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XUL said:
Build the wall, stop asylum seekers, stop chain migration, stop all immigration, and go America first! Blood and soil.

MAGA

Who here is voting for America first?

 

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I love how you are using a quote originally coined by German National Socialist (Nazi) ideology to peddle for Trump's re-election. Not surprising considering your apparent growing denial of the holocaust, but interesting considering your disdain for being labelled a racist or nazi for your ideas and political choices...

I also love how your entire argument is racially motivated. You haven't mentioned anything other than "keep out the immigrants, promote literal nazi ideologies, Trump 2020".

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XUL said:
Being labeled racist doesn't bother me, but we don't see ourselves that way.

Separatist would be more accurate. And we pray that our black American counterparts do well and stay healthy.

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Lol nice catch on the "segregationist" to "separatist" edit. However the argument used to try and differentiate separatist from segregationist is that voluntary segregation can be beneficial, as opposed to government mandated or enforced segregation.

However, you've argued in the past for government-enforced segregation based on racially-motivated control of demographics. Which is certainly not voluntary segregation...and therefore your belief system cannot fall under the guise of separatist.

Your ideas are thus defined as racial segregationism, which is also a form of racial discrimination, which as we have previously discussed is a subset of racism. Ergo, you are a racist, regardless of how you see it. You can call a dog turd a candy cane, but I bet even you wouldn't eat that newly named candy cane.

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XUL said:
I don't deny the holocaust. I dispute the numbers. Reparations were paid to Jews and an increase in deaths meant more reparations. There are no total counts of bodies, just estimates made by mostly Jewish people.

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So tell me again how you aren't a holocaust denier?

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XUL said:
Being labeled a racist is irrelevant to me.   

I support voluntary balkanization/segregation and a Separatist region if we are pushed to a corner. The region might consist of several very white states where land is bought up and used appropriately. Our innate tribalism must be had.

The main point of all of this is to maintain homogeneity and tradition in order to stave off anomie. Honoring family tradition, honoring thy mother and father, honoring our ancestors and how they lived, honoring God, honoring the sabbath, and so forth. These sorts of things stave off anomie. This is why you see leftists who hate nuclear families, hate the Church, and hate anything to do with traditional America. They seek the destruction of traditional American culture and to replace it -- hence the great replacement.

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So now you are advocating for balkanization, or the division of unified geographical areas into smaller autonomous areas that are usually hostile or uncooperative towards one another? As a backup, you advocate succession from America for whites? You realize that you are talking about the end of These United States, specifically based on racial concerns, and thus your ideas, motivations, and conclusions are not too far off from the southern white slave owners who's culture you just denied in another thread.

This seccession would not happen peacefully in America, we know this from historical events, and thus you are advocating for ideas that ultimately lead to racially-motivated violence, and in TSL of all places.

You should choose your terms carefully, since you seem to like using/misusing big vocabulary words. This is especially true in the context of the subject matter at hand.

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XUL said:
Because I don't deny the holocaust. I dispute the number of Jewish deaths.

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And as I've already explained, you denying that you are a holocaust denier by denying the definition of "holocaust denier" doesn't make you not-a-holocaust-denier.

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Mof said:
there was some wild stuff going on during that time period

you have no business taking sides with anyone if you are going to get uppidy about it
WW1 and 2 didn't just end, they were accompanied by some fucked up shit long after the peace treaties were signed, even Japan which was completely isolated from china had to deal with hundreds of thousands of people dying from cancer and having mutant babies, now just stop and think for a second what innocent Germanic people had to endure in all parts of europe

XUL has a valid point, most of the evidence is just hear-say, would never fly in court, Russia if tried under their own crimes would be jus as guilty having invaded like 14 countries before hand

also the yad vesham museum curates all of that stuff, a group of people in isreal lol how can a group of people in a make beleive country come up with all this evidence? they collect some census in which the people didn't check mark their religious affiliations, if they even are religious

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I don't even know how to start with this post...except that holocaust denial is a term with a definition, that includes denial of the magnitude of the genocide that took place against the European Jews. XUL self-labels himself a holocaust denier, and meets the necessary requirements to actually be one through his own words. Therefore, XUL is a holocaust denier. I am not taking sides, these are quite literally his words labeling him as such...even though he currently denies even that self-label.

I'm not sure why you are talking about the suffering of Japanese and Germanic people as a counter point to my assertion that the holocaust happened. Japan was not isolated from China, they invaded Manchuria in 1931 and then engaged in the 2nd Sino-Japanese war that claimed between 3.5 and 10 million chinese lives. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had a combined population of about 0.5 million at the times of the bombings. Even if we ignore every followup study showing a 95% 50 year survival rate for children who survived the bombings and the actual rates of cancer and birth defects that are significantly less than 100%...it is inconceivable that you could arrive at a casualty total of between 7x and 20x the combined population of those cities, and that is just comparing one engagement between Japan and another country to the purported atrocities suffered by the people of post-war Japan. All of this comparison is still serving a moot point, because admission of wrong doing in one event does not justify the denial of another act of wrongdoing.

By Germanic people, you are encompassing a large population spread across the allied and axis powers, as well as neutral countries in Europe, and yes, a lot of them suffered from the effects of WWII during and afterwards. I still don't see how this somehow invalidates the existence of the holocaust.

How is the testimony from high ranking german officers under oath and several independant methods for comparing European census data considered hear-say and unable to hold up in court? One was literal testimony in a court, and the other was a comparison of documents and records, the opposite of hear-say. With regards to Russia, once again, the fact that one country commits genocide and war crimes does not erase the fact that other countries commit genocide and war crimes.

