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 legallyhomeless
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 Tying plants down 
#94789 - 07/27/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was wondering the benifits of tying plants down. I tied down 12 plants earlier because I heard it helped but could anyone explain more in depth why? Also... I snapped one because I got a little agressive with it. It didnt break all the way through and I managed rig it so it stayed up like it wasnt broken. Will it heal its self????  thanks!
p.s. Ive read about topping plants as well, but I never understood that. I suppose its too late for that anywho
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The idea is height and space management. Indoors, pruning allows you to make more use of space and to make a plant fit your space. Also with some teks, for increased yield. Outdoors, its to keep it on the dl. I have other types of plants that have survived fractures in the stems. My Big Max pumpkin vine's main stem got broken halfway through from the wind. Its still kicking it. Its fucking huge actually.
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: Eleutherios]
#95341 - 07/28/08 02:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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it exposes part of the stem to light where new shoots which in turn make bud sites will grow towards the light.
the snapped one might be ok. if they were hardy enough to snap, theyre old enough to repair if somethin like that happens. ive had ppl snap full branches off of mine...assholes.
and topping, same with most plants, kills that main shoot and forces two new ones. so top once have 2 shoots, twice, 4 three times 6
get it.
i personally would rather let it grow how it grows, i dont care if my yield is less, its worth it to me
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Tying plants down is called Light Stress Training. (L.S.T.) Searching for "light stress training" should give you a lot more info on the subject.
It's supposed to give you some of the same growth benefits (bushier plant) as topping with less stress since you aren't actually cutting the plant.
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: Chronicbs]
#95420 - 07/28/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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read this and this for some tie-down advice
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: Yrat]
#95495 - 07/28/08 03:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Light Stress Training. (L.S.T.)
eh, ill be the anal one here, the L stands for low 
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: coda]
#95504 - 07/28/08 04:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I ended up breaking and then bending some wire hangers in half. Pulling the top of the plant all the way to the ground, I put the hanger over the plant and pushed the points into the ground. I only have about a 12x8 area to work with and my big plants take up most of that space when tied down. This is another concern of mine considering there is about another 2 months of veg time. Im a little concerned on what Im going to do on space...maybe a spiral so they get light in the middle and the outer edges? AHHH
I think I have a few males in there as well but Im not so sure. Its been awhile since Ive grown this wonderful plant. The majority have 2 pistles and a few have 1 pistle and 1 little ball.
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Quote:
legallyhomeless said:
This is another concern of mine considering there is about another 2 months of veg time.
Why is there two more months of veg time? The amount of time you leave your plants in the vegetative state is pretty much up to you, although it is usually best to allow them to reach sexual maturity, which is usually about four to six weeks. It sounds like you should flip them to 12/12.
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: coda]
#95573 - 07/28/08 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
coda said:
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Light Stress Training. (L.S.T.)
eh, ill be the anal one here, the L stands for low
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training plants in general is to achieve
even and fuller canopy's for light penetration
height management - say your growing a pure sativa you would need 12-15 feet of clearance to hang your lights without training.
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: Sirius]
#95616 - 07/28/08 06:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Sirius said:
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legallyhomeless said:
This is another concern of mine considering there is about another 2 months of veg time.
Why is there two more months of veg time? The amount of time you leave your plants in the vegetative state is pretty much up to you, although it is usually best to allow them to reach sexual maturity, which is usually about four to six weeks. It sounds like you should flip them to 12/12.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Frankly, I blame the hash. 
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: Sirius]
#95990 - 07/29/08 01:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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dont blame the hash.
and dont call me frankly.
the coat hanger is a Just Me tek... bookmark that shit.
OUTDOOOOOOOOOOOOR FTW!!!
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: just me]
#96001 - 07/29/08 01:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh. bro,
if you tied down THOSE plants, they were WAY old for a tie down. im curious to see how they turn out.
you shouldve let those huge ladies just blossom
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: just me]
#96018 - 07/29/08 01:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't bother training outdoor plants. I'd just top them.
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nah, start a plant early. late february, early march, and tie her down till she flowers and you have a bathtub sized bush.
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: just me]
#96039 - 07/29/08 01:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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the thing is where I live I wouldn't bother watering and I know enough good locations where I'd just spend my time planting more trees.
depending on location not training your plants could be more guerilla too like say you plant near some berry bushes or something.
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very true.
guerilla is WAY differnt tho than a maintained crop.
you can always add a few handfuls of polymer crystals to the land youve dug up for your plants and pretty much let mama nature do her thing.
but if you have the time and ability to visit your plants several times a week. then lst works well, and/or growing them out as God intended them. big huge center cola 
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: just me]
#96071 - 07/29/08 01:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you consider some outdoor plants yield like 1-2lbs you won't get better results from training them :P
Each visit makes you more and more likely of getting busted to.
I like to plant and skidaddle.
Next season I'll be planting critical mass and cinderella 99 lots of them. Prehaps some others.
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then make sure you get about 5lbs of polymer.
trust bro. outdo is my ting.
and go back to my post a long ways ago, i said i like to let them do their thing.
but if you insist on tying, or topping. you can make some HUGE outdo bushes
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: just me]
#96151 - 07/29/08 02:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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polymers hold and slowly release water? I've heard a lot about them from outdoor growers but never tried myself.
