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 First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil 
#828853 - 10/05/17 12:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys
So I'm going to start my first grow this Friday. I've attempted grows before and been successful but never took it to fruition cause my pet destroyed it.
First I'm going to be picking up a bag of fox farm ocean fresh from a local store and fox farm trio, ph up and down. I've already received my seeds from a reputable vendor but don't think I'm allowed to post their name.
Here we have 4 pyramid auto white widow feminised, 1 green love potion feminised, and 2 kerala x skunk#1 regular. But will only be starting off with 2 of the white widows.
I'll be using two 5 gallon pots and will have 2'x2'x4' grow tent and at the start I will be using cfl bulbs but ordering a led grow light board. I will also be trying the no nutrients added to ffof until after 6 weeks have passed.
Some other things I have is horticulture molasses and some liquid kelp from last time and some perlite.
Well that's all I have for now but I'm probably going to germ the seeds tonight In zip lock bag and paper towel. And if you have any tips then please be gentle it is my first time.
Edited by White-widow-dave (10/09/17 06:40 PM)
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 Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#828856 - 10/05/17 10:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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KISS keep it simple stupid.
Your CFL lights are ok for vegging but I would get a 400w HPS light rather then led for flowering. Stick to potting soil and get rid of that PH up and down, horticulture molasses, liquid kelp and perlite. Potting soil has PH stabilizers in it already as well as all the needed nutrients for vegging. Sometimes less is better, remember weed is a weed and will grow like one if you let it.
But most of all keep your pets out of your tent. Best of luck dude. 
FYI auto-flowering plants are great for outdoors because they flower early before the first frost unlike regular plants that flower when getting 12 or less hours of light per day, but are less potent then regular or feminized seeds and therefor should not be grown indoors.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: Rider420]
#828857 - 10/05/17 12:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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400w hps in a 2x2x4 tent is going to be a bit much. Some of those new quantum boards would work good I think they are 1 inch thick with heatsink remote ballast. The right leds rock
The screw in led bulbs would be a better choice for lighting just take the plastic bulb part off. Good luck
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
#828858 - 10/05/17 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Idk if I'll get a hps light cause the part of the house Im doing this has no wall plugs so I have converter to convert my bulb socket into a wall socket and y connectors to splice multiple bulbs in one socket. The led board I'm planning on getting is dual band For flower and veg
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#828860 - 10/05/17 02:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol and I didn't let the cats into my tent. My wife left the door open to the room but didnt have a tent yet and they dug up and chewed up all the leafs. And I've seen what ur talking about with breaking the plastic part of the bulb. I think if I do bulb leds the I might use a e27 6w 60led dual band or the same but with 72leds and 8w. But mostly wanna go led for lower heat and energy consumption
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#828915 - 10/09/17 01:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Only 2.5 days into the germination the seeds have cracked open and can see a piece of it but the tap root hasn't come out yet
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#828933 - 10/09/17 03:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Got my 45w 225leds and four are uv and four are ir. Very nice, low heat and extremely bright. Pretty awesome to cause when I turned it on all the colors in my house changed and it was kinda like seeing colors while on mushrooms.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#828952 - 10/10/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I put the seeds in the 5 gallons yesterday after I could see the tip of the root. I stuck a thermometer in the soil and it reads about 70f, and that may be due to the cold front that came through and lowered the temp. The room itself stays about 80f but was thinking of bumping it to 90f to raise my soil temp till the seedlings become sprouts
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#828958 - 10/11/17 01:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't kill them with kindness just keep the room temp stable around 80 and your good . Let mother nature do her Thang.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
#828962 - 10/11/17 06:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its easier to work with smaller containers and transplant up but going straight to a large pot is fine as well. Just remember when you feed and water there will be some nutes that dont reach the roots yet. They will likely stay in the soil.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: Chwyn]
#828964 - 10/11/17 06:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well since it's a auto I put it in the final size container I'm not gonna add nutes till 6 weeks after first leafs unless it shows signs that it needs food.
