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 Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) 
#114900 - 08/27/08 01:52 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got these seeds from a vancouver seed store when i was there. I have to admit they were just the cheapest ones they had  I need to check with my friend what strain they are, i forget.
Anyway, i am growing indoors in a box i am putting on the wall.....seeing as my living space is only about 4x4 meters plus a bathroom, i gave up stealth....if they come i am screwed no mater where it is i think. so may as well make it convenient. 
My goal is not so much getting good bud as getting seeds, so this will be a male and female grow.
Edit, i just found out these are their "Outdoor seed mix".....whoops! goes to show, don't go seed shopping stoned and broke!
The Box
150cm (5') wide by 163cm (5'3") tall by 45cm deep (15").
it is above the ground hanging over my computer, or will be once finished.
venting etc will come soon.
Aug 28 did a little bit.....gotta get off my ass and do some more soon.
Aug 30, finished the framed doors, just gotta sheet the outside and pain/seal and do the lights and vents.
Aug 31.
All but painting, venting and some minor things like latches, light adjustments etc.
Sept 1.
Box is almost done, just need to light proof it and get the filter and venting done....and play with the lights cause they are pretty ghetto right now!
the box is done now minus venting/carbon scrubber. i have everything except the carbon to make it, so i will do so when the plants are stinky.
  
Lighting
I plan on using fluorescent the whole way. this is because it is very hot where i live and the last thing i need is a hot light setup. for breeding i dont see why fluoro wont do a great job 
Veg Lighting
1x 75watt 6500K cfl 65L/W 4875 4255
1x 65W 3000K cfl 65L/W(the 2700k were $20 more for the same wattage...???)
2x 32w 6500K cfl 68L/W 4352
4x 24" tubes (3 6500K, 1 2700K) 73L/W
total watts 284, total Lumens 19322
Flower lighting (should i up this?)
2x 65W CFl 3000K 65L/W 8450
2x 32w fl 2700K 68L/W 4352
4x 24" tubes 2700K 73L/W
total watts 274, total Lumens 18642
Soil
I havn't mixed anything yet, but i was thinking a coco coir, perlite, manure and some nice rich dirt from my garden. I always eyeball everything anyway, so who knows how it will turn out?
Climate
Hot and humid here, so this may bring up some issues. its always high 20's to 30's C.....will need to work something out for this.
The Plants
I am starting with just 2 plants at first to see what sexes i get. i don't want more than 2 plants growing at a time to keep smell down. This is a breeding not a harvest, so i want 1 male and one female and get a good supply of seed for the future (impossible to get here).
August 26 i put 2 seeds into paper towel to germinate.
Aug. 27, they are splitting and i can see the tap root poking through.
Aug. 28 got root. just realized i have no coco left, gotta go get some tomorrow and plant these up.
Aug 29.
Planted in their own pots. about 2 gallon pots.
Aug 30.
1 has sprouted. i call this one Micky.
Aug 31. one died in a huge heat spike, Micky is good and the 2 seeds are sprouting well.
Micky:
seeds:
Sept 2 or 3 ???
only one of the seeds made it, some worms were eating the other one???
here is "Minni"
and here is "micky"
September 4, i burned em and heat stressed em badly that day!
micky.
 
September 07
micky is finally starting to grow faster now, can actually see growth daily.
 
Minni is alive....lol...too hot for her.
Sept 09
Micky
Sept 11
micky (the other one died!!!shit!)
  
Sept 15.
  
Sept 16
Sept 22
  
Sept 26
it is branching from every leaf node!
  
here it is, 31 days old.
   
October 2
   
October 5
Looking good, all clones have decent roots. took 3 more clones. the roots are a day or 2 ago.
   
