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 Budmanman
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 Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! 
#308793 - 11/03/09 12:21 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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ok so its been leeking for almost 4 days since I took clones.
I even re did the bottom peace of weather stripping.
I followed the shroomery instructions but there quite now in explaining how to built it ??!!
http://www.growery.org/3037/Make-your-own-Aeroponic-Cloner
so when doing the weather stripping I put it on the upper part of the lid around the edges like a big oval. And put the lid on and it seemed floppy.
So I also put a ring around the tub itself to. It feels like it sets nice and flat now but it slowly drips from random parts of the lid and it adds up to about a gallon a day.
HOW DO U FIX THIS PROBLEM?
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 Hawksresurrection
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: Budmanman]
#308832 - 11/03/09 01:18 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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That's kind of hard to answer with out pictures, you can use more weather stripping to try and create a better seal.
Get us some pictures of it so we can get a better idea of what were dealing with.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#308874 - 11/03/09 07:26 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Not hard to answer at all!
@ Budmanman: Weather stripping can work, but it's really not the best way to water seal something - especially if it's a fixture or something like this. My recommendation would be to install a drain valve at the bottom and fill valve near the top, and then to seal the whole thing up with silicon. I know it's a pain to have to go out and buy 2 valves, and drill some holes, and do silicon work but really if your looking for a leak proof system, sealing the thing up with silicon is your best option. It isn't an expensive endeavor either - a PVC ball valve would work very well and a small tube of universal silicon would be fine. If you don't have your own silicon gun, I would think most plumbing supply outlets would carry something of this nature - one of those small ready to go canisters.
Also remember, that this does not make your system unserviceable. It is not very difficult to cut and remove silicon with a razor. Resealing is no problem either. It's worth the extra effort IMO.
Otherwise, keep taping it up until it stops leaking. 
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: TomCollins]
#309177 - 11/03/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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I just updated it with more tips.
Remove the weather stripping and then lower or raise the sprayer assembly height.
The leaks come from the srayers shooting water directly into the lids edges.
Also, run straigth tap water in your cloner. No nutes. Those come during veg.
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Budmanman
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: azshroomer]
#309220 - 11/03/09 05:15 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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shit straight tap water? I have been useing 250 ppm fox farm hydro nutes.
And how do I know if i need to raise or lower it? And it currently has had clones in it since the night of the 29th last month so a good 4 days and only 1 clone has some root nubs the rest show no signs.
Is this because of the nutes? You claim to get roots in 3 days HUGE ROots at that!.
Or were you exagerating?
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: Budmanman]
#309227 - 11/03/09 05:30 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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The original tek says to use water, and doesn't mention nutes.
In general, you don't use nutes while making clones...the only thing you need is rooting powder.
You're not getting roots in the timeframe he stated for a couple reasons:
1)The nutes
2)If the cloner is leaking, its clearly not functioning properly...therefore you're not getting a root system.
So, lower the pump/PVC setup and re-test to see if you're getting the leak still, use fresh water, and then let's see if you don't get some results.
I'm sure you're not, but the insinuation in the last two sentences is that AZShroomer is deliberately misleading the community, I would think that you would want his help with this issue, but insulting him is definitely not the way to get it.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: 81renaissance]
#309234 - 11/03/09 05:38 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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he has about a 5 words to go with every picture is all. I mean just look at the tech it says you need masking tape. I bought the tape but it never tells you what to even do with it.
So I did not even use it.
I mean I am not just dissing. Its fact.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: Budmanman]
#309236 - 11/03/09 05:39 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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I am assuming I need to lower it and not raise it. I am worried though that if I lower it to much that the sprays wont reach. but they are definutly spraying directly at were the weather stripping meets.
and the reason why I added nutes was someone on here a wile ago when I first made it told me I should use a seedling strength nutes and so I used half of what fox farm recomended for seedinling.
Edited by Budmanman (11/03/09 05:41 PM)
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Budmanman
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: Budmanman]
#309238 - 11/03/09 05:42 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/302245#302245
Here is the post were I was told to use nutes.
