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 budgrowerwannabe
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 Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017  [Re: Data]
#824880 - 03/17/17 09:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hell yea they are looking nice !! Good job 
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
#824882 - 03/17/17 10:37 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Be careful with the folar mixes, it's easy to burn the plants. Avoiding nitrate forums of nutes is wise. Highly recommend using some kelp and Fulvic acid about every 10 to 14 days. The branches will love you for it.
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Stoneth]
#824965 - 03/22/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Awesome pics 
Looking real healthy.
is that Basil in the middle?
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
#824968 - 03/22/17 10:59 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haha yea it's a bit of lime basil that I'm holding over in the tent while the weather stabilizes.
And thanks for the tip, Stoney. I'm trying to keep my feedings substantial but lighter than full dosage, and staggering the root feedings and the foliar feedings. I'm also rinsing the leaves with RO water once a week to remove salt buildup.
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TrueHerbCrystal
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
#824976 - 03/22/17 03:03 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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How do u make RO water?
Is tap water or filtered water a bad idea?
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: TrueHerbCrystal] 1
#824985 - 03/23/17 02:29 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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RO water is filtered water using a Reverse Osmosis filter. Some city water sources are crap and need to be filtered. Some just like to use it to be cautious.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Stage-Home-Drinking-Reverse-Osmosis-System-PLUS-Extra-7-Express-Water-Filters-/271555919071?hash=item3f39fe7cdf:g:AuAAAOSw4A5YtJ0N
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: phychotron] 1
#824987 - 03/23/17 07:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I like to alternate between RO water and tap water, but that's because my tap water is very alkaline and has decent hardness. I have a little RO filter for my aquariums that I use.
The RO water is usually reserved for in/between feedings, foliar sprays, and rinse sprays. My theory is that water with no dissolved minerals is better able to pull out salt residue, so the RO watering usually involve watering until runoff is observed.
So far so good, the plants seem fat and happy...so I'll keep doing it until otherwise informed. 
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
#825011 - 03/23/17 10:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fascinating 
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
#825034 - 03/24/17 08:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Week 6:
Well, not much to update on. They are getting bigger and bushier.
I decided to do a little training to spread out the foliage to encourage as many branches as possible, and to expose more of the large fan leaves under each branch to more light. Eventually, I'm going to put in a screen and try out my hand at scrogging, but for now I'm going to try and get these branches to grow as long as possible for the next week or two before the screen goes down.
So, should I attempt another topping to further develop the side branches and bush out the plants more? or should the main branches developing right now be enough for the SCROG?
Anyway, I also added an LED light bar that I had laying around. Its a 108W bar light cheapo special. I know its not really good for solo grows, and definitely no good for major lighting...but I figured it would help to brighten up some darker corners of the tent.
Thats all for now 
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Tetracan420
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
#825038 - 03/24/17 08:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Apollo is a popular brand of tent, can't lie great deal I own one also
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Tetracan420]
#825206 - 04/02/17 03:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Week 7:
Sorry I'm a bit late, I've been super busy, and have started having some recurring lower back issues, so my work in the tent has been going a little slower.
I kinda let the front two plants dry out a little too much at the time of the picture, I've since corrected the problem. I think this is because I've installed some watering rings around the bases of the plants, so that I can water and feed remotely using a 1/2 rubber tubing system. The rings are small, and I don't think they are getting the top outer edges of the cylinders of soil wet. Combined with the facts that the front 2 plants have a significantly larger canopy and are closer to the fan...its making it difficult to come up with an effective watering schedule right now. I'll keep a closer eye on them this week and try to get a hold back on this.
For a closer look, here are some individual pictures.
   
