Quote:

---

Kilroy said:
I have been through this as well in my head, do I believe in a higher power, not sure probably not. I would have an easier time if it was not that I have a hard time separating god from religion. Religion has tainted me pretty bad by all of its contradictions and the people who preach it.

---

Quote:

---

FarBeyondDriven said:
Yeah, the fundamentalists and shove-it-down-your-throaters kinda give it a bad name

I believe what I believe though, not what they're trying to force me to   A person has to find it for themselves, not have someone else tell them where it is

---

I can respect that.

Quote:

---

iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too

---

Quote:

---

FarBeyondDriven said:
I believe in God, but I believe in evolution.  I believe things started from God but he had the intentions of things evolving.

---

Quote:

---

volcomstoner said:
I do not beleive in god.

---

that statement makes me laugh with that smiley. idk why though

Quote:

---

Harry_Ba11sach said:

Quote:

---

iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too

---

The only people who use that as a legitimate argument are people with very very little education who haven't the slightest idea what theory means in terms of science. Gravity is just a theory. Heliocentrism is just a theory. Something being a theory in no way reduces it's legitimacy as a scientific claim, and even more importantly, none of those things dictate the absence of God.  I don't understand how the fundamentalists can think that Evolution instantly means that God isn't real....

---

Quote:

---

Harry_Ba11sach said:

Quote:

---

iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too

---

The only people who use that as a legitimate argument are people with very very little education who haven't the slightest idea what theory means in terms of science. Gravity is just a theory. Heliocentrism is just a theory. Something being a theory in no way reduces it's legitimacy as a scientific claim, and even more importantly, none of those things dictate the absence of God.  I don't understand how the fundamentalists can think that Evolution instantly means that God isn't real....

---

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:

Quote:

---

Harry_Ba11sach said:

Quote:

---

iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too

---

The only people who use that as a legitimate argument are people with very very little education who haven't the slightest idea what theory means in terms of science. Gravity is just a theory. Heliocentrism is just a theory. Something being a theory in no way reduces it's legitimacy as a scientific claim, and even more importantly, none of those things dictate the absence of God.  I don't understand how the fundamentalists can think that Evolution instantly means that God isn't real....

---

I cant say that all of this is true, Gravity isnt just a theory since it can be duplicated over and over again. I would say that it is pretty much fact (thats why its called the law of gravity not the theory of gravity). Evolution is harder to prove (although I think it's real).

Religion sometimes does blind people though, and it seems like people who are overly religious are more closed minded. So I do agree with you on that.

---

Quote:

---

THEBats said:

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:

Quote:

---

Harry_Ba11sach said:

Quote:

---

iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too

---

The only people who use that as a legitimate argument are people with very very little education who haven't the slightest idea what theory means in terms of science. Gravity is just a theory. Heliocentrism is just a theory. Something being a theory in no way reduces it's legitimacy as a scientific claim, and even more importantly, none of those things dictate the absence of God.  I don't understand how the fundamentalists can think that Evolution instantly means that God isn't real....

---

I cant say that all of this is true, Gravity isnt just a theory since it can be duplicated over and over again. I would say that it is pretty much fact (thats why its called the law of gravity not the theory of gravity). Evolution is harder to prove (although I think it's real).

Religion sometimes does blind people though, and it seems like people who are overly religious are more closed minded. So I do agree with you on that.

---

Gravity is a theory, you're just misinterpreting what the word "theory" means in science.  Just because something can be duplicated over and over does not make it fact in the scientific community. 

---

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:
Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.

---

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:
Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.

---

Quote:

---

niteowl said:

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:
Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.

---

The theory of Gravity will always be a theory until we understand how gravity works.

---

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:

Quote:

---

niteowl said:

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:
Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.

---

The theory of Gravity will always be a theory until we understand how gravity works.

---

No if we understand how gravity works, then it becomes a fact not a law.

---

Quote:

---

niteowl said:
You are wrong on so many levels

---

Good arguement.

Quote:

---

THEBats said:

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:

Quote:

---

niteowl said:

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:
Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.

---

The theory of Gravity will always be a theory until we understand how gravity works.

---

No if we understand how gravity works, then it becomes a fact not a law.

---

Science doesn't work that way.  It only takes one piece of information to change the way in which we think, interpret gravity as we know it today.  In science we have theories due to this potential of change.

---

Alright I'll bite on this one. Thanks for explaining it in a way I can understand. I guess I always grew up thinking gravity was a law

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:
On our planet gravity is a law not a theroy, I wasnt talking about space.

It is a law on our planet because it cant be un-proven.

Here is kind of a cool site explaining what I cannot.

http://amasci.com/miscon/myths10.html

---

Quote:

---

Tangerines said:
Before Jesus gravity never existed.  After his death the gravity of the situation came to light and ever since then apples have been falling on peoples heads.

Gravity is also the reason why Mr. Kite getting dropped by his mother has affected him so.

