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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #823545 - 02/09/17 04:25 PM (8 years, 12 days ago)

looks fun


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
    #823925 - 02/19/17 06:00 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

Get a small fan on it to strengthen the main stalk. Otherwise they will continue to stretch. Fans create super micro fractures as the thing swings back and forth and the plant has to 'repair' the damage. Its like pinching it back when its small like that. 

If you stake them down real young you sorta cheat the thing form developing the strength it needs. They'll tend to stretch and rely on that stake instead.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #823967 - 02/20/17 10:19 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

That and the area around the leaf gets void of CO2 within a minute or so. It cant grow without CO2 and has to wait for more to show up for it to be able to breath it in.  I like to see all the plant leaves constantly shaking in the breeze.

For a small seedling like that I'd say a small oscillating fan would do the trick. If your fan is too strong you can get a smaller one or use a fan speed control to dial it down. You just gotta watch out for too strong of a wind on those seedlings, but it should be on constantly from here on out. Rotating them daily can help to, as it will balance out the effects of the wind at first.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #823988 - 02/22/17 12:39 AM (8 years, 10 hours ago)

I like to do it so that the lowest branches are as low to the ground as possible. Basically there is no need to fight gravity and you can have 'large plants' that are relatively short.

They end up being around a 5-12" tall when I top them. Seedlings are a little harder to top at first than clones, which tend to branch out from wherever the lowest node you left was.

From clones. Branching out as low as possible.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: phychotron]
    #823989 - 02/22/17 12:40 AM (8 years, 10 hours ago)

Actually if you look at that photo in the center there's a ruler, seems to indicate I had them topped at around 3". Not advised with a seedling.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: phychotron]
    #823990 - 02/22/17 12:51 AM (8 years, 9 hours ago)

Now that I'm thinking about it, here's my general guideline for topping seedlings. Look down on the plant and you'll notice the branches go in different directions. Some plants like to form +'s in the way they branch out, basically 4 main branches before they start stacking above each other on the main stalk. Other plants have more branches that come out at different angles, so as to have 8 branches before coming out in the same spot above another branch, i.e forming +'s and X's when looking straight down.  Basically just look at the plant and determine if they are starting to overlap and top the one's that are. Keep the lowest 4 or 8 branches depending on which you have.

On the other hand some plants will not do anything with side branches when you top them. I just topped one that left all the side branches small and focused on the two top most branches. I just topped a bunch so I'll get some photos tomorrow or something.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: phychotron]
    #823991 - 02/22/17 01:11 AM (8 years, 9 hours ago)

day 12 of veg of a clone, already topped, not sure when.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
    #824139 - 02/26/17 03:34 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

You should post the update as a new post. Its easier to get updates, but also when you edit the post and something goes wrong on the boards you will loose your entire original post. Trust me, it sucks to loose an entire grow log.  Once you get the new content secure on the forums you can go and edit the OP to include all the current info. Just copy the bbcode before you hit post and you can quickly paste it to the OP.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: phychotron]
    #824140 - 02/26/17 03:35 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

and looking good btw.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #824543 - 03/09/17 08:20 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Everyone raves about FFOF but I hear a lot of issues from their stuff. Then I see these small plants with deficiencies from the go and I'm reminded why I don't use soil. If your not mixing it up yourself you have no idea how consistent the bag is from month to month.

Here's how FFOF typically goes down:

"heard it was great"
"heard it was hot"
"heard I don't need any nutrients till the end"
"heard I just needed some epsom salt"
"why are my plants dying after I watered them with epsom salt?"

Looks like a nitrogen deficiency. First I'd feed it some humic acid to try and boost the nutrient uptake, then maybe I'd foliar spray lightly with something like Humboldt Nutrients's Verde. It also has some Mg, iron, zinc and humic acid to help reduce common deficiencies.

Foliar sprays are great because your not cluttering up your root zone with stuff, and they require far less nutrients when absorbing them through the leaves.

I think the plant is growing faster than the soil can provide certain nutrients. Beneficial bacteria might help your situation.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Theman]
    #824551 - 03/09/17 05:12 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

When you have soil and you don't know the nutrient content and you add more your risking burning your plants, locking out nutrients or both. I prefer the KISS method, keeping the feed simple to prevent unneeded flushes that take more nutrients away and start you at another arbitrary point. Overfeeding then flushing is not the same as normal feeding without flushing.

