Welcome to the Growery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!
|
 Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
 Crusty Ass Bastard
Pheno Hunting
Registered: 08/02/09
Posts: 786
Last seen: 14 years, 2 months
|
 Re: Nutes for Coco  [Re: kln]
#385513 - 03/17/10 05:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
kln said:
Some months ago i decided to stop with soil and give straight coco a chance.
I've been following biobizz feeding scheldule, but now i think it's time to change for coco specific nutes
What's your experience with coco coir? I've been thinking in Hesi or Canna nutes coco nutes, but would like to know some opinions before buying!
Thanks for your time
kLn
There are not many coco growers on the growery...yet. I made the switch about 5 months ago and use canna A, B, PK 13/14, Rhizotonic and Cannazyme. My nutrient costs have never been lower and plants love the shit, I don't know what else to say. Everything from the actual bottle (the best out there) to the feeding schedule (Add equal parts A+B the entire grow) makes it really hard to fuck anything up.
Here is a post I made about my transition from dirt to coco: https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/301352/page/5
|
Crusty Ass Bastard
Pheno Hunting
Registered: 08/02/09
Posts: 786
Last seen: 14 years, 2 months
|
Re: Nutes for Coco [Re: kln] 1
#385526 - 03/17/10 06:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
You should start a grow journal when everything is set up 
We need more coco and cowbell.
|
Crusty Ass Bastard
Pheno Hunting
Registered: 08/02/09
Posts: 786
Last seen: 14 years, 2 months
|
|
Quote:
airborne robot said:
I fell in love with coco from the shroomery, and used it in a couple of my recent projects. Even if you do not use straight coco, it works wonderfully for a wick.
I use 5 gallon buckets with 1/2 holes drilled across the bottom. Placing 1-2 inches of coir in the bottom of the buckets and then filling with FF dirt and about 20% coir I can use a ebb and flow type watering system and the wicking action from the coir has AMAZING root development. I do not think I will ever water from the top down again.
The only thing to watch out for is salt build up from the coir, and if you over feed I had a real pain trying to get it flushed. But thats just my two cents.
I've never seen a soil/coir mix, but it sounds like its working for you. I completely agree about its root development and wicking properties, I've yielded considerably (10-20%) more since switching. You can cut it with 25-50% perlite and salt buildup won't be a problem. Also, straight coir is less than stellar for cloning and starting seeds in my experience. Today I'm using something like 50% coir, 30% perlite, 20% hydroton.
|
Crusty Ass Bastard
Pheno Hunting
Registered: 08/02/09
Posts: 786
Last seen: 14 years, 2 months
|
|
FYI, its a pain in the ass to reply to multiple questions when each question is in a different post and each post cites different quotes. Take a couple extra seconds and edit your post, because its not worth the effort to reply.
Quote:
captain.koons said:
I've used 20% coco in my soil mixes and I liked it.
What I meant was people cutting coco with soil, not vice versa. I've never heard of anyone cutting coco with soil. That is a step away from hydroponics and yet without the benefits of soil...just a bad idea IMO. Not to mention a good deal of the nutes in FF are going to be locked out @ hydro ph.
Quote:
captain.koons said:
Adding perlite doesn't stop salt build up the perlite component just wouldn't hold nutrients as much as the coco component, salt build up in the medium is attributed to having nutrients held in the medium evaporate and having the solid components remain in the medium. This is fixed or prevented in coco by having run off which helps release some of this nutrient build up.
You might be interpreting what I say too literally. Perlite will significantly reduce salt buildup compared to straight coco, whether you water to runoff (I don't) or not. Obviously any medium is going to have salt buildup over time unless its flushed, I think of that as implied knowledge.
Quote:
captain.koons said:
What nutrients did you use before? Canna is amongst the most expensive nutrients on the market.
I believe the OP specified coco-specific nutes. I'm interested to hear what coco nutrients you would recommend that are cheaper than canna a+b? H&G is the only one close and their entire line is one big canna clone, they don't even try to hide that.
To the OP: GH Flora/FN and almost all hydroponic nutes are not tailored to coco, they have excessive P. Coco-specific = less P because coco already has a shit-ton of it. CNS17 coco+soil especially is a joke, any grower should laugh at that product description. If its all their local shop carries I understand, but yeah.
To actually answer your question...I've used FF's complete line, BMO's complete line, GH 3-part, AN A+B, Botanicare grow, etc. I've cropped 16 plants so far with 1 liter of canna A and 1 liter of canna B and I've still got 1/4 of each bottle left and 14 plants going. I don't have exact numbers from the past, but like I said I've never spent less on nutrients, even when my dirt was pre-laced with them. I paid a total of $31.90 for both bottles.
If I sound like an asshole I guess its because you took a dump on this thread and nobody seems to care when people do that around here.
Edited by Crusty Ass Bastard (03/18/10 01:26 PM)
|
Crusty Ass Bastard
Pheno Hunting
Registered: 08/02/09
Posts: 786
Last seen: 14 years, 2 months
|
|
Quote:
captain.koons said:
I don't know where you get your information from. The perlite will make the coco drain and dry faster which is what causes salt buildup. The only perk is the perlite won't hold salts as well as the coco.
Again. Salt buildup is from your medium being wet with x(say 1300ppm) concentration of nutrients, then your medium dries and the water component of the nutrient solution evaporates, leaving a more concentrated (over 1300ppm) known as salt build up other than the perlite will not prevent salt build up from occuring it will in fact do the opposite.
It is exactly because the perlite doesn't hold salts as well that it better prevents salt buildup. Those less-salty airy pockets all over the medium keep it from drying out evenly, which is when TSS really rears its fucking head. Start a pot of straight coir and a pot of 50/50, feed at the same ppm's every day, and wonder in amazement as the coir needs a flush days or weeks before the 50/50. I'm not on this site for an ego-stroke or to impress anybody, I share some pictures and offer some advice based on actual experiences. I'm not talking out of my ass or just to hear myself, try to understand that.
Also: This thread became unreadable 3 hours and 44 minutes ago.
Edited by Crusty Ass Bastard (03/18/10 01:47 PM)
| |
|
|
Threaded
Previous
Index
Next
Edit 
Reply 
