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 Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow  [Re: Nevar44]
#815585 - 06/22/16 11:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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glad ive never had a bad enough bug problem to stop being a lazy grower xD.
although one winter my roomate brought a rose bush inside against my pleading and refused to let me treat it for spider mites and shit. and im sure my babies didnt appreciate all the dish soap misting.
Battled spider mites all winter that year. smoked a lot of lady bug shit.....
i will fight someone who tries to bring a rose bush anywhere near the inside of my house in winter xD
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Milktruck]
#815586 - 06/23/16 12:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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thanks bud I'm pretty neurotic about checking on them but try not to interfere with there own growth for this grow next one I'm gonna do SCROG so more training but I feel it will be a good experience I'm gonna wait till the SCROG is actually going before I make a new log I just hope people can learn from my mistakes I don't mind making them I always grow too many plants I can lose a few on the way or give them away to other patients 
I have 3 candidates right now either doc holiday, Fire OG, or Quad OG the doc is looking best so far she's growing pretty fast and already been sexed...
I'm kinda lost on when to pull that plant that got sick there's not as much trichs as I expected and the trichs are inconsistent in cloudiness some are cloudy some are half some are crystal clear the full spectrum and close together...I know that it's been a rough trip for that plant but damn I thing I may have to wait till I spot some Amber but I never wait that long I like a little pep in my buds not nigh nigh time lol
I'll post pics when the lights come on
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815594 - 06/23/16 05:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK so like I said I'm not sure how long to wait to pull the WW that had root rot I tried my best to get some loupe shots of the trichs they look like they are maturing really unevenly these were from the same bud mm away any input on how long I should wait to pull it's pretty much flushed out since it was recovering from the rot...
also the biggest bud on my main WW refuses to stack I checked for light leaks and it is pitch black in that tent that one i stopped feeding that one this week any ideas?
in other news I got my first blue oyster pins ever! I can't believe I got them to fruit I forgot to upload that pic but I am super stoked! I just used my cube sub mix cause I've been having issues with straw logs...
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815598 - 06/23/16 08:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have read about white widow phenos that go for 11-13 weeks in flower
Maybe if u have two diff widow plants, one is a pheno that's gonna go longer
I'd wait until I saw ONE amber trich then I'd flush and pull i think
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Nevar44]
#815618 - 06/23/16 01:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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^^^^This can happen, my Afghani queen seeds pop plants that take anywhere from 6 1/2 weeks to my lankies, which can sometimes take ten or more....usually the longer phenotypes end up being worth the wait 
Edited by Milktruck (06/23/16 01:20 PM)
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Milktruck]
#815625 - 06/23/16 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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thanks guys sounds like a good plan to me I don't know if I should resume feeding or not this flushing idea is very new to me... they are definitely different phenos even before it was sick it grew alot differently than my main down to its root growth though my main dosent look like a proper white widow at all...
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815626 - 06/23/16 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I still think it could be...these two plants came from the same cross. Both plants have the exacts same mom and dad...special queen x afghani...they dont even remotely look like the same strain, but seeds were identical and came out of the same bud on the same plant...single father pollen
Edited by Milktruck (06/23/16 08:49 PM)
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Milktruck]
#815629 - 06/23/16 09:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Am I using phenotype wrong? I'm not good with the techno jargon I mean they are both WW but have pulled completely different traits equates to separate phenotypes like the sick one would look like a classic WW if it didn't get sick and my main looks nothing like that but still the same strain
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815639 - 06/23/16 11:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thino milk truck just maybe read ur post wrong
Were all three in agreement that u have two diff phenos it seems
If u have them in the same bucket or same reservoir then... well... they need to be separated to be grown right
The one that hasn't frosted up yet, need to be fed longer
Now, what's best to do if u started flushing already and wanna continue feeding u decided... I'm clueless
I'd guess continuing feeding would be ok buts it's a guess
How long have u been flushing??
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Nevar44]
#815640 - 06/24/16 12:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i dont think i misunderstood, was just saying that there can be a LOT of variance among phenotypes of the same strain, to the point that they might as well not even be considered the same strain...both of those are afghani queens, but when done they wont even be remotely alike in term of the final smoke. Lanky's usually a potent, heady sativa leaning hybrid, fatass is a knock you on your ass kushy indica,both have the exact same two parents, were even from the same pollenated bud on the mother plant. hence why i like the term "fatass" and "lanky", they are the two dominant genotypes of the cross with the fatass being dominant, there exist 4 or 5 fatass phenotypes, and 2 or 3 lankies in these beans. i keep them separated based on what part of the plant the seed came from just so i can be amused at the genetic quirkiness to this particular cross. Two separate genotypes from one cross isnt super common, especially with stableized homogenous parents.
i second the feed it longer if it hasnt frosted up as you expected, my fatass didnt frost nearly as well as it usually does this time because i fucked up the nutrient ratios when i mixed her soil in comparison to the lanky.