And also I asked if the rooting powder would just rince off.
And I used the powder, and shure enough in the aero cloner it rinsed off instantly.
So what do I do to make the powder stay on better?
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: Budmanman]
#309244 - 11/03/09 05:47 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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a gel would have an easier time of sticking to a clone then powder.
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81renaissance
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: coda]
#309250 - 11/03/09 05:53 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
coda said:
a gel would have an easier time of sticking to a clone then powder.
yeah that.
Please try to organize your thoughts into a single post rather than multiple back to back posts.
It just looks so frenetic; I know you're freaked out here, but when put in perspective, this isn't a life-changing ordeal.
Just experiment with the cloner some, the concept AZShroomer sets forward is a good one, you just need to find what works for YOU.
And since none of us are there with ya, we don't know what's going on with the actual build of your project.
I think that's the best advice: tinker with it, use logic, and fix it...there's no substitute for personal ingenuity.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: 81renaissance]
#309252 - 11/03/09 05:57 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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The tape is to be used for making your measurements on the lid and without leaving permanent marks. Im sorry, Noone tipped me off that I forgot to put that part in my write up! 
And yes, straight tap water PH balanced to 5.8-6.0
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: azshroomer]
#309517 - 11/03/09 10:23 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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OK i lowered the sprayers and it still leeked so then I removed the weather stripping from the bottom part you know the tub itself so that weather stripping was still on the lid.
And it still slowly drips but I think that that made it drip less.
It seems also that no matter how much you lower it it is going to spray rite on the edge no matter what. the sprays spray in almost every direction you know fuck I want this thing to stop soaking my floor.!
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Budmanman
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: Budmanman]
#309519 - 11/03/09 10:26 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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ok I just clamped the handle things down and it slowed the leeking down a bit more. only a drop every few mins now instead of seconds.
So I am starting to think I should use thinner weather stripping and clamp it down so that way it doesnt try to flex?
I mean weather stripping comes in all different thicknesses and widths.
You should specify what kind to use in your tech cause it seems to be pretty important to.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: Budmanman]
#309522 - 11/03/09 10:27 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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budmanman: I'm serious-please organize your thoughts into single posts.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leeking! [Re: 81renaissance]
#309554 - 11/03/09 11:16 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Ok so to make this thing not leek here is what you do PPL to anyone who builds one and wants their security deposit back!
Red represents double layer.
Blue represents single layer of weather stripping.
Then clamp the hendles down and I seem to have 0 leekage now!
Well see how it does overnight I suppose as a final test!
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: 81renaissance]
#309559 - 11/03/09 11:29 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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The problem is just because some writes a DIY doesn't mean it's gonna work exactly the same for you as it did for them. If anyone tried building a setup like stinkbuds in the hightimes issue about 2-3 months back. You would have found that there are some discrepancies. Me and my partner worked through them, made adjustments where needed ands indeed improved on all three setups. My point is if you are freaking out this early in the process I'm waiting for your posts in about 6-9 weeks when all types of shit starts to go wrong. Just work through them a learn from previous experiences and crops. It's all about trial and error. Hell I lost power to half my house about 2months back.And that's including the power that controls the light for the flower room. And with 56-72 budding females there no time for calling an electrician if you catch my drift. I'm still working through it because I have perpetual harvest and it's gonna be a couple more months before I can get another house, shutdown and move operation to new location, call an electrician, and start everything back up at the first house.
In this hobby be ready for MANY road blocks and speed bumps. Take some deep and remember there's always someone here to help. Oh yea mine leaks as well, but a simple solution to keep water off the floor is to put the cloner inside a larger bin to catch the drips, check water level and ph daily. Problem solved!
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Jeff Funk]
#309590 - 11/04/09 12:58 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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I now dont use any weather stripping.