 
more pics as things progress.
peace
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Uns4ne]
#115822 - 08/29/08 11:51 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks....its getting there.....the box will be done this weekend minus venting....gotta go fan shopping.
also started 2 more seeds, cause i figured the chances of starting 2 seeds and getting a pair are low.
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Uns4ne]
#116042 - 08/30/08 06:04 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes indeed....but it is proving to be a big problem!!! i cant find good ones that fit the bill. i found the perfect SIZED fan, but it doesn't push shat 
know any good online stores with decent prices?
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Chapter 4]
#119796 - 09/09/08 07:17 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sept 09 (13 days since seeds were started)
does this seem a little small for 13 days since i put the seeds into germ?
here is micky.
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Hefe]
#120154 - 09/10/08 03:27 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i probably wont flip for a few weeks, i plan to do scrog, so i need to train em a bit.
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Sirius]
#120662 - 09/11/08 08:55 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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well, we got a visitor today! this cute little lady big few in. i left one of the doors open on the box, cause it was SMOKING hot today!!! almost 40 in the living room! thats Celsius.... in the box, i didnt want to look...i just opened the door, cranked the fan and shut the lights off for a bit lol.
i do have a question/concern.
generally animals stick around if there is food.....lady bugs eat pain in the ass insects, such as aphids and others we dont want on our plants....should i be worried???? there are ants, and a couple other unknown flying bugs that are around the box, but not damaging the plant...could the ladybug be around for that?
spider mites and other nasty bugs have never been a problem on my other plants, and i do grow other tasty plants inside.
the smaller one sure seems to be growing slooooooooowwwwwwww. still just starting its first set of true leaves....
ps. anyone else having upload troubles with pics here? keeps timing out and/or failing/"interrupted" on me
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Chapter 4]
#122587 - 09/15/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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so i rearranged my lights last night cause i couldnt sleep. i would like some feedback to see if it ok or not.
at the back are 2 24" 6500K
the 2 big cfls are 65 W (2700K) and 75 watt(6500K, rightside)
behind the 75 w is a 32 watt 2700k
the 2 little ones are 22 watt 6500k and one bigger 32 w 2700k
as the plants grow they will have additional tubes at the back wall to give light lower down.
most of he 6500K will be switched to 2700K when 12/12 is on.
any suggestions?
and the bigger plant...the other aint doing shit....:(
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Sirius]
#122852 - 09/16/08 12:45 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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excellent points!
the tubes at the back are to the left because when the plants grow and i take cuttings i plan on have 4 plants in here, and the pic above is only half the cab.
here is a pic to show the whole thing.
not sure if you can see them, but there are 2 small boards (2x2) going up the back wall, this is where i am planning on screwing the 24 or 48 inch tubes (things may change...also thinking about t5). i hope for these to provide enough light lower down...i may install some on the side walls as well. any thoughts about that? i may also just put a double on each of the 4 posts on the back wall (theres only 2 there now) going vertical.
the cfl spacing was simply due to lack of materials, i am adding 2 more fixtures to that front row next time i go to town
the whole cfl thing is one wooden frame with a piece of painted ply on top to reflect the light. there are 4 screws holding it to the frame, so as i move it i just unscrew and screw it in higher up. right now the the big bulbs are 3" away and the ones hanging down are 3-5" away, roughly.
i plan to have 2 of these, one on each side of the cabinet....if i choose to use the other side for pot. those little seedlings in front are not weed, they don't like huge intense light, so they are pretty happy there
so i should add more soil to the pots? easy enough the smaller plant will have to wait, i dont know what i did to it but it sure aint happy and has completely stalled....maybe heat stress?
thanks for the help bro!
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Chapter 4]
#125426 - 09/25/08 11:32 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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here it is today, Sept 26. this one now has 7 finger leaves, and is branching a lot! in about 2 weeks i hope to take a couple cuttings and will 12/12 the cuttings to check sex. its about 8" tall now at day 27. is this a little small for the age you guys think? 4 weeks and only 8"? its pretty damn compact though, and very sturdy.
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: freepain]
#125450 - 09/25/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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those pics were taken with the daylight bulbs on and a flash, so not the real color...the yellow leaves i am thinking its the ph. it used to be around 7-7.5, i am working on getting it lower, its 6.5 now...suggestions are more than welcome!
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: freepain]
#125458 - 09/25/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks bro. unfortunately i cant find sulfur, or most chemicals/minerals here
couple good tables for ph adjustments here:
http://ohioline.osu.edu/agf-fact/0507.html
http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~blpprt/lowerpH.html
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: 81renaissance]
#126537 - 09/29/08 01:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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31 days old from germination...honestly, are these small in your opinion? when i used to grow outdoor, plants would be at least 1-2 feet by now....
my plan has changed a bit. I plan on dividing my cabinet into 2 sides. the left side (currently not used for weed) will be home to 2 bonsai plants, 1 male one female kept in veg.
the right side i will take clones and 12/12 them when larger. is it ok to keep a male and female in veg, so long as they dont flower?
i have taken 4 cuttings from this plant today, not big but i am impatient! they are all 2-3" long, fingers crossed. i used rooting hormone and popped in some coco/perlite with a humidity dome under the lights.
i also fertilized again today.
here it is, 31 days old.
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Sirius]
#126837 - 09/30/08 07:20 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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great thanks guys! those last pics you quoted i took at night....its just the light, i will take some more in an hour to get true colour. those pics were at f29 and 25 second shutter speed lol.
the ones that droop, could be from my taking cuttings, i kind of smashed it a bit. i am not sure, the leaves are pretty dark though! but they are also quite firm. not very bendy, they spring back right away when bent.
i will lay off the N though, cause i know i have given it a lot. i am also going to be giving it a light top dress with some home made ferts made of various poos and composts (like a super rich soil) so i want to use that instead of ferts for a bit, see how it goes...works GREAT on my herbs!
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Chapter 4]
#127443 - 10/01/08 01:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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some pics of the setup as is and the real colour of the plant.
I also broke my light area, so i gotta get some more wood to fix it....its hanging in there until then lol.
I also took some clones a few days ago, and they all have small roots now! not bad for 3-4 days. i used 60/40 coco and perlite LIKE stuff (its actually rock for cacti) inside clear plastic cups under the same light as mommy, just further away. they all look great!
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#129578 - 10/06/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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redid the divider and light area....so now i got room of another dozen or so fixtures...gotta get me some wire and lights now. i am a little shocked how much the cfls raise the temps if i turn the fan off...yikes.
pics tomorrow
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Chapter 4]
#130456 - 10/08/08 01:13 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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i repotted today....i had this cool thing from the store that fits my area perfect and is 12" tall...thats a 12"x24"x14" pot....but it was expensive and my wife made me return it
so i decided to use this POS setup and make a ghetto log just plain poor lol....these are cake boxes.....a total of 4 gallons. this will be my parents pot, and another for the opposite sex i will keep in veg in the other side.
i also redid the divider (not painted yet), and the lights. still some more fixtures i am going to add (another 5). I also finished the basics of the carbon filter....just need to get carbon, cut a whole and put it in...no rush, not stinky yet.
the new mix has some added snail shit, chicken shit, and a touch of worm poop as well as more coco and pumice.
cuttings also repotted into 1.5 liter pots, same mix as bigger plant. cuttings' roots are a good 4" ball when repotted about 10 days old.
 