Few days ago i gave her a good dose of my roots organcics bloom and im already seeing increased resin production and calyx swelling. maybe my seeds will pull through yet 
at any rate, that's a plant i would turn into edibles or hash lol. I mean no offense, ive had WAY worse looking plants and still finished and smoked em xD.
not sure what to say about nutrient levels, i can never guage a plants color or texture with pics under HPS lighting lol
Edited by Milktruck (06/24/16 12:07 AM)
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Milktruck]
#815642 - 06/24/16 03:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awesome ok as for the flush the main has not been fed in 2 weeks come Sunday and the sick one has only had 1/4 of its nutes for like 2 weeks then just water for the last 2 weeks so I'm just gonna start feeding them both again I just don't know when to flush but it seems like a common issue you will just learn when it's right... thanks for all the input I don't really smoke anything I eat and vape oil for the most part but I think there will be some nice nugs that come off these plants pics don't do her justice but I do agree the lighting is horrid and make everything just look orange I'm sure the leds don't help either...
oh while I have your guys attention is my main plants "fox tailing"? I hear that phrase quite often and why are people ashamed of it?
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815661 - 06/24/16 08:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would possibly start feeding the pheno thag hasn't frosted up yet more
If u have been flushing the other one two weeks I'd maybe just pull it... not sure really tho..
In a hydro system u shouldn't need to flush two weeks I don't imagine. I flush one week no longer. After a week of no food the plants start to become deficient which will affect taste in neg way I'm told and I believe that
I think foxtail ing is a desires trait. People say their foxtailing and r happy about that. Cause that means, u are getting more bud weight from the new fox tails
My BD grow had some nice foxtails. When u see ur plant fox tailing it's prob best to pull her once she stops fattening up in thr foxtails. U will b able to tell
Sry milktruck, I guess U didn't read anything wrong my bad. I was just trying to clarify whatever confusion was there lol
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Edited by Nevar44 (06/24/16 08:30 AM)
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Nevar44]
#815696 - 06/24/16 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I actually hate foxtailing, that extra two hours of trimming and manacurig ain't worth the extre eighth or so running plantsthe size I do lol. It also tends to dry out to a crisp once cured up a lot easier which I don't like lol.
And as for flushing, when I was running GH in DWC I only flushed about five days...product had a clean burn and white ash, if your not running a soil everything takes like half the time lol.
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Milktruck]
#815707 - 06/24/16 03:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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[Golden Mammoth, (blue?) oyster, next two are the sick WW, Last 2 are the main WW]
I don't think that cult was actually blue oysters I forget who I got them from but I guess we will see what kind of oysters I'm actually growing lol
great thanks for the insight guys I'm still unsure if my main is fox tailing or not though...
I never had these issues outside after reading a few people's experiences with outside growing I'm feeling very lucky I was taught the way I was and pretty much just handed my method that was perfected by many before me for my specific area I've battled bugs and pests maybe a few dry spells but no where near the envolvement of growing these days... I just had to mix my composts right apply when needed train then harvest it took forever and it was never a huge crop 3 plants at most but they got huge! but potency was awesome for the time but got nothing on these new well bred strains... and I'm babbling
I started feeding both I'm gonna give the sick one a week and play it by ear
Edited by Baron_Samedi (06/24/16 04:16 PM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815834 - 06/26/16 07:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol, my strains are far from well bred, everything ive ran for the past year has been a product of spilling my entire ziplock of afghani pollen onto a single special queen three weeks into flower. Was probably the biggest "oh god what have I done?!" Moment ive ever had while growing.
But shit, im getting some DAMN good clone only phenotypes no one else has ever seen or smoked before, at this point im almost glad I fucked up that special queen xD. Some of the phenos have been danker than either of the parents could have ever been. (Thank you f1 hybrid vigor ) me and a couple buddies are the only living people to have ever sampled these phenotypes, from what I can find im the only one to ever cross these two genepools, the genotypes have been separate since at LEAST 1970 probably a LOT longer Considering one parent came from a columbian skunk hybrid thats been stable and homogenous for years, and the other was a pure afghani landrace. Afghani and skunk has always been a very popular cross, I just used two fairly uncommon genepools. My lanky queen pheno specifically kept the potency, yeild and overall asthetic of the special queen (skunk genotype) but the afghani characteristics densed up the nugs a bit and cut almost two weeks off the flower period  shes a SOLID 7-8 weeks tops. Special queen was 9 most of the time and the afghani was 6 1/2 to 7...USUALLY the fatass phenos sit pretty around 7 weeks flat.