I have the heater set to 80f, I'm just worried cause that room is poorly insulated and it more reflects the outside temp as opposed to the inside of my house . It's cause its a old house and that room gets a breeze from outside somehow lol.
I'm thinking of starting the other two auto seeds in some 1 gallon pots and see how that turns out. I know it would be less yield but interesting to see.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#828991 - 10/12/17 09:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well here's the first one poking through but nothing from the other one so far
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829024 - 10/15/17 10:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmmm well the one in the pic seems to be a slow starter and the other seed may have died maybe. I did however start a third seed and it's in a smaller pot and coming along nicely and probably faster than the other one lol.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829035 - 10/16/17 07:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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make sure not to bury the whole seed when the tail pops out. Its easy to go too deep and smother them. I generally just drop them on top with a tiny bit of dirt over the top and they will root.
if its coming up though you will be fine. Make sure since you are using ocean forest soil to wait a WHILE before feeding. Ocean forest is known to be both inconsistent and extremely hot from time to time, and can definitely burn clones. I suggest watering with the kelp and molasses once or twice until they are taller, but remember that ocean forest has enough food to last you a while, most likely the whole way through veg since your tent is on the small side.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: Big Bear]
#829038 - 10/16/17 09:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea I like the kelp cause it's a low fertilizer and all natural. Definitely going to wait to add nutrients till needed.
Here us the first seed I started through paper towel method.
Here is the second seed I started several days later but did it in a glass of water for 24hrs. And seems to be faster than the other and it's in a smaller pot that's maybe a half gallon or gallon.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829080 - 10/18/17 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well here's second seed that's 2 days later and going nicely so far
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#829104 - 10/19/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well here's another pic for today and still so far so good
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#829118 - 10/20/17 02:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829126 - 10/20/17 06:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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coming along good.
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#829164 - 10/22/17 10:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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#829175 - 10/22/17 04:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829199 - 10/24/17 01:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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do you plan on doing any training/topping?
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: Chwyn]
#829200 - 10/24/17 05:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I heard u shouldn't top an auto but I've also heard of ppl being successful in doing so. And if I do I might just try some lst by bending over the main stock. I'm just nervous to mess it up even though it's unlikely just cause it's my only one.
I did start my green love potion seed in water and put it in a shot glass sized solo cup of soil so hopefully she will take off and make her a mother plant for some clones
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#829202 - 10/24/17 05:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829208 - 10/24/17 07:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh I forgot it was an auto lol. I am interested in seeing how the quality holds up to a photoperiod.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: Chwyn]
#829209 - 10/24/17 08:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea. I mean I'm not expecting much cause I'm sure I might make mistakes along the way but I'll be happy if I can just get this one to finish.
I'll probably transfer it to the 5 gallon after maybe another week or two before the roots reach the walls
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#829317 - 10/28/17 01:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here is the 27th and my green love potion had sprouted.
  
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#829358 - 10/30/17 09:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829362 - 10/31/17 03:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looking good man.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
#829381 - 11/01/17 06:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So my plant is only about 15 days old but I already have a pistol developing on a node. But a day or two before I moved it into the 5 gallon pot from the half gallon.
So is it normal to see white bud hairs this early?
     
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829384 - 11/01/17 09:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those are just pre flowers you are fine so long as you are getting them at least 16 hours of light a day. I prefer 18/6...just don't let them get more than 12 hours of darkness until you are ready to bloom. You don't want to turn back at that point
Looks good and healthy. Keep resisting the temptation to feed
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: Big Bear]
#829385 - 11/01/17 09:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Auto flowers are just that they auto flower when they get mature enough to support bud. It's a good thing. Time to pour on the light.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
#829404 - 11/01/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oops 
Missed the autoflowers memo disregard all my talk about lighting schedule op as it's not pertinent to your situation.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
#829405 - 11/01/17 02:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea so far she looks good and happy. I'm not seeing signs of nutrition deficiency or slowed growth so not gonna add nutes yet.
I did add some liquid seaweed to the watering to help with any stress caused by the transplant. Hopefully things go well.