And I also use stinkbuds designs for veg and flower.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#309602 - 11/04/09 01:21 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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what what did you use isntead of weather stripping? You should update your tech cause if any one follows it there gonna run into this problem.
A drop or 2 still sneak out every 30 minutes with mine it seems.
and who is stink buds? were is this info?
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#309604 - 11/04/09 01:23 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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And I also use stinkbuds designs for veg and flower.
Me too when building the flower unit following the outline I think I was off some tees and a few pieces while building the stand. Which wasn't a problem just a minor fix, where some may have freaked out and thought the world was ending.(not directed towards anyone) just a general statement.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Jeff Funk]
#309767 - 11/04/09 12:36 PM (15 years, 19 days ago) |
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I didnt use anything in place of weather stripping.
I Still lose a few drops a day but its no big deal.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#309889 - 11/04/09 06:09 PM (15 years, 19 days ago) |
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Contractor size trash bags used as a liner. Pull the excess up over the lid, fits tightm and cut off what you don't need. Makes clean up easy also, just throw the bag away. No weather strip needed.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#309892 - 11/04/09 06:14 PM (15 years, 19 days ago) |
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I'm usings stinkbuds system as well. So far everything is working great except the run off in the front is a little off. just had to raise that back up a little and extend the size of the fencing post a little. Its working faster than my first DIY DWC system!!! Hydro is great!
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: DankHeadz]
#310105 - 11/04/09 11:47 PM (15 years, 19 days ago) |
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Good to hear Dank.
Cept that its aeroponics. 
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#311321 - 11/06/09 05:12 PM (15 years, 17 days ago) |
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so I just took more clones and used rooting gel this time
and la de da it rinses rite off in an aero cloner also.
So it seems rooting hormone is useless with aero cloners and I have wasted more money.
But now I am useing 5.9 plain water. Lets see what happens I suppose.
at least it does not leek now.
Edited by Budmanman (11/06/09 05:12 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#311379 - 11/06/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 17 days ago) |
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What kind of rooting gel you use?
I myself use Clone-X and it doesn't rinse off by any means.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Stoneth]
#312829 - 11/08/09 10:50 PM (15 years, 15 days ago) |
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Do you even use an aero cloner stoney?
and I used rootech
original cloning gel.
Edited by Budmanman (11/08/09 10:52 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#312918 - 11/09/09 01:07 AM (15 years, 15 days ago) |
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Ok so for no reason it was leeking again today.
And thank god for who ever suggested an iner lining.
I made one and taped it to the top of the lid with the masking tape!
Hey looks like you do need it after all.
And now it cant leek no matter what! sure takes longer to open the lid but who cares.
Water pools in the iner liner around the rim but since it taped to the lid it still light tight water.
oh and I made the unit light tight.
So now I am leek free.
Still no roots but leek free.
every day the ph goes up ab out .4
so I lower it the same time every day..
Since it tap water it should eventualy stable out. My tap water ppm is 40 last time I checked it a few months ago.
and it comes out at a ph of 7.4 but it always rises if you let it sit.
Any ideas suggestions?
But its only been 3 days.
But according to that guy who is probably exagerating how fast he gets roots, I am sure it takes 5 days minimum to get roots.
Edited by Budmanman (11/09/09 01:09 AM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#313248 - 11/09/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
Budmanman said:
Do you even use an aero cloner stoney?
and I used rootech
original cloning gel.
Yes I use an areo cloner, made my own.
I've never used the rootech before tho.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Stoneth]
#313288 - 11/09/09 07:46 PM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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Dont be a dick dude. Im here helping you, so is Stoney.
We got other things we can do with our time.
I got root tips in 3 days. You seem to be ignoring my advice which is causing longer rooting times.
I said NO rooting hormone. If you must then dip them in clonex powder.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#313351 - 11/09/09 08:54 PM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
azshroomer said:
Dont be a dick dude. Im here helping you, so is Stoney.
We got other things we can do with our time.
I got root tips in 3 days. You seem to be ignoring my advice which is causing longer rooting times.