---

Quote:

---

Tangerines said:
Before Jesus gravity never existed.  After his death the gravity of the situation came to light and ever since then apples have been falling on peoples heads.

Gravity is also the reason why Mr. Kite getting dropped by his mother has affected him so.

---

Quote:

---

You are by far one of the stupidest people I've ever tried to talk to. You make nonsense points about concepts you clearly have zero comprehension for, and then lack even the slightest bit of intelligent rebuttal when your points are logically dismissed.  You're gonna have to make a serious turnaround in the quality of your posts if you want me to change this

---

Someone takes life a little too serious I see.

Quote:

---

Mr. Kite said:

Quote:

---

You are by far one of the stupidest people I've ever tried to talk to. You make nonsense points about concepts you clearly have zero comprehension for, and then lack even the slightest bit of intelligent rebuttal when your points are logically dismissed.  You're gonna have to make a serious turnaround in the quality of your posts if you want me to change this

---

Someone takes life a little too serious I see.

---

Quote:

---

FurrowedBrow said:
People who argue for it don't understand the concept of scientific theory. 

---

Quote:

---

Harry_Ba11sach said:
because I'm about 99% sure you live in Iowa and love pizza

---

Quote:

---

FurrowedBrow said:
Those particles you just described also contain infinite universes but that's another thread.

---

Quote:

---

FurrowedBrow said:
Let me rephrase it then.  People that use the argument that evolution is only a theory and not some absolute, don't understand the concept of scientific theory.  Those particles you just described also contain infinite universes but that's another thread.

---

Right, and yes another thread indeed. A mind blowing thread at that

Quote:

---

iStoner said:
link?

---

Quote:

---

FurrowedBrow said:
Na, you've got a bunch too i see. 

Quote:

---

FurrowedBrow said:
I really feel as if there are an infinite number of realities out there (in the cosmos and in the quantum).  Somewhere there is a plant where coaster is the leader of the world.  In that world the people live with dinosaurs that never went extinct.  Everything that can happen is happening or will happen or has happened.  and we are all one.  I like to take this kind of dimensional thinking as it can really free your mind to think outside the box.  that's what its all about imo.

---

Quote:

---

FurrowedBrow said:

Quote:

---

still beLIEve said:

Quote:

---

FurrowedBrow said:
I made several connections that reaffirmed a belief i have.  I'll talk about that later.

---

please explain

---

"We know that we are all one. We are unimaginably complex carbon based life forms that have evolved all the way from single cell organisms over billions of years. I don't consider that to be debatable. I think that at the heart of my beliefs is the concept of the infinite. I will never believe anyone who tells me they understand this concept. Without going into too much detail the idea is this - everything is infinite. Our current technology only lets us see an unbelievably small fraction of what exists.  We (or at least the media) tends to focus on outer space as being the most wondrous aspect of reality. Why is this? Probably because it's something we see every night as we look up at the stars. What if we looked down into ourselves, into the atoms of ourselves and see the same wondrous sights - the infinite. I think that infinity goes both ways - large and small. We only perceive things that are relative to our own size.  It's hard to imagine an entire universe inside of a single atom, especially since none of us really know how small an atom is. This also has to do with time. Time is a function of size. Obviously for the people that exist inside the Earth of the universe inside of an atom their time would flow the same to them as it does for us. But the more and more I learn about string theory and M theory this is what I have come to believe. The goal of physics is to unveil a unifying theory of everything (as i understand it). One theory that tells us everything about existence.

OK, so imagine that every atom in the Universe contains an infinite number of universes within itself, with an infinite number of earths that have all unfolded in different ways. That would imply that there are an infinite number of parallel dimensions that exist all around us. So, imagine a world were dinosaurs and people have learned to coexist. Or a world where the person you hate most is President and ruler of the entire unified Earth. Or even a reality where humans have discovered how to travel through time. I think that this kind of world view really frees up the mind to think creatively. I will admit that it's kind of out there stuff and I am far from firm in this belief as i myself have developed nothing to back any of this up. I'm open to all criticism and ideas to further this understanding. Let's engage."

That was a rant I went on a while back on another site.  That was my belief then and now.  The mandelbrot set shows that this is true, somewhat.  Each level of the set is a different dimension (maybe there's a better word).  It's all dependent upon the size of the observer.  Watch those videos with that kind of a reality in mind.

---

theres a couple for the OP.

---

Fractals!

https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/453545#453545

https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/420602#420602

https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/332492#332492

want more?   

Quote:

---

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

“The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms-it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature.”


“It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems.”

“I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance — but for us, not for God.”


“The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenatrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties – this knowledge, this feeling … that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself amoung profoundly religious men.”

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Upon being asked if he believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921, Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, Page 502.

---

Except I believe that one of the most best ways to experience "god" and the harmony of nature is through certain drugs.

Quote:

---

derelict said:
'The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.'

H.P. Lovecraft.

---