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#829406 - 11/01/17 02:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea I've been giving her 24hrs of light and she's just loving it and nice node growth
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#829407 - 11/01/17 02:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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And I do have a green love potion regular feminised that's doing ok and recently transplanted that I plan to make a mother so hopefully that goes well
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829472 - 11/06/17 08:49 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Hey guys this is my green love potion and it's about two weeks old. Some has appeared on the leafs but I can't distinguish what it is exactly.
 
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829474 - 11/06/17 10:47 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'm going to be doing an indoor automated grow as well so id like to see how this ends up. Anyways looking good brotha! cheers!
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: TheLostBoys]
#829475 - 11/06/17 11:59 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yea going good so far for the white widow but still don't know what's up with the green love potion I posted above
But here is my white widow that's doing well
     
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829477 - 11/07/17 03:10 AM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
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Hey guys this is my green love potion and it's about two weeks old. Some has appeared on the leafs but I can't distinguish what it is exactly.
What are you feeding her? Kinda looks like to much fertilizer.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
#829478 - 11/07/17 05:28 AM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yea I was thinking nute burn but I wasn't expecting that color. And it is in ffof and no nutes added and it's 2 weeks old
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#829479 - 11/07/17 08:49 AM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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She is still young so probably just growing pains. If she gets worse post up
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
#829483 - 11/07/17 02:22 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yea it's still got some time to grow so hopefully it will grow out of it.
But those were some really nice close ups of the white widow I got the other day.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829512 - 11/09/17 09:19 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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So Murphys law happened last night. So I turned the heater on cause the cold front came in and once the house was warm enough I turned off the heater and moved my plants back.
but unfortunately when I hit power it didn't turn off all the way and just went to low. at that point it dried out my love potion a Lil and made it droop alot but hopefully it will pull through.
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#829520 - 11/09/17 04:45 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I'm pretty sure all the leafs are dead except the newest node. So gonna go ahead and start some new seeds and will continue to water and mist the love potion and see if it pulls through
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829525 - 11/10/17 04:07 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Dam that sucks man maybe she will pull through.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
#829529 - 11/11/17 02:54 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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I'm amazed at how much nutrients are In the ffof lol. I was Looking at the white widow today and there are some slight burnt tips but nothing major or anything g for concern.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829530 - 11/11/17 06:46 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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And the love potion is dead. To bad so sad
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#829541 - 11/12/17 06:29 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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So everything is still going good with the white widow. Was about to give her a watering when I noticed the tips of the new growth were of a light green.
So did some looking around checking symptoms and some were similar but not quite the same. So kept looking till I found something similar but there's was more of a long the lines of feeding after transplant.
Well anyways i decided to give her a light watering of just plain water for now and if things worsen then I know I need to feed it or if it's a burn.
I've done some lst but not much cause still nervous and just want this plant to survive till harvest mostly unmanipulated with me doing little harm as possible and then I'll start improving techniques lst like crazy .
But I'd say I've got about 3 tops now or so and 1 is big and 2 are small for now.
   
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#829547 - 11/12/17 10:06 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Hey I’m new and I’m just going to post here and follow along with this grow.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: Citizen X]
#829549 - 11/13/17 02:37 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Deficiency will usually show on older leaves first, she is nice and green so maybe the start of a little nute burn . Other than that she looks good man.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
#829562 - 11/13/17 04:09 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Thanks funky.
Yea she is also beautiful and smells lovely. I can tell she has nice roots cause when I checked the soil moisture I ran into this huge almost tree like root lol.
Even from the little bit of lst I've done the side tops have grown surprisingly fast, so as they've gotten longer I've been laying those down more also.
Even though they didnt really stretch, Next time when I transplant I will probably bury more or some or of the main stem make it more sturdy for bending.
At first I just layed the top over almost flat and now I'm trying to get the main cola to follow the rim of the pot so hopefully that goes good.
