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spirit_shadow said:
I'm not fucking up my money. I just think the whole concept of it is stupid and archaic. As I said I am forced to be in this current system so I operate within the systems rules. That does not mean I can not disagree with the system.

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This. You can play the game and realize its bullshit.

Currency was created as a universal medium with which to barter. Instead of directly exchanging goods, you exchange goods for magical paper or shiny coins, and then use that universal exchange medium to procure other goods that you need.

It makes bartering easier, because instead of having to produce cotton and clothing because the baker only needs clothing, you can focus on only producing cotton, exchange it with the local textile mill or whatever, and then using that universal medium to get bread from the baker.

The reason we (humans) need the concept of money at all is because we are tiny-minded. If we could choose to operate as a cohesive society, then resources and goods produced from those resources would be shared as needed. There would be no wealthy or powerful, and there would be no poor or subjugated. We would all have what we needed, and the society could re-direct what is currently excessive and unnecessary resource consumption (like mining/refining semiconductor materials, assembling them into ASICs using extremely energy-intensive and water-hogging processes like photolithography, and then burning shitloads of fossil fuels to produce shitloads of electrical energy, just to convert it to waste heat solving made up math problems to generate virtual money via the concept of proof of work (aka the digital currency is worth what you sacrifice in energy)) towards protein folding simulations that help to fast-track medical research, toward space exploration (look at all we've accomplished when NASA's budget is 3% of the size of the US defense budget), and toward the next few steps in humanity's evolution.

The problem is that we separate into tribes based on made-up differences, establish made-up physical boundaries to separate the tribes, realize that we can't live that way and establish overly-complicated diplomatic and trade policies, and then use violence to fill in the rest. We almost have that unanimous agreement to share resources and work toward common goals, but still cling to our old concepts of ownership, tribes, countries, and money, which are all human-created institutions that wouldn't be needed if we could just get past our monkey-brain methods of doing things that haven't been relevant since we came up with agriculture.

How do I know this? Because I'm Data and I live in a time when money is no longer a relevant concept for the United Federation of Planets. 

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spirit_shadow said:
Fuck all current political ideologies. There needs to be a new better system. But as I said people are crazy and won't want to do it, therefore wars. Oh well I don't care about any of it honestly.

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spirit_shadow said:
Fuck all current political ideologies. There needs to be a new better system. But as I said people are crazy and won't want to do it, therefore wars. Oh well I don't care about any of it honestly.

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i don't know what to do with all my freedoms, i desire more regulations

trust me, where you are now is about as good as it gets, and if you have complaints there are places that would pay you to help them save money trying to help other people. The world aint so bad. Especially not in the US. There's a reason so many people are trying to come here and it's not tyranny lol

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But isn't that mentality a stagnant cop-out as well? If it's about as good as it gets, then why bother existing? Comparing your situation to situations that you know are worse, or comparing the present situation to the past is not so much an indication that we've reached the pinnacle of existence, but more a proof that the constant struggle to be better than we are now results in positive change.

For instance, the US is a country founded on liberty and democracy. Yet, we are now consistently rated as a backsliding democracy by many metrics, and there are several countries that have more transparent and fair democracies that place more governance with the people of those countries. Is our system better than the majority of the world? Fuck yea. Is the best system in the world? Fuck no. Can we work to try and be the best system in the world? I hope so.

Same thing with unrestricted capitalism. Do you technically have the ability in a free-market economy to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, combine intelligent planning with a shitload of hard work, and rise from the lower or middle classes to be a millionaire? Yea of course you can. But there are problems with that system where the first to reach that state of extreme wealth and power can use that power to manipulate the economical ecosystem to keep up-and-coming businesses struggling for the leftovers, or can make starting a business prohibitively expensive or competitive to the point where simply working for the larger corporations is an easier and more reliable way to make ends meet and be comfortable. Additionally, institutions founded on and primarily motivated by money and assets historically do not act in the best interest of the people or the environment. This sort of power and wealth concentration into a small group of people also tends to allow individual biases and prejudices that deviate from the majority population to be baked into the laws and policies of the country, which tend to favor certain populations more than others. This has the overall effect of not being truly free and equal, and it really depends who your parents/friends are. I'm living proof of this problem in the US. I freely admit that while I worked hard and sacrificed to get where I am, that I had a lot of help and extra opportunity being born into a family of middle-class, well-networked white family in one of the nicer states in the south at that time, and I probably would be no where near where I am without that extra push from the environment that I was lucky enough to be born in.

On the flip-side, communism is a failed implementation of socialism that claimed but failed to deliver on eliminating the class struggle, and used that claim to funnel resources and power up to an elite few, just like unrestricted capitalism inevitably does. This was spirit's point that most modern ideologies in their pure forms are fucked and lead to corruption and tyranny. They function in some respects, and are better than their predecessors from the middle ages and before, but tend to drift into dystopia as they mature. I (and I imagine spirit) believe that there is a way to combine some of the positives of each ideology, in order to avoid the negative states and effects that each pure ideology tends to drift into.

This struggle to remove obvious flaws and work towards better solutions than we have today is what built up modern society, and will be what pushes until the next step.

Anyway, I keep talking like all of this IS the way some other Mandalorian BS, when its just my opinion...so definitely take it as that. I don't want this to turn into some boomery-level shitshow thread haha.