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Amanita86 said:
You ever read what Jesus said?

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It was more of a "he said she said" kinda thing.

The "she" being Jesus, "he" being the various authors of different books in the new testament...written several decades to half a century after she died, and then arbitrarily chosen to become the canon texts from a slew of other different/contradictory accounts of her words some 2 centuries later.

But yea, I grew up in a Christian family, I've read it all and sat through Sunday school and sermons, then later catachism classes and "camp meeting" community revivals for some chick I was dating. I was always iffy about the whole thing, and became much more sure that christianity was not for me about the time I was in middle school.

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Data said:
That part of the celebration has been twisted into the primary focus by our society, and as a grumpy old non-christian fart, I hate that.

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You don't have to.

I don't think our household is doing presents this year.

But we are Christian and we decorated.

Instead, I will praise Jesus and drink BEER.

How the lord intended.

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Amanita86 said:
You ever read what Jesus said?

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It was more of a "he said she said" kinda thing.

The "she" being Jesus, "he" being the various authors of different books in the new testament...written several decades to half a century after she died, and then arbitrarily chosen to become the canon texts from a slew of other different/contradictory accounts of her words some 2 centuries later.

But yea, I grew up in a Christian family, I've read it all and sat through Sunday school and sermons, then later catachism classes and "camp meeting" community revivals for some chick I was dating. I was always iffy about the whole thing, and became much more sure that christianity was not for me about the time I was in middle school.

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Amanita86 said:
You ever read what Jesus said?

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It was more of a "he said she said" kinda thing.

The "she" being Jesus, "he" being the various authors of different books in the new testament...written several decades to half a century after she died, and then arbitrarily chosen to become the canon texts from a slew of other different/contradictory accounts of her words some 2 centuries later.

But yea, I grew up in a Christian family, I've read it all and sat through Sunday school and sermons, then later catachism classes and "camp meeting" community revivals for some chick I was dating. I was always iffy about the whole thing, and became much more sure that christianity was not for me about the time I was in middle school.

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You never gained even a tidbit of positive direction or just ‘in general’ good advice from what Jesus was quoted as saying?  Not even a hint?  Not even a weeeee smidgen?

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Of course I did, I never said it was all useless. Most religious writings can offer up some general advice on being a good person or living a good life.

But they can also be used to justify judgement and persecution. They can offer solace and justification for being a shitty person, and their teachings can be warped and misapplied in a society for power. You know, the general arguments for why religion can suck.

Growing up in the bible belt just showed me that most Christians want you to believe and "never question god's word", but then will actively cherry-pick what parts of god's word will never be questioned, ignore contradictions or hypocrisy within their ranks, and use their religion for power and social rank manipulation. There are surprisingly few Christians willing to admit the human origin and historical context of their religious teachings, and willing to accept that religious faith is not universal and should not be mandated in a secular nation.

I understand feeling a certain way about the universe, and I understand the strong gravitation spirituality has toward religion. I also encourage the use of religious texts as input and general framework for one's own spiritual journey, regardless whether that journey is confined to a certain religion. But, I feel like that journey is a purely personal one, and doesn't require the shackles of yet another social structure to gain benefit from. Just as One can build their own personal philosophical beliefs using a combination of the teachings of many philosophers and One's own critical thought, so too can One's spiritual beliefs be obtained.

I appreciate some of the teachings and the social network religion has to offer, but I personally refuse to abide by one human religion that isn't free of logical contradiction.

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poor boy said:
I once went to church on Xanax. I don't remember what happened but apparently I'm banned for life.

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You need to ask your lady about that and get back to us with the story.

I've come really close to the bone-zone in a church with an ex like 15 years ago, but the paranoia of security cameras got to me. It was a small town, word of my sins would have traveled fast.

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poor boy said:
Those people don't try. Err body is fucked up in some way or other. It boils down to who can hide it better.

Look at the old poster Draw. This guy had to move into deep forrest Canada in the middle of nowhere.

Granted, he was shunned from society, but it was more of a mutual agreement kinda thing.

But he did what he had to do.

The funny thing is, right before he left he was obsessing over PO to the point of having to leave Canada all together.

Po litterally moved as far away from draw as possible by moving to a deserted island

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poor boy said:
You should sign up for stormfront

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Stoneth said:
Storm front kinda sucks. Only a troll could enjoy that place.

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Stoneth said:
Storm front kinda sucks. Only a troll could enjoy that place.

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How do you know?

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poor boy said:
It's a well known fact that stoneth is an old white racist. koop finally left because he couldn't deal with all the hatred this guy dished out. I remember when he would ban him for no reason at all or straight up just delete any post or thread he made.

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poor boy said:
Prove it

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He hath spoke It, thus It is proven.

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Stoneth said:
That's exactly how it works. 

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