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XUL said:
Build the wall, stop asylum seekers, stop chain migration, stop all immigration, and go America first! Blood and soil.

MAGA

Who here is voting for America first?

 

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I love how you are using a quote originally coined by German National Socialist (Nazi) ideology to peddle for Trump's re-election. Not surprising considering your apparent growing denial of the holocaust, but interesting considering your disdain for being labelled a racist or nazi for your ideas and political choices...

I also love how your entire argument is racially motivated. You haven't mentioned anything other than "keep out the immigrants, promote literal nazi ideologies, Trump 2020".

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XUL said:
Being labeled racist doesn't bother me, but we don't see ourselves that way.

Separatist would be more accurate. And we pray that our black American counterparts do well and stay healthy.

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Lol nice catch on the "segregationist" to "separatist" edit. However the argument used to try and differentiate separatist from segregationist is that voluntary segregation can be beneficial, as opposed to government mandated or enforced segregation.

However, you've argued in the past for government-enforced segregation based on racially-motivated control of demographics. Which is certainly not voluntary segregation...and therefore your belief system cannot fall under the guise of separatist.

Your ideas are thus defined as racial segregationism, which is also a form of racial discrimination, which as we have previously discussed is a subset of racism. Ergo, you are a racist, regardless of how you see it. You can call a dog turd a candy cane, but I bet even you wouldn't eat that newly named candy cane.

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I don't deny the holocaust. I dispute the numbers. Reparations were paid to Jews and an increase in deaths meant more reparations. There are no total counts of bodies, just estimates made by mostly Jewish people.

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So tell me again how you aren't a holocaust denier?

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Being labeled a racist is irrelevant to me.   

I support voluntary balkanization/segregation and a Separatist region if we are pushed to a corner. The region might consist of several very white states where land is bought up and used appropriately. Our innate tribalism must be had.

The main point of all of this is to maintain homogeneity and tradition in order to stave off anomie. Honoring family tradition, honoring thy mother and father, honoring our ancestors and how they lived, honoring God, honoring the sabbath, and so forth. These sorts of things stave off anomie. This is why you see leftists who hate nuclear families, hate the Church, and hate anything to do with traditional America. They seek the destruction of traditional American culture and to replace it -- hence the great replacement.

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So now you are advocating for balkanization, or the division of unified geographical areas into smaller autonomous areas that are usually hostile or uncooperative towards one another? As a backup, you advocate succession from America for whites? You realize that you are talking about the end of These United States, specifically based on racial concerns, and thus your ideas, motivations, and conclusions are not too far off from the southern white slave owners who's culture you just denied in another thread.

This seccession would not happen peacefully in America, we know this from historical events, and thus you are advocating for ideas that ultimately lead to racially-motivated violence, and in TSL of all places.

You should choose your terms carefully, since you seem to like using/misusing big vocabulary words. This is especially true in the context of the subject matter at hand.

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Because I don't deny the holocaust. I dispute the number of Jewish deaths.

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And as I've already explained, you denying that you are a holocaust denier by denying the definition of "holocaust denier" doesn't make you not-a-holocaust-denier.

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Mof said:
there was some wild stuff going on during that time period

you have no business taking sides with anyone if you are going to get uppidy about it
WW1 and 2 didn't just end, they were accompanied by some fucked up shit long after the peace treaties were signed, even Japan which was completely isolated from china had to deal with hundreds of thousands of people dying from cancer and having mutant babies, now just stop and think for a second what innocent Germanic people had to endure in all parts of europe

XUL has a valid point, most of the evidence is just hear-say, would never fly in court, Russia if tried under their own crimes would be jus as guilty having invaded like 14 countries before hand

also the yad vesham museum curates all of that stuff, a group of people in isreal lol how can a group of people in a make beleive country come up with all this evidence? they collect some census in which the people didn't check mark their religious affiliations, if they even are religious

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I don't even know how to start with this post...except that holocaust denial is a term with a definition, that includes denial of the magnitude of the genocide that took place against the European Jews. XUL self-labels himself a holocaust denier, and meets the necessary requirements to actually be one through his own words. Therefore, XUL is a holocaust denier. I am not taking sides, these are quite literally his words labeling him as such...even though he currently denies even that self-label.

I'm not sure why you are talking about the suffering of Japanese and Germanic people as a counter point to my assertion that the holocaust happened. Japan was not isolated from China, they invaded Manchuria in 1931 and then engaged in the 2nd Sino-Japanese war that claimed between 3.5 and 10 million chinese lives. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had a combined population of about 0.5 million at the times of the bombings. Even if we ignore every followup study showing a 95% 50 year survival rate for children who survived the bombings and the actual rates of cancer and birth defects that are significantly less than 100%...it is inconceivable that you could arrive at a casualty total of between 7x and 20x the combined population of those cities, and that is just comparing one engagement between Japan and another country to the purported atrocities suffered by the people of post-war Japan. All of this comparison is still serving a moot point, because admission of wrong doing in one event does not justify the denial of another act of wrongdoing.

By Germanic people, you are encompassing a large population spread across the allied and axis powers, as well as neutral countries in Europe, and yes, a lot of them suffered from the effects of WWII during and afterwards. I still don't see how this somehow invalidates the existence of the holocaust.

How is the testimony from high ranking german officers under oath and several independant methods for comparing European census data considered hear-say and unable to hold up in court? One was literal testimony in a court, and the other was a comparison of documents and records, the opposite of hear-say. With regards to Russia, once again, the fact that one country commits genocide and war crimes does not erase the fact that other countries commit genocide and war crimes.

Yad vesham is not the only source for holocaust numbers, European countries conducted censuses in the 1930s and 1940s, it wasn't the stone age. As I've said, multiple methodologies have been published that place the numbers at between 5 and 6 million pretty consistently. Also, all countries are make believe the US magically appeared about 244 years ago.

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European countries conducted censuses in the 1930s and 1940s

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One was literal testimony in a court, and the other was a comparison of documents and record

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.except that holocaust denial is a term with a definition, that includes denial of the magnitude of the genocide that took place against the European Jews.

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