-violent marijuana offenders. Our state legislature recognized this fact when Governor Schwarzenegger signed SB 1449 into law last week, effectively reducing the penalty for public use of pot from a misdemeanor (requiring a court appearance and criminal record) to an infraction (which is the same class as a parking ticket - no court appearance, no court costs, and no criminal record). Beyond that, people who fear these laws against cannabis will often turn to less safe legal alternatives such as the synthetic JWH compounds found in K2 and Spice over the counter herbal blends, which have been reported to produce adverse health affects and have a very short history of use. Untainted marijuana on the other hand is extremely low in toxicity and holds a long history of safe use. Please remember to vote yes on Proposition 19, and forward this email to family and friends who may have a misunderstanding of the real issues here. The latest polls are showing passable support for proposition 19, but the only poll that matters is the one on November 2nd! Some interesting and related commentary:
I hope everyone is enjoying the rain!

Thanks for reading, ~Mike
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: keepITLegalFellas] 1
#488005 - 10/14/10 04:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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not long now im so fucking nervous about this
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Shaggy420] 1
#488270 - 10/15/10 04:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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overgrow the government
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: geokills] 1
#489516 - 10/19/10 05:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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A good read on Prop 19's potential conflicts with the federal Controlled Substances Act:
If you have the time and the incination:
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Skatealex2] 1
#493567 - 10/30/10 06:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Skatealex2 said: Hell yah. Its great to see the day of legal weed coming upon us. It would be amazing to walk around and have a variety of stores to buy all types of legal thc from around America. I bet the weed business will be pretty competetive too. Seems like history is repeating itself.
I totally agree... I have a feeling that within the next ten years, it'll be legal across the us. Marijuana-based establishments and products will be the next large industry to open up in the states.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: MR.HEADY] 1
#494453 - 11/02/10 08:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is like the moon landing, how long till we find out?
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Dephect] 1
#511895 - 01/08/11 01:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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dosnt seem like the best reason to keep it illegal
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Shaggy420] 1
#512176 - 01/09/11 02:29 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't understand why the average stoner/grower doesn't understand this very simple fact.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: geokills]
#470093 - 08/30/10 06:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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 Too bad im not in Cali.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
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 Too bad im not in Cali.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Inverted]
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: FRACTALife]
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: T-Rex]
#470233 - 08/31/10 01:25 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who fucking cares if you are in Cali or not? I mean not to insult anyone but I wouldn't like being in California for a while while they get all the "bugs" worked out of this plan. I'm glad that it's finally coming to the point where it might be legalized. But I'm sure they are going to do something weird with it. Also look at how many states have picked up Medical Marijuana, sooner or later (if California legalizes Cannabis) most other states will follow. I would rather be in my own state fighting for legalizing Marijuana completely than to move out to California. Since it should be legal anyways I cant wait till some statistics come from California legalizing Marijuana to come out. It will show everyone that people who partake in smoking Cannabis aren't bad people. And also it will show that it can be a positive thing rather than a negative thing. Not to insult anyone that said "I wish I was in Cali" but I'm just saying it's going to be interesting seeing what comes of this law if it happens. And if it does happen I'm going to be excited to see all the stats from it.
Also, I'm wondering what Obama is going to do....if anything. I mean he says that he "semi-supports" it but if this happens, I wonder if he is going to jump on board or jump ship.
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