Foliar sprays don't effect the root zone chemistry :wink:


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Theman]
    #824581 - 03/10/17 06:43 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Theman said:

Lol ur making a case not to use soil now?? Dont ammend ur soil guys.haha 
For newbs maybe but when u know plants u def want ro add things as needed to ur soil or xhange ur mix etc.  Anyway, trust3d newb :wink:





Most people who just buy a bag of "hot" soil don't know what to do with it other than stick a plant in it. At this point the OP can't amend the soil because there is a plant in there. He can only feed it. If he feeds said "hot" soil too early he's going to mess with the nutrients in the root zone that are readily available.

I never said you shouldn't feed your plants or not to use soil, just that foliar sprays are good for when you are uncertain of the nutrient content of your soil and you don't want to feed.

Stick around the forums for awhile and you'll see that the bulk majority of soil growers just expected to buy a bag of soil and call it good, maybe feeding at the end like they had heard. 

I stick with my original assessment. Humic acid and microbes to boost nutrient availability.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: TrueHerbCrystal] * 1
    #824985 - 03/23/17 02:29 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

RO water is filtered water using a Reverse Osmosis filter. Some city water sources are crap and need to be filtered. Some just like to use it to be cautious.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Stage-Home-Drinking-Reverse-Osmosis-System-PLUS-Extra-7-Express-Water-Filters-/271555919071?hash=item3f39fe7cdf:g:AuAAAOSw4A5YtJ0N


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
    #825207 - 04/02/17 03:59 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Looking real nice and healthy


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
    #825219 - 04/03/17 09:03 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like an iron deficiency at first glance. Iron turns to rust and is completely unavailable at around a pH of 8. Gauging by the few leaves that you can see with slightly burnt tips I'd say maybe the start of a lock-out type situation caused by pH.

Are you watering with enough runoff to flush the waste products the root zone produces?


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
    #825260 - 04/06/17 02:36 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Good job. Handling runoff is something MOST people tend to overlook. When I first started growing I would take all my plants into the shower cause I didn't have an effective way to remove water. WAY too much work.

Depending on what drain hardware you have you'll probably need around 5" to do the plumbing. The bulk head sticks down about 2", T's and L another 2". 1" to connect them. Then the drain bucket needs to be lower so that it won't overflow when draining slow because of the multiple plants. When the water level in the drain bucket goes above the saucers its going to overflow.

I use a square bucket with a 3/4" drain fitting at the bottom that my trays connect to. Then I pump that out as needed. Ideally I'd have a "sump pump" type setup that automatically pumps it to the drain when it reaches a certain level, but its hard having all that in an apartment, and those pumps are pricey (for keeping a basement from flooding)

I built tables for lifting up my trays. 2x4's are real cheap, a saw and an impact driver and 2 1/2" wood screws will do you justice. They'll even cut the wood for you if you know your dimensions beforehand. Your not holding a roof on in a hurricane, so don't worry if its a little wonkey.

Build a square with legs essentially. Then add a few cross members if you have multiple trays to support. I just use the square with legs cause I use one big flood tray for runoff.

Then you can use a low-profile type tray underneath (for under beds and such) to catch your runoff with ease.

I have one that only has 4" of clearance under the lowest part of the wood, so the rest fits under, but I have to lift the whole table up to slide it under. I figure 9" would be best for accessibility in my veg tent. Flower tents are harder to find that height so an external bucket is a bit more appropriate for that.

Have fun figuring out a system that works for you.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
    #825368 - 04/14/17 07:29 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Nice. Once you have drainage in place you'll never go without it.


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
    #826002 - 05/22/17 09:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

lookin nice and healthy. :yesnod:


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Re: Indoor 600W HID Soil Medibud From Seed - Winter/Spring 2017 [Re: Data]
    #826122 - 05/29/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Potasium or magnesium maybe. The second chart suggest manganese.




How many fans do you have below the canopy? That's thick and I'd think you'll get some PM if your not careful.


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