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#829570 - 11/14/17 04:37 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Is it weird that I enjoy staking down the branches and tucking the leafs to get light to lower nodes lol
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#829655 - 11/16/17 10:05 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Well its been about 31 days now give or take a day. So in 11 days I'll start off at the week six mark of the fox farm schedule at 1/4 strength and the gradually increase the nutes.
And saw a vid of the same strain and but they're growing outdoor and for the most part the height and ratio about the same and around 35 days of his he says it's flowering. But who knows mi e could take longer.
And here some pics
 
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#829699 - 11/18/17 04:49 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Well guys I think she might actually be read to feed maybe. Cause the new growth on the leafs are light green on bottom and running up the middle of the leaf. I'll upload some pics in a hour or so but I'm not to sure about feeding her since she had been watered recently.
Let me kno what yall think and any help would be appreciated
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#829700 - 11/18/17 05:13 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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So like no shit........ After I posted earlier I was taking the photos and I fucking dropped my phone and hit the main kola!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
It Cracked the main stem about half way through. I literally was in like shock and slow motion when I heard a crack. Was going to wrap with tape but since it was so fragile at that point I decided not to and just got a Lil bit of hot glue and realigned the stem and presto. It's standing again and I'm hoping that it will keep out infections hopefully heal. And hopefully it's just like splicing a tree limb in a way
God I fucking suck......
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#829704 - 11/18/17 07:14 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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So far everything on the top seems to be doing fine but there is only one leaf that has went limp and I've propped it up and might do a seaweed foliar spray on it to aid in moisture and stress reduction and as well as nutrients
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#829715 - 11/19/17 01:42 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I sure am sorry I posted crap in a perfectly good growlog I'm going to go fall into a giant ban-hammer now.
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Re: BUY YOUR STUFFS NOW +1 406 201 9486 ..whatsapp +1 315 659 0211 [Re: baron]
#829719 - 11/19/17 05:30 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Your good man I get branches breaking all the time prop it up where you want it and let it ride. They usually heal up in a week or so, now if the leaves past the break start to wilt you may have a problem. These beloved plants we grow are pretty dam durable. Post up some pics let's see the carnage.
If I do any training I'll just crush the stem between my fingers and then just bend it where I want it. They will heal within 24 hour or less from crushing the stem sometimes I have to crush the same stem twice to get it to stay where I want it.
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Re: BUY YOUR STUFFS NOW +1 406 201 9486 ..whatsapp +1 315 659 0211 [Re: funky]
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I'll upload some pics today after work. Yea and hopefully it will be okay, if it was just slightly crushed I might not of been as worried if I did it intentionally. But yea it's just one fan leaf drooping g still and when I spray it it perks right back up a lil
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#829733 - 11/19/17 08:03 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ok so I'm no longer worried about the break in the stem lol.
But unfortunately there's more bad news...... my first leaf problem. Just noticed so I'm still looking as I'm typing this. But let me kno what u think it might be.
 
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I'm guessing maybe phosphorus and magnesium deficiency
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Now definitely leaning more towards phosphorus
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#829740 - 11/19/17 11:27 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Well I'm saying it's phosphorus cause it's the older leafs that are effected and curling down and has purple red ish stems
I'm going to be starting at week 5 of the fox farm feeding schedule for soil at 50% strength. Should be fine since it's over a month old now
 
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I have found trying to use leave stems to determine problems doesn't work good they tend to stay purple on a lot of strains. It almost looks like natural leaf die off. I usually don't get leaf die off till about 5-6 weeks flower, but if leaves get damaged they can die off . I wouldn't worry much unless more leaves die off.
The leaves look a little spikey, tips curling up so I think your a little to hot on nutes. I think it's just some old damaged leaves from training that died off. Mag deficiency will show on newer leaves first as yellowing between the leaf veins . If you watch your mid fan leaves before and after you feed you will notice the color and shape changes slightly, after awhile you will be able to read those leaves and know what she needs .
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Re: leaves [Re: funky]
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Yea if I was growing mushrooms I could tell exactly what's wrong with them since I've had enough practice. But since I'm new to this I'm just all over the place lol
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I am thinking next time when I buy soil I will probably cut it with some coco quire and a Lil more perlite.