Yad vesham is not the only source for holocaust numbers, European countries conducted censuses in the 1930s and 1940s, it wasn't the stone age. As I've said, multiple methodologies have been published that place the numbers at between 5 and 6 million pretty consistently. Also, all countries are make believe the US magically appeared about 244 years ago.

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One was literal testimony in a court, and the other was a comparison of documents and record

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.except that holocaust denial is a term with a definition, that includes denial of the magnitude of the genocide that took place against the European Jews.

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Amanita86 said:
There was a book out a few years back titled The Battle of Rome, and it got down to a street level on how jews and people who helped the jews ran networks and even waged attack on the natzis.  I think I have the right title, anyways, it’s a really good book if you’re ever interested in guerilla type fight strategies.  Just tossing that out there as I suspect those lessons will come into play again one of these days..

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Data said:
Lol mof, you sound just like a climate change denier.

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I'm not going to promote further deterioration of this thread into a discussion of whether the holocaust is a thing.

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the fact that you think there's hard data about that time period is entertaining to me
half of europe was under 4 different regime changes in the span of 10-20 years

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The Prime Minister of Poland has declared that paying compensation for Jewish property stolen during the Holocaust would be a “victory for Hitler” and he will never allow it to happen.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2019/05/19/polish-prime-minister-reparations-for-jewish-property-stolen-during-the-holocaust-would-be-victory-for-hitler/

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You have your anecdotal cherry picking of data and complex logical leaps to your conclusions. You do you, bruh.

I'll stick to census data comparisons and direct testimony from Nazi officers.

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I can take any data you have and rip it apart, visualize it, find patterns

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Mof said:
the point was that things are fucky
eye witness' lie a lot, don't even remember the face of the people who robbed them the majority of the time

I'll stick with forensic science on this
in my opinion there are still 1-2 million people missing out of the 6 gorillian (1 million of which died in combat, then maybe a million or couple million more who were relatives of the combatants, 100k dying from starvation after the war, 500k probably dying during the invasion from disease, having bombs dropped on them while they work in the factories which the allies targeted, etc.
I'd accuse the soviets of sweeping their kills under the rug before I'd accuse the nazi's of killing more than 1.5 million people in gassings)

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Pastor Paula White said:
"We declare any strange winds – any strange winds that have been sent to hurt the church, sent to hurt this nation, sent against the president, sent against myself, sent against others – we break it by the superior blood of Jesus right now," she said in the sermon earlier this month.

"In the name of Jesus, we command all satanic pregnancies to miscarry right now,” she also prayed. “We declare that anything that has been conceived in satanic wombs will miscarry, it will not be able to carry forth any plan of destruction, any plan of harm."

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Another win against immigration: "The Supreme Court will allow the Trump administration to enforce, for now, its "public charge" immigration restriction, lifting a pair of preliminary injunctions issued by federal judges. The administration’s rule would restrict immigrants entering the United States if the government believes they will rely on public assistance, such as housing or health care benefits."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-allows-trump-administration-to-enforce-public-charge-immigration-restriction?fbclid=IwAR1D6d0lX8wpTxWUVDkWAGIc9z93xE02JxwGfryzsyNGJkT0snZqsTnfOBI

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Amanita86 said:
You’re a bad person for wanting a countries assistance programs to benefit it’s actual citizens.

Boy that opens a can of worms, assistance programs and who they benefit..

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We pay for these people to come spread their crappy beliefs. Statues toppled, heritage spit on, and guns ready to be voted out.

There is no turning back from any of this if we let it keep going. Our culture and ancestors' work will be gone forever.



https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2014/10/16/chapter-2-latinos-views-on-selected-2014-ballot-measure-issues/

We need an entire moratorium on immigration. And then we need a moratorium on anyone receiving benefits. Use the money we saved to build the wall.

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I don’t have very high hopes of this ‘experiment’ working out favorably.  There’s just too many pieces of shit in the world, of all races, creeds and colors.  Our slave masters are now fully armed governments and they do not like it when we ask for our freedom.  It’s just too chaotic to isolate the problem and fix it, the house is coming down and I don’t think it’s too far off.

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Mof said:
he's increased legal immigration 4x as much

better than nothin i guesss
the dems' jus don't care

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Mof said:
he's increased legal immigration 4x as much

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/27/u-s-projected-to-add-1-5m-illegal-aliens-to-population-this-year/

The United States is projected to add about 1.5 million illegal aliens to the American population by the end of the year, should current rates of Catch and Release, border crossings, and visa overstays pan out.

This year, the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Catch and Release policy — whereby border crossers and illegal aliens are readily released from federal custody into the interior of the U.S. — is on track to release roughly 434,000 border crossers and illegal aliens into the country by the end of the year. This projection is based on current estimates that more than 36,000 border crossers and illegal aliens have been released from DHS custody every month since the beginning of the year.

America’s working and middle class have their wealth redistributed to the country’s top earners through wage stagnation.

Research by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine has discovered that immigration to the country shifts about $500 billion in wages away from working and middle class Americans toward new arrivals and economic elites.

Illegal immigration under the Trump administration this year is projected to surpass every year of illegal immigration levels that the Obama administration oversaw, as Breitbart News has noted. Kopits, the Princeton Policy researcher, expects there to be 775,000 border crossings alone this year. This would be a level of illegal immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border not seen since President George W. Bush was in office.

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Jenny said:
well, he didn't get impeached

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Jenny said:
well, he didn't get impeached

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Data said:
Mother.Fucking.Lawl

What's even sweeter than Biden winning the election is Trump's little bitch-fit on twitter.

   

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