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 trottertim
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 organic? 
#459873 - 08/14/10 09:06 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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can organic grows yeild nicer blooms than non organic ones/
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grod31
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what nutes you use has verry little to do with your outcome.
and what does nicer mean anyway?
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trottertim
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Re: organic? [Re: grod31]
#459888 - 08/14/10 09:35 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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like more potent healthier bigger buds.
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trottertim
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then what is the point in buying nutrients.
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Psilobuds
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pretty gray question
i have tried a few different commercial nutes with my outdoor grows and it seems like i get an equal outcome using just worm castings + its free
if my worm farms weren't working so well id probably be using sheep manure
with my usual [organic] method i have never had any pH issues, when i was trying out some chem liquid fertilizer a friend recommended i had to regulate the pH because it was so strong
but i guess once you got your technique down this wouldn't be an issue
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trottertim
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Re: organic? [Re: Psilobuds]
#459895 - 08/14/10 09:52 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok. Yeah this is my first grow so im just searching things around to see what i should doo. but thanks im just going to dig up some worms and put them in my pots.
one of my plants starting its preflowering a week ago b.t.w.
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My other one is starting to right now.
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Psilobuds
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putting worms in your pots aint gunna help lols
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trottertim
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Re: organic? [Re: Psilobuds]
#459912 - 08/14/10 10:22 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilobuds said:
putting worms in your pots aint gunna help lols
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Psilobuds
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how big are their pots?
and whats preflowering?
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trottertim
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Re: organic? [Re: Psilobuds]
#459931 - 08/14/10 10:53 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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the first signs of flowering.
their pots are the size of big buckets. i dont know the gallon size but o well.
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SmOakland
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Re: organic? [Re: grod31]
#460658 - 08/15/10 12:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
grod31 said:
what nutes you use has verry little to do with your outcome.
Sorry I just have to point out that this is 100% not true.
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 Harry_Ba11sach
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Quote:
trottertim said:
like more potent healthier bigger buds.
No, in fact, synthetic fertilizers will yield you the heaviest, most potent buds you can possibly grow. Organic fertilizers make hippies happy who don't have the slightest comprehension of biochemistry and soil ecology, but that's about as far as the appeal goes
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SmOakland
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Quote:
trottertim said:
can organic grows yeild nicer blooms than non organic ones/
You just opened a new can of worms  . No but really, people argue about this on the internet all day long. Your plants can reach their full potential using either organic or chemical nutrients.
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grod31
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Re: organic? [Re: SmOakland]
#461055 - 08/15/10 09:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
SmOakland said:
Quote:
grod31 said:
what nutes you use has very little to do with your outcome.
Sorry I just have to point out that this is 100% not true.
oh really? i can respectfully disagree
im sure anything you can do with one line of products can be done just the same with any number of other products..
in that statement i didnt mean what npk rating you use (that would obviously make a difference) i meant what line of nutes you choose.
so please explain to me why you think this is not true.
i would say say the nutes you use are like 10% of the outcome
with genetics being first, environmental conditions second, outside interaction 3 (or 1st), then some other things
and nutes somewhere at the end
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DO NOT USE mushmagic.com- THEY LIE AND SELL DRUGS TO CHILDREN
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Back the tape up. I need it again!
Let it roll! Just as high as the fucker can go!
And when it comes to that fantastic note
where the rabbit bites its own head off,
I want you to THROW THAT FUCKING
RADIO INTO THE TUB WITH ME!
Not me. It would blast you through
the wall stone dead in ten seconds and they'd make me explain.
Edited by grod31 (08/15/10 09:25 PM)
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: organic? [Re: grod31]
#461176 - 08/16/10 12:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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what do you consider "outside interaction?
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grod31
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animals, police, murphy's law
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DO NOT USE mushmagic.com- THEY LIE AND SELL DRUGS TO CHILDREN
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Back the tape up. I need it again!
Let it roll! Just as high as the fucker can go!
And when it comes to that fantastic note
where the rabbit bites its own head off,
I want you to THROW THAT FUCKING
RADIO INTO THE TUB WITH ME!
Not me. It would blast you through
the wall stone dead in ten seconds and they'd make me explain.
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SmOakland
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Re: organic? [Re: grod31]
#461248 - 08/16/10 07:45 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
grod31 said:
Quote:
SmOakland said:
Quote:
grod31 said:
what nutes you use has very little to do with your outcome.
Sorry I just have to point out that this is 100% not true.
oh really? i can respectfully disagree
im sure anything you can do with one line of products can be done just the same with any number of other products..
in that statement i didnt mean what npk rating you use (that would obviously make a difference) i meant what line of nutes you choose.
so please explain to me why you think this is not true.
i would say say the nutes you use are like 10% of the outcome
with genetics being first, environmental conditions second, outside interaction 3 (or 1st), then some other things
and nutes somewhere at the end
I don't really need clarification. If you use Tiger Bloom, your buds are going to be different than if you use some genaric 5-10-5 stuff or something. I don't think I have ever seen two types of hydro ferts with the same N-P-K numbers, so the end products will all be slightly different if you use them.
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grod31
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Re: organic? [Re: SmOakland]
#461268 - 08/16/10 08:40 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol you showed me man
the way your tigerbloom works is only because of the soil and water you use
if you use tigerbloom with mirical grow soil and faucet water then it wont do you any good.
again almost everything else is more important then the nute line you choose to use.
please prove me wrong 
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DO NOT USE mushmagic.com- THEY LIE AND SELL DRUGS TO CHILDREN
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Back the tape up. I need it again!
Let it roll! Just as high as the fucker can go!
And when it comes to that fantastic note
where the rabbit bites its own head off,
I want you to THROW THAT FUCKING
RADIO INTO THE TUB WITH ME!
Not me. It would blast you through
the wall stone dead in ten seconds and they'd make me explain.
Edited by grod31 (08/16/10 08:44 AM)
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Psilobuds
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Quote:
Harry_Ba11sach said:
synthetic fertilizers will yield you the heaviest, most potent buds you can possibly grow.
i can kind of agree with this
Quote:
Harry_Ba11sach said:
Organic fertilizers make hippies happy who don't have the slightest comprehension of biochemistry and soil ecology, but that's about as far as the appeal goes
but this makes you sound like a retard.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: organic? [Re: Psilobuds]
#461298 - 08/16/10 11:04 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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great well I bet the 98% I got in a graduate level soil biochemistry course also makes me sound like a retard. feel free to try and present an intelligent counter point, and i'll gladly show you which one of us is the retard 
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