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: aeburnside]
#131672 - 10/12/08 06:40 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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i just cut up the big one into more cuttings...looks like a poodle that just got a hair cut.
i am going to flower the cuttings once they are a tad bigger...the bigger plant i could flower now, but i am going to keep it as a bonsai mom (dad?) for cuttings. sure hope its a girl, cause i have 15 cuttings now lol. guess i should of just taken one to find out first, but i tend to get bored at night when im drunk....so i take cuttings.
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Zifnab69]
#134678 - 10/20/08 07:36 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hav edecided to place the big one in flower, i can't wait anymore....i am using the cuttings for mothers down the road....and i want to know sex before i take too many cuts lol.
i have now setup lights (still need to buy a few more bulbs), left side is veg, right side is flower. Only thing left is air filter....im a bit of a dog fucker.
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#134712 - 10/20/08 01:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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everything is 100% adjustable. its night so you cant see well the rest of it...but there is another 3 feet of stretch room above.....but the plant is only like 12" so i don't think it will stretch 4 feet hehe.
the reason the veg ones are on flower pots instead of lowering the lights is....im drunk and thats high up....ladder is downstairs...so pots work well enough
the lights all pull out and move up, no more screws. both sides are pretty much the same except the light colour and flower is on 12/12 veg is 24 (going to switch to 18/6 when i get another timer).
flower room has 8 sockets (need to pick up more bulbs when my honey aint with me), veg only has 4...both sides have 2 double 24" tubes, to throw light at the base a bit.
any thoughts on improving it?
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Re: Vancouver seed bank Grow Log (and box construction) [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#135521 - 10/22/08 09:13 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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cools thanks penguin! moving closer now. also got some more red lights, 3x 33w 68L/W. 2700k.
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