I said NO rooting hormone. If you must then dip them in clonex powder.
well rooting hormone would be the one and only thing I did not follow other then prevent leeking and blocking out light which has no effect on rooting.
and might I add the hormone rinsed rite off instantly anyway.
I have to re adjust my ph every day back to 5.8 but I am doing so.
so were are the roots what is preventing it hmm?
Edited by Budmanman (11/09/09 09:10 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#313361 - 11/09/09 09:03 PM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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here is the cloner.
You can see how I innerlined it to prevent leeks and how it can not be blocking water from the roots.
the water is plain water everything is as it is suppose to be and there is anything but 3 day rooting.
I mean you claim to have huge long roots in three days.
well how come it does not replicate hmm?
when I first built it I mimicked yours identically and had leek problems.
I am sure they will root in 6+ days like clones normaly do your 3 days does not sink up here.
Edited by Budmanman (11/09/09 09:04 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#313396 - 11/09/09 09:34 PM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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ok I just went through this thread again and you (azshroomer) have said nothing about useing rooting hormone or not
or any advise on what to do other than plain tap water ph to 5.8-6.0 and that you use nothing but weather stripping.
So what advise am I not following?
Or are you just being ignorant?
and I notice you said you made some changes on your tech
Make Your Own Aeroponic Cloner
http://www.growery.org/3037/Make-your-own-Aeroponic-Cloner
well I do not know what changes you made but your tech is lacking in more ways now then it ever did.
How about some real explenations and some real advise?
Edited by Budmanman (11/09/09 09:36 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#313416 - 11/09/09 10:12 PM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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I dont think you are gonna get what you are looking for that way.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Jeff Funk]
#313470 - 11/10/09 12:32 AM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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People exagerate their root times on here all the time.
I have witnessed it many times and should of know aero cloneing is nothing special other than the clones coloe look much better durring the cloning prosses. Root speed seems to be the same.
When I was takeing clones in cubes for the first time in a few years I psoted it had been 8 days and no roots visible yet and I said on the teks they said it took 5 days max and then someone replied people exagerate their root times regularly and that its normaly 7 days minimum and sometimes over 2 weeks.
In my growing experience quite often it does take over 2 weeks. Aero cloning seems to be about a 6ish days to get little root nubs and probably 9 days to get a good root system from what I am seeing here.
The last clones I took which had nutritent solution in them all started rooting about 10ish days. The root nubs didnt get very long fast at all. They never got any cercumstantial length in the root zone howerever one plant made some noticable growth.
Then I killed them all and took these ones. Plain water following all advice to a T!!!
and do I get the results claimed in the tek? Even when I follow a tek to the T?
No I did not.
Now I have been a shroomery memeber and when your a noob its follow a tek to the T and you will get good results. That you can not go wrong.
And that has proven true on the shroomery. If you follow it to a T you results will be identical.
But that seems to not be the case here now does it? And now the tek lacks a bunch of pictures and I will also probably assume its missing text to.
You come to these sites to learn how to do something. To have instructions to do something and have the expected results that the tek is claiming to provide.
Not wet carpet for example. And slower than claimed results to boot.
Look here
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/196872#196872
This guy made an aero cloner and says you do not even need weather stripping at all. Seems to me the only reason it leeks is because of the weatherstripping.
He says this about speed they root.
i havent done a side by side and i havent done rockwool in like 6 months + but it definitely seems like it. i have foot long root bundles in 7-10 days, and its better than rockwool IMO because you're transplanting a bundle of roots right into your medium, rather than waiting for them to grow out of the rockwool and into whatever you're growing in.
Nothing about anything in 3 days and I am sure since it is aeroponics that they will grow very fast after they reach one inch so he very well gets his roots in 5-6 days and then they blast of in the low nutrient water since they are searching for foods.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#313474 - 11/10/09 12:52 AM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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Do you realize that different strains can take more or less to root?? I've had cuttings that take 3-5 days to get good roots, and I've had strains that take a couple of weeks. Have some patience.