And as far as im concerned, if your looking at plants producing flowers and trichomes, it could have been WAAAAAAY worse, you gotta a couple plants there that will make some excellent hash or edibles even if not a shit-ton lol. I myself drifted away from hydro and soiless mediums because I already have one job xD, dont want another, super soils= pretty much zero effort...just add water and watch grass grow my yeilds went from vegging four weeks with one or two plants, and 4 1/2-5 ounce yeilds to veggin six small ones for three weeks and 4-5 ounce yeilds. I cit a week off time, minimized all effort and time spent working on them, and yeild barely sufferd at all. Top nugs were smaller, but quality was just as good and sin e they were a bit smaller, I just had way MORE top nugs.
Edited by Milktruck (06/26/16 07:37 PM)
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Milktruck]
#815881 - 06/27/16 07:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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damn nice happy accident! but I meant well bred as compared to 20 years ago especially here I quit growing 16yrs ago and just got back in to it now hydro was all the rage here and have wanted to try it for just as long...
I have learned a lot from this grow so future ones will only get better I really like being able to tweak and change things in general but it is more a necessity when learning about nutes and root growth you have that safety net of being able to flush any mistakes you make quickly and easily lessening the damage to the plant but I get it with the super soils and I'm gonna give the a whirl I work for myself and spend lots of time at home so it's no big deal to check on the plants...
Sadly I had to keep my seedlings and clone in my main tent since I'm waiting on my bulbs to show up for my veg tent and they are starting to flower dispite the heavy N they will be here by the end if the week so no big deal to veg for a couple weeks then back to flower
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815889 - 06/27/16 09:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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for future refrence all you need is about 10 watts of light on vegging plants at night to keep them from flowering, when i didnt used to have a veg box during flowering nights i would pull out seedlings and set them by a nightlight, they did great and held off from flowering. as long as you have light on em brighter than a full moon they will think its day time
trying to use extra n2 to prevent flower can cause massive stress hermie problems once you make the switch permanent, you have fair warning xD, and revegging tends to slightly damage yeild and end bud size ive noticed over the years, but for some strange reason can actually increase resin production and potency....so hmmmm 
obviously they need direct intense light during the 12 hours on or they will stretch like Dr. Fantastic
Edited by Milktruck (06/27/16 09:21 PM)
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Milktruck]
#815895 - 06/27/16 09:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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good reference! there's not enough fantastic four in daily conversation!
But I didn't add any extra N it's heavy in the feeding charts I have learned my lesson from super thrive and full veg nutes
the way my veg box is set up incandescents put off way too much heat it is already way too hot to use that's all I got ATM but interesting using a nite lite to keep from flowering my tent is on from midnight to noon so I could just take them out during the day to sit by a window that's 5ish hours without light I'm sure I've made a rig for that already so awesome!
thanks man!
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815896 - 06/27/16 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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if its brighter than a clear full moon night during their lower light period and they are getting at least 12 hours a day intense light they should stay in veg no problem so long as light exposure above full moon strength of any kind is present at leas 16 hours a day, as some strains like my fatass will flower even under 14/10.. wont stretch too bad that way either, but will be *slightly* lankier than say 18/6 or 20/4 of direct intense light, which id personally recommend over 24 hours anyway, plants go into flower quicker and stretch less at the 12/12 switch with less overall stress and hermie risk consistently that way. not to mention the amount of electricity you save over a year of growing that way lol. on 18/6 every 4 days youve made up an entire 24 hours worth of free light by contrast to 24 hours, over 4 weeks veg youve gained a free WEEK of lighting. over a years worth of veg you have saved 3 months worth of constant 24 hours lighting
what would running your veg setup on 24 hours for three months cost you? because thats what you save in a year of vegging plants 18/6 over 24 hours. and have happier less stressed plants in flower along with it
Edited by Milktruck (06/27/16 10:53 PM)
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Milktruck]
#815991 - 06/28/16 08:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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20/4 is what I vegged this run and they only really stretched when they went in to flower I vegged under MH for 30 days and had a lot of issues getting the light distance right I think I was just too worried about it its the first time I had to deal with acting like the sun lol its a tough roll...
for my next grow I vegged for 24hrs for 2 weeks under an 12w led flood but I also had my WW clone in there and about a week in the flowering tent the all started to show sex good side I got to sex them bad thing they are alot smaller than my white widow were when they went in to flower but I'm more concerned about my clone than the seedlings we will see how that goes in my next log
I wanted to use my veg box for some critical+ and silver haze seeds that just cracked hence the new light order I wanted to do the a long veg 30 days 18/6 under incandescents but too hot even with fan rig so I'll try with cfl if those are still too hot I got some leds to do the job and I'll do cfls when the weather cools if this setup works out I'll post it but still working out the bugs I'm just going through any wild idea following basic guidelines to explore more options for the love of the hobby and it's the best way I learn I've already done the growth by numbers outside with great success but now that I can grow without legal worries it's time to put my tinker skills to the test lol
I'd like to thank all of you for your great input this community may be small but amazing and dedicated to the love ofor growing minus the random dumbass of course!
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