Well I did water with a half gallon of water with a 50% strength nutrient solution at week 5 of the feeding schedule.
But so far the plant is still looking good no signs of more burn yet
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Are you taking readings of what you're feeding them and what the runoff is? You won't really have a handle on nutrition issues and fixing them without this valuable information. You need to know the ppm and pH and keep records of each feeding so you can see trends in the numbers and confirm them with visual cues.
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Re: leaves [Re: KenInVic]
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If you read I haven't used any nutes till The other day. I try to have a run off of at least half of what I put in it. No ppm checker so nothing there and I've been giving it 6.5 ph water
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My apologies. I understand your frustrations. I'm trying my first hydroponic grow having had the last two as outdoor in an inhospitable climate. It has been educational, and I'm only into week two of the veg cycle.
Here's some helpful information on pH ranges, control and testing you might find interesting re: pH How to Check pH
If you can, find some way of testing your ppm. You need to know what you're putting in and what it is washing out to get a true handle of what's available in the kitchen for your plants. I haven't got any handy links stored but there's a ton of info. This is where you can starve, properly feed, or burn your plant.
Here is another related link from the same site. Diagnose Sick Cannabis Plants
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Re: leaves [Re: KenInVic]
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She is looking good man. New growth is a little yellow, she may be coming up on a growth spurt.
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Re: leaves [Re: funky]
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So what does that mean exactly? Does that mean she needs more nutes cause the speed of growth since it's probably pretty much at flowering now.
I did feed it a 50% nutrient strength solution from the 5th week feeding schedule of the fox farm guide 5 days ago. The strength doesn't change much till like 3 weeks later if u look it up.
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If you were running hydro I would say increase nutrients but your not hydro . I'm a hydro grower with limited organic knowledge that's why I don't give solid answers on some of your questions. she may just be on the verge of a lock out situation were flushing her may be all that's needed to bring the salt build up in the soil down to acceptable levels.
Or it could be lack of nutrients but I kinda doubt it but possible. I'm not sure when they hit stretch but mine get hungry around that time. I don't run a nutrient schedule I use the same strength solution from clone to harvest. I just have to maintain run off ppm under 700 and they are fine but if it's under 600 ppm I have to increase watering intervals to get it back up. As you can see I have a different growing style, it works good for me.
If there is any way for you to get a ppm pen that would be the best way to find the problem.
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Re: leaves [Re: funky]
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I mean I guess I could always do a large flush of some water try and get alot of run off and see what happens. Idk if my local stores have one so I'd have to buy one online possibly
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If you have any hydroponics shop within reach they should have a good pen for ppm reasonably priced. They're available online readily if that's more convenient as well. It is one of your best investments in this hobby. Note, it may also be referred to as a TDS meter (total dissolved solids). As long as it reads ppm, you're in business.
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My closest hydro store is an hour and a half away lol. I'm out in the boonies and it's not a very abundant store In my area.
Also with the ppm thing. Let's say I'm putting in a solution that's 1000ppm, then what should my run off be? Should it be less or equal to what I put in?
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The 1000ppm sounds a little on the high side, some may be more comfortable with that though.
Personally, I would look for somewhere around the 700 range going in and look for ±30% in the runoff. If you're too high out, flush with plain water or weaker solution until it reads right. If you're too low, pour some more through, maybe a touch stronger, until you're there. This works a lot easier in coco than it does in soil, however. Once you get balanced it is easier to maintain.
pH is important too because it has to be in the right range to make the nutes accessible to the plant. If you get lockout you're just pouring good nutes out the drain holes.
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Re: leaves [Re: KenInVic]
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Interesting, and the 1000 was just for hypothetical reasons.
And I'd say my plant is in straight up flowering mode cause I've got trichomes forming and buds forming more and more. So maybe she is low on nutes for for flower. I might have to look but I think the ffof has a low nute ratio for flowering
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She looks pretty good man. I try to keep my runoff ppm just under 700 I feed with 680ppm nutrient solution. Plants will only take up nutrients that are with in the pH range of the soil so if the pH is high it will leave alot of salts in the soil. Runoff is very important it not only lowers the ppm of soil but it also helps maintain pH . To many salts build up the pH won't stay stable and burn the roots which affects the plants ability to grow and produce.