Have you rooted this strain you have before? How long did it take then?? Was it in rock wool??
Growing weed isn't the same as growing mushrooms man. It's actually a bit more difficult. Not everyone is going to get the same results as everyone else. Same goes on the shoomery too man.
You might want to lose some of the hostility. It's not really needed.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#313516 - 11/10/09 06:01 AM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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Waaay to much attitude for anyone to waste their time helping you. Since you wanna challenge evryones results how bout you keep trial and erroring things like most people here who didnt have the growery to hold their hand.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Jeff Funk]
#313762 - 11/10/09 03:16 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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I do not even under stand how his aero cloner was allowed to be considered a tek since it lacked SO MUCH information.
This site is pathetic I have never been hostil till now and no one has had any useful info.
I mean I got the guy who made the tek telling me if I only followed what he told me I would be fine.
and he told me virtually nothing.
This site is proving to be on the lower end of the grow sites.
But the shroomery is on the upper end of the shroom growing sites.
and I am sure many agree.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#313768 - 11/10/09 03:35 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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You no issues huh.
I remember this
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/298855#298855
We've tryed helping, you just don't want help is all.
A working ezcloner roots faster and will root with or without rooting gels and/or powders.
Why you're having so much trouble is beyond me.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#313992 - 11/11/09 05:37 AM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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You don't even answer any of the questions I put to you. If you don't answer questions that are going to provide me with more information, how am I supposed to help you?
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#314072 - 11/11/09 11:57 AM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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the strain took a good two weeks in a rooting cube made of some foamy stuff other than rock wool.
My mother plants have grown into amazing mothers in their new soil. I recently trimed them down from 3 feet to 1 foot and am now back into bonzai.ing them.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#314089 - 11/11/09 12:22 PM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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It sounds like you could just have a strain that takes a long time to root. Most of the strains I have worked with don't take 2 weeks to root, even in cubes.
Also where you take the cutting from can effect how easy and quick your clones will take root. You should always be taking cutting from the lower/older branches. Rooting hormones are more concentrated in the branches that are closest to he root system.
Another way to help your cutting root faster is to reduce the amount of nitrogen they have in them, and at the same time increasing the amount of carbohydrates. To do this you should flush your mother plants with a low nutrient solution a LOT for a few days before taking the cuttings.
Hopefully this will help you.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#314244 - 11/11/09 02:38 PM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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You haven't been listening. YOU are the ignorant one.
Take that jury rigged shit off the top of the cloner. It doesnt need that humidity dome if that what you wanna call that trash.
Trim your clones dude, how do you expect them to root when their maintaining those huge fan leaves.
Also trim the stem so that its not longer than the bottom of the netcup.
Get a 4 bulb 2 foot T5 and put it over the cloner at about 8 inches above.
DO NOT USE ANY NUTRIENTS OR HORMONES.
Ive said this 3 times in this thread so far, PAY ATTENTION.
Balance water to 5.8. Wait an hour and check it again, PH will balance out over time.
Your reading after adding PH up/down will vary from 5 minutes after you add it to an hour after you add it.
CHILL THE FUCK OUT AND WAIT 5 DAYS.
If you still fail then growing is not the hobby for you.
This is as simple as it gets.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#314965 - 11/12/09 09:58 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
azshroomer said:
Take that jury rigged shit off the top of the cloner. It doesnt need that humidity dome if that what you wanna call that trash.
I ended up taking it off to see if they drooped and they didnt so all is well.
I do not think that it will slow them down in anyway by haveing it. It had holes in it to allow air to get in and there is TONS of air blowing in the room. Thats why I had it to be safe since there is so much moving air.
Quote:
azshroomer said:
Trim your clones dude, how do you expect them to root when their maintaining those huge fan leaves.
Also trim the stem so that its not longer than the bottom of the netcup.
If I cut the stem shorter it wont be at the point were the other branches were growing out were roots form well from what I have read.