In order from left to right: Front right plant, front left plant, rear right plant, rear left plant.
It should be mentioned that between Week 5 and Week 6, I switched the front plants and the rear plants...because it appeared that the (then) rear plants were gaining some significant biomass on the front plants. Since these are all grown from seed, this may just be genetic variation or something...but I'll try to cover all of my bases until i bring the scrog screen down. At that point it shouldn't matter.
Also, I love my little loph sitting in the middle of the jungle 
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phychotron
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
#825207 - 04/02/17 03:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looking real nice and healthy
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: phychotron]
#825217 - 04/03/17 05:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks man
Any idea what this crap is? I'm not sure if it's just a small scrape from some of the LST that I've been doing, or if it's something more serious.
For reference, I have only been root feeding and watering for the past week or two...and the leaves were sprayed with RO water after their last round of foliar feeding. Additionally, should the new shoots be that light compared to the older growth? I can never tell the difference between immature growth and the initial stages of immobile nute deficiency.
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
#825219 - 04/03/17 09:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like an iron deficiency at first glance. Iron turns to rust and is completely unavailable at around a pH of 8. Gauging by the few leaves that you can see with slightly burnt tips I'd say maybe the start of a lock-out type situation caused by pH.
Are you watering with enough runoff to flush the waste products the root zone produces?
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: phychotron]
#825222 - 04/04/17 02:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Probably not to be perfectly honest. I will make sure to do so during the next watering.
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
#825256 - 04/06/17 11:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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tagging along for bud porn. Looking good
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: funky]
#825257 - 04/06/17 11:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I finally came off the hip and purchased some drain equipment to handle runoff, I noticed the first time I had significant runoff that the water leaked through the tent liner, and I had to install an absorbent berm around the edge of the liner.
Before dropping the scrog net on top of the plants, I'm going to place them in 21" circular drain pans that will be raised up at least 2 or 3 inches, drilled and fitted with 1/2" drain tubing that will run into a common collection bucket for removal and dumping in the garden. This will allow me to safely run plenty of runoff with all of my watering from now on, and make the pre-flower flush much less terrible.
Will update with pictures later.
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
#825260 - 04/06/17 02:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good job. Handling runoff is something MOST people tend to overlook. When I first started growing I would take all my plants into the shower cause I didn't have an effective way to remove water. WAY too much work.
Depending on what drain hardware you have you'll probably need around 5" to do the plumbing. The bulk head sticks down about 2", T's and L another 2". 1" to connect them. Then the drain bucket needs to be lower so that it won't overflow when draining slow because of the multiple plants. When the water level in the drain bucket goes above the saucers its going to overflow.
I use a square bucket with a 3/4" drain fitting at the bottom that my trays connect to. Then I pump that out as needed. Ideally I'd have a "sump pump" type setup that automatically pumps it to the drain when it reaches a certain level, but its hard having all that in an apartment, and those pumps are pricey (for keeping a basement from flooding)
I built tables for lifting up my trays. 2x4's are real cheap, a saw and an impact driver and 2 1/2" wood screws will do you justice. They'll even cut the wood for you if you know your dimensions beforehand. Your not holding a roof on in a hurricane, so don't worry if its a little wonkey.
Build a square with legs essentially. Then add a few cross members if you have multiple trays to support. I just use the square with legs cause I use one big flood tray for runoff.
Then you can use a low-profile type tray underneath (for under beds and such) to catch your runoff with ease.
I have one that only has 4" of clearance under the lowest part of the wood, so the rest fits under, but I have to lift the whole table up to slide it under. I figure 9" would be best for accessibility in my veg tent. Flower tents are harder to find that height so an external bucket is a bit more appropriate for that.
Have fun figuring out a system that works for you.
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: phychotron] 1
#825362 - 04/14/17 02:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Week 9 (Skipped 8)
Psycho, I took your advice and decided to design my own little drain system.
First, here is a pic from Week 8, just for reference:
Now, I got some 21" drain pans, a few 2x6s, and some large plant caddies to support the weight. The 2x6s were used to shim the drain pans, in order to get a little bit of extra height. the split between the two boards allows for the downspout of the drain to hang below the drain pan.
  
I then tied 2 pans each into 2 common headers, pointed toward the space left between the 4 drain pan assemblies. This space is where the sump will be.
 
I used a small plastic mixing bucket for the sump. I installed 2 bulkheads opposite each other near the bottom of the bucket (with some silicone sealant around the gaskets to ensure a long lasting seal). I then installed a hi-lo sensor kit, which uses the water in the bucket to complete an extremely low voltage, low current circuit. You can see that I had to splice in a grounded plug in order to completely ground the full vertical length of the sump bucket (the bare wire provides this ground, which is necessary in order for the low level sensor to work properly). The hi-lo sensor is piggy-backed to a very small submersible pump. This pump turns on when the high-sensor is actuated, and pumps until the low-sensor turns off. This prevents over-cycling of the pump, and ensures that liquid in the sump can be pumped out of the tent into a 5-gallon bucket nearby.
  
I installed watering rings a few weeks ago in preparation for dropping the SCROG screen. I also recently cleared out the underside of the canopy to increase airflow in preparation for a thick canopy. These rings are tied by 1/2" black tubing to an external header, which allows me to fill an easily accessible reservoir outside of the tent, have a small submersible pump provide pressure/flow to the header, control the ultimate flow of the fluid via a common control valve, and then use the other 4 valves to merely direct the flow of fluid to each watering ring. This reduces the need for a hefty pump, and allows me to ensure that each plant gets its own share of water and nutrients. You can also see the drain line and bucket in these pics.
  
Finally, I dropped the SCROG frame in place, and sorta kinda worked the tops of the plants through. I used a system of zip ties in order to tension the screen on two sides, and just secured the other two sides, so the screen is pretty rigid. This made installation tricky, and ultimately some of the stems were scraped up a little. I think they'll survive though, its nothing catastrophic.
  
So there ya go. I think I'm going to give these ladies another 2-3 weeks in veg to fill out the canopy a little, then do a flush and start the transition into flowering
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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
#825368 - 04/14/17 07:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice. Once you have drainage in place you'll never go without it.
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