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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #457557 - 08/10/10 07:33 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Must people who respond to any talk of evolution with "it's a theory" are most likely catholic/christian idiots.
I believe in god, but not as a pathological being who created us. I believe in god as a beautiful energy source of creation and beauty.
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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #457989 - 08/10/10 08:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Einstein and I share the same view on god. I decided my view and then I found that it was a belief that Einstein held called Spinoza's God.


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“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

“The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms-it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature.”


“It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems.”

“I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance — but for us, not for God.”


“The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenatrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties – this knowledge, this feeling … that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself amoung profoundly religious men.”

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Upon being asked if he believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921, Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, Page 502.








Except I believe that one of the most best ways to experience "god" and the harmony of nature is through certain drugs. :feelsgoodman:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: derelict]
    #458194 - 08/11/10 11:18 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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'The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.'

H.P. Lovecraft.



I am loving it.


I guess my beliefs could be summed up like this.

I believe in the divine, whatever that may be. Psychedelics, some other drugs, and certain activities can allow us to open our eyes to the divine. In the end we know nothing, so just live happily in the divine light while you can. :flowerchild::aum:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: A Girl] * 1
    #460318 - 08/14/10 08:50 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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"there is no theory of evolution, just the animals that chuck norris allows to live"

haha

but i believe in the Lord because i have witnessed too many miracles and my life is too blessed to have it in any way be logical to not believe that he is the almighty. even through the hurt he gives me strength.

im not preaching....dont think i am, because i dont like people who press their beliefs onto others, just my :2cents: and personal experience :smile:





I don't like the "i have witnessed too many miracles and my life is too blessed to have it in any way be logical to not believe that he is the almighty" line.

Multiple universes probably exist and we are just one that got lucky and had hydrogen bond together to create sun and multiple cosmic events occur so that life could exist.

We achieved 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance that life could exist in this beautiful place.

Having a good life filled with "mircales" is no reason to believe in god.

Is god, "he", a pathological being? I don't think I could worship anything with an ego.

God is existence, life, nature and beauty. The all flowing love of cosmic energy that we are all made of! I will stick to that!


We are star stuff contemplating star stuff. Screw the gods, stars gave us life!


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: A Girl]
    #460480 - 08/15/10 01:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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like i said, just my personal experience. everything bad that happens is for a reason and a learning experience. i think that if you have only ever had wonderful things happen to you, you would not be able to truly appreciate the good things that happen to you. i believe that God doesn't like seeing us in pain and seeing bad things happen, but he understands more then we can possibly imagine and he sees the good that will come out of that experience down the road. :shrug::2cents:




Not everything happens for "a reason". Everything has cause and effect, and sometimes it turns out awesome.

You are entitled to your opinion, just as we are entitled to point out the flawed logic.
Logic is what you are missing, you should believe whatever you want, but just admit when logic is not on your side.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Harlz]
    #460613 - 08/15/10 11:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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NUCLEOSTELLAR SYNTHESIS IS GOD

IT CREATED THE ELEMENTS WHICH CREATE YOU


CAPS LOCK IS ALSO MADE OF STARS


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #461156 - 08/16/10 12:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

This is original god --------------> :feelsweirdman:

All this nothing bouncing around.


So god became :feelsgoodman:



Which then created :feelsbadman:


Trust me, I'm a theology major.  :cheech:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461443 - 08/16/10 02:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Guys... religion is religion. We all "know" what it means and we all have slightly different ideas. Religion is just a word... just sounds.

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Religion differs from spirituality because religion an is organized set of beliefs. 


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Be kind. :flowerchild:


Oh shit. But what does kind mean? Kind can be anything!  :homerdoh3:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #461494 - 08/16/10 03:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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We're on 2 different islands. Define what you think religion.




My island has the right rules and beliefs and your island doesn't, so our God is going to kill you. PS: Don't buttfuck.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Coaster]
    #463915 - 08/19/10 10:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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god raped my mom

-jesus





His penis was so tiny that she didn't notice.
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