And they are rooting rite now. The last clones I took when I had nutes in the water started rooting too. I am just trying to get them to root very fast. Since I read 3 days rooting time that is why I built the thing. to increase rooting time. That has yet to happen but the clones definutly stay healhier which I am glad about.
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azshroomer said:
Get a 4 bulb 2 foot T5 and put it over the cloner at about 8 inches above.
DO NOT USE ANY NUTRIENTS OR HORMONES.
Ive said this 3 times in this thread so far, PAY ATTENTION.
Balance water to 5.8. Wait an hour and check it again, PH will balance out over time.
Your reading after adding PH up/down will vary from 5 minutes after you add it to an hour after you add it.
CHILL THE FUCK OUT AND WAIT 5 DAYS.
If you still fail then growing is not the hobby for you.
This is as simple as it gets.
Why do I need more light? They are not useing photosynthesis at this time. I do not understand what the added light will do other than controll weather they are in veg or bud mode.
And the hormone rinsed rite off so it had no effect on anything and that other guy says to use it and that he gets his roots in unheard of times to.
And all my clones are rooting rite now. 70% have root nubs and 50% of them were showing them selves yesterday.
The roots today I just checked them 5 mins ago are not even 1/4 an inch long. and in the next 2 days I doubt they will even be 1 inch long.
So I do not see how you have 2-3 inch long roots in 3 days as you claimed in your tech. even if they rooted 24 hours after you took them the roots still would not have had enough time to grow to your claimed length.
And I just looked and your teck again and it seems the pic of your 2-3 inch long roots in what I reemember it saying 3 days now says 4 at the bottom of the tek has been removed. I wonder why?
So to conclude aero cloning does not seem to increase root times in my real life experience but the clones do come out better. There is no yellowing or any discoloration as when done in cubes.
Edited by Budmanman (11/12/09 10:05 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Stoneth]
#315019 - 11/13/09 01:11 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
stoney.69 said:
You no issues huh.
I remember this
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/298855#298855
We've tryed helping, you just don't want help is all.
A working ezcloner roots faster and will root with or without rooting gels and/or powders.
Why you're having so much trouble is beyond me.
Here are my mother plants rite now. Currently bonzai'ing them,
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#315026 - 11/13/09 02:26 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Budmanman: What's wrong witchu? You don't even read the responses and double post every time. Put down the fucking coffee cup.
I told you how to leak proof the thing. You didn't listen. Now it's still leaking. Guess why?
Stop shitting on azshroomer because your using a crappy slow rooting strain in your piss shit aero cloner that you can't fucken build properly.
https://files.growery.org/files/g09-46/782571569-IMG_2086.jpg
Wtf is that? That looks like shit. No wonder your having fucking problems. Fucking build another one properly or just stfu.
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Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: TomCollins]
#315131 - 11/13/09 12:20 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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I never had any root pictures in the first place.
You have all the info you need in front of you, use it.
I will not be assisting you further on this issue.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: TomCollins]
#315218 - 11/13/09 04:48 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
Spency said:
Budmanman: What's wrong witchu? You don't even read the responses and double post every time. Put down the fucking coffee cup.
I told you how to leak proof the thing. You didn't listen. Now it's still leaking. Guess why?
Stop shitting on azshroomer because your using a crappy slow rooting strain in your piss shit aero cloner that you can't fucken build properly.
https://files.growery.org/files/g09-46/782571569-IMG_2086.jpg
Wtf is that? That looks like shit. No wonder your having fucking problems. Fucking build another one properly or just stfu.
why does it look like shit. That is an iner liner taped to the lid to hold it in place.
Are you blind or did you not read that its working perfect and is not leeking because of that ugly peace of plastic that is blocking it from leeking period.
Turns out you do not even need weather stripping period so it was his fault for ever suggesting that. So once the clones are transplanted I will just remove it.
The thing is working fine the roots are all over on the stems now. Still not much longer than 1/4 an inch.
The strain is PPP from a reputable site.