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Re: leaves [Re: funky]
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Maybe this schedule has a higher ppm cause it use like 9 products if u have them all
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Different brands recommend different ppm's they add a lot of shit that's not really on the label Most Of It Is Trace Elements And PH Buffers . I use Jacks hydro and calcium nitrate made by Jr Peters, it comes in 25 lb bags I think they offer smaller sizes but it's more expensive that way. It's like 100 bucks shipped and will make several thousand gallons.
That schedule looks crazy high but then again I've never used that brand . The only other nutrient brand I've used is maxi bloom by gh and it sucks. wish I had better advice for you on your nutrients but I've only been growing indoors for about 2 years now, before that it had been 15 years since I grew outdoors.
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Re: leaves [Re: funky]
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Well as long as I don't kill the other plant then I can take clippings and do a dwc.
I wanna try doing a 4 banger dwc and a single dwc for comparison. I ordered some netting pots over a week ago so I should have those soon.
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So I'm about to give it a watering of 6.5 ph water. So I guess I'll be checking the ph once I have enough run off come out and I it should come out all 6.5 or somewhere close
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Ok for the 5 gallon pot so far after adding 1.5 gallons of 6.5ph water my run off is at 5.8 to 5.9 ish ph.
Now I'm going to mix a jug of 7 ph water and add a half a gallon at a time and check the run off.
With each time I do the watering do I ph check everything together or seperate? Like do I mix the run off from the 1.5 gallons I watered with, with the run off from the .5-1 gallon of water I will use next or is each run off measure separately
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Actually I'll just keep using the 6.5 ph water. Been doing some reading and most common answer I see is discolored runoff color for me which is kinda yellow. And the other is the to correct it takes about 3:1 ratio to correct ph so 3 gallons of water per gallon of soil.
So if I'm in a 5 gallon I might need to add a bit more water lol
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I doubt you kill it, I've burnt some up pretty bad before and haven't killed one yet. I don't check pH of runoff so I'm not much help on that I just check ppm of runoff .
Some plants handle nutrients differently some can take more that others . So you will probably have to adjust from what is on the chart, also low light levels require less nutes than high light levels. Even humidity has a effect on how the plants handle nutrients dialing in your environment can be a little tricky sometimes.
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Well here it is now
  
Those yellow tips are indicative of phosphorus burn.
You didn't need to give them nutes, as there was clearly enough in the soil.
The leaves will start to die around the edges and yellow out, then maybe get some weird purple's and/or blues as results of mineral deficiencies bc the P burn.
Just FYI, in case later somebody tries to diagnose a mineral deficiency, it will be a byproduct of the P burn. It's a pretty common (and commonly misdiagnosed) side effect of P burn.
I'd push through the rest of the way without fertilizer personally
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Also fuck the chart. They Are in the business of selling fertilizer, not giving you conservative estimates and assuming you have depleted your nutrient rich soil. As I said earlier FFOF is a hot soil. You can go through a whole hRvest without adding macronutrients using FFOF if the pot is large enough.
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Well I guess we will see lol. So far only added 1.5gallons of 6.5ph cause I fell asleep waiting for it to stop dripping.
I'll just give a couple more days and I re water with some more water at 6.5ph to 7ph. And if u wonder why I chose 6.5 it's cause from the guide of whats taken up at certain ph lvl. I figured that 6.5 gave me the most play room incase the ph scale tipped in either direction.
But then I didn't take into account for the nutes in the soil to change the ph. But live and learn I guess
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So after seeing the "a virgin grower" post I definitely feel much better about my plant and things could've been worse lol
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
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Quote:
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So like no shit........ After I posted earlier I was taking the photos and I fucking dropped my phone and hit the main kola!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
It Cracked the main stem about half way through. I literally was in like shock and slow motion when I heard a crack. Was going to wrap with tape but since it was so fragile at that point I decided not to and just got a Lil bit of hot glue and realigned the stem and presto. It's standing again and I'm hoping that it will keep out infections hopefully heal. And hopefully it's just like splicing a tree limb in a way
God I fucking suck......