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theyre AWESOME!!!
i had a 6" clone with 2' of roots cuz of them
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Re: Tying plants down [Re: just me]
#96225 - 07/29/08 08:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can make some HUGE outdo bushes
while you can make huge bushes, each plant has a genetic threshold for total yield. So even if you did make a plant the size of a bathtub, it may produce the same amount of bud had you just left it alone. That being said, it doesn't hurt to LST your plants to encourage the best yield, but at some point you'll hit a ceiling and all you'll end up doing is producing many small buds, instead of fewer, larger ones.
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Quote:
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If you consider some outdoor plants yield like 1-2lbs you won't get better results from training them :P
just so I'm credited for saying it first :o
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: just me]
#96265 - 07/29/08 11:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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just me said:
i personally would rather let it grow how it grows, i dont care if my yield is less, its worth it to me
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: just me]
#96657 - 07/29/08 05:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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, i dont care if my yield is less
fail!
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OK well I have one more question for everyone. Im beginning to see preflowers I believe but I need some help. Some of the plants are showing 2 hairs and some are showing 1 hair and a little ball.
Where SHOULD I be looking?
Are preflowers 100% acurate?
I feel like I should get rid of the males because they are just taking up space. I dont remember but I think 1 or 2 of them is also showing 2 hairs and a ball. HELP!!
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haha, you should get rid of the males for many different reasons,
the main being its gonna polinate your fems.
if you want some seeds, then do the breeding yourself, but get the males OUT OUT OUT, when he or they smell those ladies, theyre gonna blow all over them and your gonna have a seedy mess.
get some more pics up bro.
when in doubt yank em out.
if theyve got balls enough for you to question it, theyre most likely males. but get some pics up so we can say
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: just me]
#101812 - 08/03/08 03:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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when in doubt yank em out.
I don't know if one should really say that, since the preflowers could just be forming and they can sometimes be ambiguous at first. By the time it would be risky to wait, it should be pretty clear what sex they are, I would think.
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: Sirius]
#101825 - 08/03/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ill have pics up later 
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: Sirius]
#101826 - 08/03/08 05:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah sorry i didnt clarify.
i thought i said somethin along the lines that if its far enough to have them polinate, its far enough to tell whether theyre male or fem.
but i didnt.
so now we must battle 
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: just me]
#101830 - 08/03/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I took about 15 pics and this is the only one that you can kind of make out but its still blurry.
You can see the 2 little hairs. Obviously this one is female. A few of the others are showing these too but a few are not. I ripped one out that was def male (tall, not bushy, not hairs). The others are iffy
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thats definately fem fem zala bem
lets see your suspects tho
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: just me]
#102509 - 08/04/08 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ill do what I can. It will be a few days. I am going have to mark the fems so I remember.
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or yank the males if we can positively ID them all, and help you to better understand which ones ARE males.
cuz you dont want them impregnating your ladies brahhhhhh
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: just me]
#103171 - 08/05/08 01:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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by the time a males pollen sacs are mature it would be so very easy to tell tis a male
it has little pods all over the place.
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I still have time before flowering starts
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Quote:
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Ill do what I can. It will be a few days. I am going have to mark the fems so I remember.
Thats how I do it guerrilla style, just a process of elimination. Yank the definite males, mark the definite females, and if some are still a question, come back in a week or two.
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captain.koons
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planting clonez woulda been so much easier :o
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legallyhomeless
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Quote:
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planting clonez woulda been so much easier :o
Easier said then done. I started with 20 seeds... LATE in the season
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Cloning is a lot less work than traveling to your outdoor grow and sexing your plants. If you have difficulties you may have to return.
Cloning also gives you a few extra weeks of growth.... also gives you a chance to make sure you have a strong root system.
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Well I found out which were my males. They started getting big clusters of seeds. Ripped em out.... 4 of them  sad day
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do you mean clusters of nads?
seeds form on the females brah.
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seeds on fems
fat nasty NUTS on males.
so how many you got left?
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: just me]
#107026 - 08/10/08 07:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wait wait... what? I might have fucked up.? There were bug clusters of ball shaped things towards the tops of the plants so I pulled thoes plants out and destroyed them  . The remaining plants had white hairs that are beginning to get rather long. I sprayed everything with organic pesticides because Im starting to see a little bug problem.
I wish I knew what strain these were. Started with 20, lost 2, broke a few, got rid of the males, and now I have 6 fems and 2 still to be determined
Now that my males are gone... my females are awefuly close even tied down.. Im wondering if I should let them grow straight up again... any advise appreciated
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sounds like you did the correct thing. those were males, but they weren't growing seeds, just their big ball-like flowers.
even tied down, the females should start growing straight up again soon. just with many more branches filling in more space.
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Re: Tieing plants down [Re: Yrat]
#107195 - 08/10/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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But should I take the hangers out of the ground and just let them grow? Since they have been tied down, they have about 5 or 6 "plants" growing from the main stem, which is sweet but the branches on the bottom arent doing much other just chillin on the ground.
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i wouldnt undo it now.
maybe you should experiment with one
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