You say it looks like shit but its just wrapped in black plastic so you do not know what your even talking about.
I mean the only time that it looked like "shit" is the only time its worked like it is suppose to.
You are all like hanky and can eat a dick as he is your god anyway.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#315219 - 11/13/09 04:48 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
azshroomer said:
I never had any root pictures in the first place.
You have all the info you need in front of you, use it.
I will not be assisting you further on this issue.
Oh you had rooting pictures. The picture is what prompted me to build it.
But you have conviently removed them
And you have helped very little.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#315220 - 11/13/09 04:49 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
azshroomer said:
You haven't been listening. YOU are the ignorant one.
Why don't you go back through the thread and look at how little you helped.
To top it off.... I helped you learn that you do not need weather stripping.
You even added it to your tech.
Edited by Budmanman (11/13/09 04:52 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#315221 - 11/13/09 04:55 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
Magash said:
You may want to realize that most people that use root cubes and say they see roots busting out in 7 days are full of shit. Expect more like 14 to 21 with most strains.
Magash even says people lie about rooting times.
That's how I first learned that people like to lie on here like there is no tomorrow.
This is the same thing that is happening here. Just lieing about aero cloning not cubes same thing.
Edited by Budmanman (11/13/09 04:56 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#315463 - 11/14/09 02:00 PM (15 years, 9 days ago) |
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So here they are on day 8.
I decided since they have rooted that they can handle a large light load so I put them under my 400 watt ceramic metal halide along with the moms.
Edited by Budmanman (11/14/09 02:00 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Budmanman]
#315827 - 11/15/09 08:54 AM (15 years, 9 days ago) |
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What kind of timer are you guys using with these cloners? I know stinkbud called for a timer that would turn on for 1min every 5mins, but I could not find one that would take these settings. My timer is currently set to run for 15mins every hour which could be the cause of my slow rooting times. Does anyone have a suggestion on a timer I could get? Or would this setting be fine?
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Jeff Funk]
#318595 - 11/19/09 03:41 PM (15 years, 4 days ago) |
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Here's the timer
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-artdne-adjustable-recycle-timer-wdaynight-function-p-541.html
If you're gonna be running multiple pumps, like 3 or more off the same timer you need a relay. Whole nother deal. But easy to do.
Dude with the leak problem put the contractor bag inside the rez with the draw tight closer outside of the lid like you have it. Rez temps and all kinds of other environmental factors (like topside foliage) will have an impact on root speed. Ambient temps in the summer produced different root rates than fall when it's cooler. When you get it sorted it will do roots in three days.
Where the hell are you located or what is your cultural background? Sounds to me like we have a failure to communicate based on cultural differences. If thats the case we can adjust our thinking and be a little more tolerant of the fact that you come across as a prick and work a little harder at helping you.
Edited by Llih0046 (11/19/09 03:48 PM)
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: Llih0046]
#319215 - 11/20/09 03:43 PM (15 years, 3 days ago) |
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Thanks for the contribution Llih.
budman, there were never any root shots. Must have been another tech.
I never added any because i forgot to.
Also, I didnt say to use weather stripping at all in my tech. I had forgotten to remove it from the item needed list.
I most certaintly didnt add it to the tech due to you, I simply remembered to remove it from the items needed list.
Now after you have bitched and complained and acted like a general douchebag you have seen that it does indeed work.
4-5 mins off, 1 min on for timer
5.8ph
straight tap
no nutrients
check ph daily
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roots in under 4 days.
Maybe next time around you'll get those roots in 3 days with the proper environment.
Also, dont put em under MH until they have bigger roots.
Like about a foot long and youll notice topside growth.
Then you will want to move em into the stinkbud veg unit and introduce nutrients and the more powerfull lighting.
Clones dont need that much light.
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Re: Built an aero cloner and I can not get it to stop leaking! [Re: azshroomer]
#319426 - 11/20/09 11:54 PM (15 years, 3 days ago) |
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getting ready to build one of these my self
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