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: Citizen X]
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Your doing good for your fist grow man. Our beloved plant will live and thrive in a wide range of environments the key is being consist. Don't change things just roll with it. After a few grows your thumb will start to turn green.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
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Yea I try not to go crazy the first time I try anything. First step is to grow one and then next is grow one and clone it. It will be the same for the I'll also be running next
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: funky]
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Yea I'm guessing somewhere around the 15th of december or after it should be about ready to cut down. Here's a nice vid of the same strain and flower type
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Thought I'd post some weed porn of what I'm smoking on.
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Looks like nice tight buds. How'd it weigh out?
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#830099 - 12/02/17 04:59 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Lol that just bought weed. The plant isn't done yet
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
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It gives you something to aim for. I'm hoping to get at least better than most of the bag I see on the street. No ambitions for pro status, just a good, smooth smoke.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: KenInVic]
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Yep you can't improve if you don't try. I'll be happy with what I get on my first try and then after that set my self little goals to shoot for. So basically I like to aim low and shoot high.
And here's a update of her. I just gave her a watering of some 7ph water and will see if it changes my runoff ph
 
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#830128 - 12/04/17 02:27 PM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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Tested the runoff and it came out to be 6ph. Which is better than last time so I'll keep with the 7ph water and see how it goes.
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#830208 - 12/07/17 05:31 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well she is doing fine. But of course my other seedling is having its own issues. Got some brown dots on the leafs ends and then the became brittle dry and disintegrated when rubbed between fingers. Soil had moisture but idk what happened.
I think It might be the soil that's giving me issues and killing my seedlings
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#830245 - 12/08/17 06:07 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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possibly nute toxicity? what soil recipe have you got?
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: Chwyn]
#830249 - 12/08/17 10:49 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's ffof which come with a lot of nutes. And i think the only reason the white widow is doing good is cause it's a auto and the other seeds I've been trying to start just mess up early on.
Like the widow had some of the same looking problems but it grew out of it.
Well here is the widow Dec 8
 
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#830422 - 12/14/17 07:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well nothing new here guys, just the same old nute problems
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#830449 - 12/16/17 06:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's pretty cool, so far some of the calyxs are quadrupling in size. It'll be nice when all the buds are swollen
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#830478 - 12/17/17 09:51 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well here's some pics. And the nute burn still happening and browning edges. But at least it's not everywhere just on a couple of leafs
  
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#830528 - 12/19/17 02:48 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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And she starting to get her little red hairs. Aww my little girl is growing up lol
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#830579 - 12/20/17 07:59 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Day 66 guys. So I know that ur suppose to flush before a harvest but since my foxfarm is so hot what should I do when it's time?
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#830587 - 12/21/17 12:14 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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As long as your tap water isn't an issue, I'd pick a pH level, balance it to that and flush away. You need to read your runoff to know how effective you are, if at all. I, personally, might give it a double watering each time it would get its normal watering or slightly longer between. You are trying to rob it of soil based nutrients so its uses up all the remaining sugars in the leaves and elsewhere on the last of the resin production before you chop.
Personal opinion, mind you. Your own experience or that of others may indicate/dictate other ways to get this done.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: KenInVic]
#830674 - 12/26/17 11:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well still flowering guys and the nute burn or at least what we believe is nute burn. But kinda also looks like potassium defficency to me but idk
  
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#830676 - 12/27/17 11:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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What's the stated flowering period on that version you have? How far into it is it?
