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Nevar44 said:
I'm talking about the pistals that turned orange on the tips prematurely?

My bb and blue knight the bottom leaves point downward also can be anoyying first time around not knowing that lol

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Actually, looking closely your right...there are some orange tips on pistils I didnt even get pollen anywhere near. Must have a bit too much air flow on her lol, gonna bump the fan down a setting


Also, my outdoor is going Into flower a couple weeks ahead of schedule lol

Gonna go ahead and call it...outdoor day 1 flower  6/16/16---- Possible autoflower characteristic maybe? Days still getting longer.

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Baron_Samedi said:
Cool yea I just ordered a few different bulbs just waiting on delivery couple cfls a different type of led throw em all at the wall and see what sticks lol I am leaning more to aeroponics so toxins in mineral salts and micro nutes are always gonna be an issue but they are also naturally occurring so I'm confident the plant knows what to do with them I think keeping a clean system will help as well

my buddy is working on an organic super soil that he wants me to try i may give it a go  in the next few months

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Thats basically what I do, mix an organic, "just add ph neutral water" mix, has multiple sources of composting organic materials and quite he list of beneficial bacteria, mycorhyzal fungi, ectomycorhyzal fungi, and archaea, has bone, blood, and feather meal, sulfate of potash, and composted poultry manure as well as a few different grain flours to feed the fungi. Mixed with coir, fresh compost and perlite (perlite is hugely important, without it I would have constant root rot problems in this mix, oxygen in some amount at least HAS to get to the root zone or slowly anaerobic bacteria will take over and poison your plant with hydrogen sulfid, which is basically farts) Works a charm, and no worries about over nuting, undernuting, or ph issues since the soil ecosystem holds ph stable for you where they deem their host plant prefers it. The actual full list of material for the soil is quite long and I dont remember it all atm. (Isnt as complicated as it seems, is basically assembled from pre made/mixed ingredients that came from home depot xD) my plants basically grow from a natural, fully formed, soil ecosystem.

My yeilds are on average only about 2/3 what they where when I was running chemical fertilizer, but man they just look so much healthier and happier, even the green chlorophyl itself seems to be almost a different shade when done organically. I trust the fungus lol.

and metals are really only an issue if you , mae it one, very few people are sensitive to the metals gh is high in, I still just like to use organics when I can. They often have as much or more but I kinda agree, the plants know what to do

Pic of the Lanky Queen because why not? When your this sexy you deserve some glamour shots   37 days into 12/12....probably 3-4 weeks left

Actually ditched the t5 yesterday and added some more 42 wTt cfl's to make up for it. The fatass is too uneven a canopy this round, had to make a compromise do to my lack of training her before flower, didnt want to back the lights off the lanky queen anymore than I already had.

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Magash said:
One chemical bonding to another isn't stressing the plant. Not every reaction such as a loss of color in a plant and a slow down in growth are results of stress. Both plants use the same hormone to signal flowering just the female has a added hormone that tells it to make the flowers female. The sts or cs bonds to that hormone and makes it unusable to the plant.

Female flowers that are caused by stress are generaly gonna be hermmie as in the flowers and the seeds coming from them. There is a major difference between plants that are stressed into giving male flowers and those that are treated to do it.


If you get the ppm right for your strain when using cs or sts you will notice no color change or slowdown in growth. I use to do that but it's a pain in the ass so I use a general mix not that is on the stronger side. As long as the percentage rate of hermies in my feminized seeds stays the same as regular seeds I'm fine with it.

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i can see that for sure, the ones i make generally dont throw nanners unless stressed in abnormal conditions specifically over ripening, but i can more than see why that could be passed on, just like using ones that throw nanners before they over ripen is something that *could* be passed on.

i just dont like losing all that bud and weve had pretty good results so far as were choosy over the clones we use pollen from, and i dont want to consume any of the chemicals used to do it. well aware that cs becomes a new chemical when it binds to copper, but id still prefer to avoid something that can pass through blood brain barriers and whatnot. and the reason over ripening them is a good way is because the stop uptaking the metals they use to produce flowering hormones that late into flower because they cant metabolise it, and the flower begins to revert towards intersexual flower production as a result, complete lack of those hormones means production of male flowers, is just what happens when the right metals and minerals for female flower production are no linger present in a living sexually mature plant, and lockout of these metals and minerals late in flower it 100% to be expected for any plant if taken long enough past "perfect" as i am sure you are already fully aware. But its the EXACT same biological process that introducing CS stimulates, just at a much slower rate. resulting in only a couple bananas instead of a plant filled with them. using a chemical to stimulate that process doesn't somehow make it different.

we generally just use male pollen then weed the males from the seed as we grow them, thats how the mother of the lanky and the outdoor came along lol. were non fem seed. but when we have done tis our results were fantastic, we wouldn't sell any of the seed made this way bulk, its pretty much for our own grows, but if done right it works fine. Is just a very poor choice for making fem seeds in bulk. and even if using CS isn't technically  stress hermie, it's mimicking whats going on in the biology of them on a micro scale.... semantics aside imo thats still stress induced when your just mimicking the biology present in an over ripened plant. when you stress a plant into hermaphroditism that otherwise wouldn't have done it, you aren't somehow adding to or subtracting from the genome of the plant in any way introducing CS would or wouldn't. we're just dealing with chemical reactions and hormones on this level, not anything to do with the genome of the plant.

another quote from that thread in response to being asked how to make female pollen:

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coda (also a trusted cultivator) said:
Stress the plant out to produce male flowers on a female plant.  Only way to make fem seeds.

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not been here long, have no idea how these views stack up with one another "politically" here, ive just done it this way many times, as have my friends locally, never had issues, but assuming Coda thought about this for a bit before making the statement and was coming at it from a similar standpoint to me it was entirely accurate from my point of view on the subject.


If over ripening for bananas is stress induced, then so it CS..... if CS is NOT stress induced, than neither is over ripening....same exact biological process, just on separate scale of time and efficiency.


thanks for the link and the 13/11 info btw Stoneth! steered me towards quite a few interesting things to read and thoughts to pursue! and as always much love for stopping by my grow log! forgive me if , I come across as condescending, just sharing how Ive come to understand the subject.


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The queen's been putting on a few these days am quite pleased for what is now 125ish watts from a non-single source




seedlings taking off nicely one in the middle is getting quite hefty for a week old from seed.

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Baron_Samedi said:
nice little ones look very happy

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And now you know what your expecting

they grow ridiculously fast. The third baby without any signs of hybrid vigor is still working on his second leaf set, probably gonna gift it to a friend once i get it topped and looking like something significant, is ten days old in this photo like the others:



The two big babies, 10 days from seed, both just got topped at third leaf-set early this morning, already seeing signs of the internodal growth picking up to replace the center stem on the bigger lankier one on the left







the one on the left in first pic has some LOOOOOONG leaf stems lol, a lot lkike my lanky phenotype clone, but leaves fingers are noticeably fatter than the lanky's were as a pip squeak

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Nevar44 said:
Mmmmmm, I love pineapples

Never had that one tho

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I love this guy right now

This is my first time getting ahold of Domestic breeder seeds outside of ones i bred myself :3 (not that i consider myself a breeder, far from it, im just a fan of free seeds when i can make them confdently)

i'm giddy like a school-girl

(Disclaimer to MTG: MTG as a company, and NO ONE affiliated with MTG had ANYTHING to do with me receiving seeds bred by them, was entirely a 3rd party deal)