Sorry to see the leaves in sad shape. Hopefully that is more from the earlier problems and the new/continuing growth stays healthy. If this doesn't put you off completely, better luck on the next project. I just 86'd my grow from regular seeds. Every one of them with more balls than a bowling alley. Went with a single auto-fem this round, just to tide me over until I take another run at it.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: KenInVic]
#830677 - 12/27/17 11:53 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well its an auto and the seeds stats say 49-55 day flower but it doesn't show how long it's in veg.and it seems like those are the original messed up leafs and not new growth being affected. And I'd say I'm about 30 days into flower.
I'm curious about the lower bud branches since they are just a waste of bud since they so small or almost non existent from low light exposure. Could i just cut them off so the plant focuses on the other buds? I kno since it's an auto it can stress it and make it take a Lil long but that wouldn't be so bad.
I thought about buying another light but probably to late in the cycle to have the lower buds increase in size and calyx production. But anyway what's yalls thoughts?
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#830690 - 12/28/17 02:15 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Got my pocket microscope and it's awesome. Was checking out the trichomes and for the most part they are milky white with a Lil bit of clear. I'll try and get some screen shots or vid. And then depending on what yall think I might chop it up soon or wait till I start seeing the presence of amber trichs
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#830695 - 12/29/17 12:30 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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My understanding is you want to see around 50% amber and use that as the trigger for your pre-harvest flush. Keep a close eye on your flowering timeline (from first flower appearance) and the color changes, paying particular attention when you near the last couple of weeks. Those are my thoughts on it anyway. More seasoned growers may be able to pin it down tighter for you.
Congrats on the pocket scope. They're indispensable. Got my fingers crossed for you as I have a bit of a vested interest. I'll have my own auto to nurse over the finish line in the next couple of months.
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#830704 - 12/29/17 08:23 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well it is nice to have someone actually talk lol. And my god she smells delicous, my pocket scope got some trichs on it and smelled amazing like sweet and candy scented
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#830709 - 12/30/17 12:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is pretty much morgue quiet around here, that I'll agree. Possibly the slow creep of legalization is taking the wild-west adventure spirit out of it. Nothing quite like being bad-ass and discussing it anonymously in a public forum. 
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: KenInVic]
#830779 - 01/01/18 05:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's weird I feel like I can harvest already except there's one side not that still looks young in the flowering stage. So is it possible for some colas to finish way before others?
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#830780 - 01/01/18 06:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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From my understanding they don't all develop as fast for a number of reasons. If you have colas that you determine are ready, I don't see why you can't snip them now and let the plant put its remaining efforts into the slower bud. It may give you an opportunity to open up the plant somewhat so you get light to as many flowering nodes as you can. I don't know if lack of flush would be an issue. It might mean being very judicious with your cure process.
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: KenInVic]
#830784 - 01/01/18 10:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I guess it's kinda like fruit on a tree. Some ripen faster so you pick those and leave the rest. Gotta be careful though cutting the main stem if some of the kolas are connected.
Cause the young kolas I was talking about all or most of the pistols of the calyxs are green and not aged at all
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#830785 - 01/01/18 11:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did some looking and found a interesting topic about the same thing and in there they call it a "staggered harvest". So I will harvest some today!!! Just in time for my bday in 8 days
https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/harvesting-the-big-buds-and-letting-the-small-ones-grow-for-a-2nd-harvest.747812/
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#830803 - 01/02/18 09:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yuck my friend got me some weed from colorado called cannatonic and it's brown and dry as shit so it blows. Plus it's low thc like 6% and it's 17%cbd
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#830845 - 01/04/18 02:03 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I got most if it cut down. I can tell that the bigger bud branches are the ones I mostly lst'd at the beginning. But I do have some more branches I'll cut later.
 
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Re: First time grow "pyramid auto white widow" Indoor soil [Re: White-widow-dave]
#830847 - 01/04/18 02:34 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice harvest. Better than that colorado crud. That surprised me that its that bad for a rec state. I went out there 2 years ago and didnt see anything that bad.
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#830848 - 01/04/18 02:44 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea I've got some nice looking buds. Definitely will lst more when I try again. So I've got my room at 70f right now and with a fan across the other side lightly blowing around it. Also got some closet dehumidifiers packs in that room to pull extra moisture out of the room
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