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#797049 - 10/16/15 06:27 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Really excited for this one!
got these fem seeds from a friend... the housing space is 54 cf 3x3x6 lwh. i have a 420cfm carbon filter (hella expensive  !!) hooked up to a 400w enclosed bulb fixture with a 435cfm fan pushing air over that bulb and out of the tent. the intake comes from outside this space where the air is cooler.
i germinated on the 17th of September.
annnnd.... it looks like i managed to delete most of my pictures from my drive.... bummer. still got them as seedlings though...
these are my little babies today... just topped them twice again today, only the two non-krinkly looking plants that dont look heat stressed. the other one looks like it's starting to adjust having been rotated.
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i am curious about the minor leaf curling, and the new growth seems skinny on two of the plants,
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#797050 - 10/16/15 06:37 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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curling off to the side i mean* the droopiness is a tiny case of minor root rot from over water... it should clear up in several days as the soil dries out.
so after a month now, the soil should be depleted mostly of nutrients and should need some additional ferts? i picked up some fox farms grow big... will be using that along with some root stimulator from gh with some squid and seaweed.
the soil is ammended with dolomite lime, and shouldnt be having any pH problems.. but is it possible that the water ive been giving them at 8 is messing with them even with the lime?
i am thinking of flushing with pH 7 water adjusted with pH down (however much it tells me to a gallon from pH 8)
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#797056 - 10/16/15 10:05 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah you can start a little bit of a feeding and see how they take it.
Start adjusting the water before you give it to the plants and stop with the 8 ph water.
Everything looks pretty good have fun with the grow.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Magash]
#797168 - 10/19/15 08:10 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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plant 1: "Daisy"
in this picture you can see the leaf structure curving off to the side. in a lower branch, there is a problem with the formation of chlorophyll, not sure what this is all about.... only thing i know that does that is TMV(tobacco mosaic virus)
plant 1: "Daisy"
in this photo, the tips of these leaves are showing nutrient deficiencies, lighter green as opposed to the rest of the leaves. many leaves have dark and thick leaves possibly to too much nitrogen.
plant 2: "Rose"
in this photo, you can see possible heat stress. this plant must be sensitive... also, the newer growth has more of a variable coloration, doesn't look healthy to me.
plant 3: "Dom"
this plant is the heahlthiest. she is the tallest. however, you can see the leave structure on that main fan leaf turning off to the middle with wrinkles. something seems up.
plant 2: "Rose"
close up of the new growth. weird structure mixed with lighter green
these plants were given pH'd water at 7 and a dose of FoxFarm's 'Grow Big' yesterday or the day before, along with some root hormone, bio weed, and bio marine from GH
the lights have been adjusted another several inches above Dom to not bee so close.
what say you guys?
Post in progress~ please stand by for editing
Edited by ShortCircuit (10/19/15 08:20 PM)
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#797192 - 10/20/15 02:16 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are you growing white widow?
Cause thats my favorite strain 
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
#797195 - 10/20/15 04:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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all i know it's called "widow" don't think it's white widow, but i could be wrong.
bumping this thread for advice, how am i doing ??
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#797266 - 10/21/15 02:52 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks healthy to me.
Nice work. 
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
#798636 - 11/13/15 09:30 AM (9 years, 16 days ago) |
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the plants are quite big today. 'Dom' the healthiest and fastest growing of the three has made into flowering and has changed it's growth pattern to be asymmetrical somehow. it has something to do with the photoperiod, obviously... but im not 100% sure how. i was leaving the closet door open for the vent to run outside all the time, and had it closed completely when i was away from home out of town. what should i do at this point? should i go ahead and just drop into flowering, or is it possible to let it ease back into vegetative growth? i dont think the pattern goes back, but does it matter?
i really wanted the tent to fill up a bit more... perhaps i will post some pics today...
UPDATED
Alrighty... here's a pic of the plants as they are today...
i have to say, i'm not a huge fan of non-organic nute lines so far, and this pH stuff is a little ridic considering i've been adjusting the ph and still getting some light green/slender new growth.
Stoney, if you're followin' man, i'd love to hear somethin' from ya
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#798664 - 11/13/15 04:53 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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Updated above post with fresh pics
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit] 1
#798672 - 11/13/15 10:36 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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is it possible to let it ease back into vegetative growth?
Possible yes, but takes time, and at this point may not be worth it to ya.
Those pics look pretty good to me.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Stoneth]
#798673 - 11/14/15 12:09 AM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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no doubt. what would you do at this point? let the tent fill a little more or pop these mama's into flowering? i'm leaning towards filling up...
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#798676 - 11/14/15 12:49 AM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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How far above the soil is the screen?
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#798677 - 11/14/15 12:51 AM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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into flowering and has changed it's growth pattern to be asymmetrical somehow. it has something to do with the photoperiod, obviously... but im not 100% sure how.
For the first two weeks the plants are adjusting from veg to flowering so they tend to stretch a little at this time and branch a little more esp if they are sativas. Plants with sativa in them may stretch up to 3 times there height during flowering.
During the first two weeks when the plants are switching from veg to flowering I like to use a 50/50 veg/flowering mix.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Magash]
#798698 - 11/14/15 09:16 AM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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Magash, what do you mean by a 50/50 veg/flowering mix?
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Magash]
#798708 - 11/14/15 10:48 AM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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Quote:
Stoneth said:
How far above the soil is the screen?
about a foot or so, which should leave me with 2-3 feet of flowering space, a square meter if i did things right.
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Magash said:
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into flowering and has changed it's growth pattern to be asymmetrical somehow. it has something to do with the photoperiod, obviously... but im not 100% sure how.
For the first two weeks the plants are adjusting from veg to flowering so they tend to stretch a little at this time
what i meant was, i'm not sure how light got in to alter the photoperiod.
also, that stretch is basically the plants looking for light, correct? and an slower adjustment of the photoperiod will ease this transition into flowering and lessen both the stress and the stretch from the plant no? like going from 18/6 -> 16/8 -> 14/10 -> 12/12 say, over the course of 2 weeks?
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During the first two weeks when the plants are switching from veg to flowering I like to use a 50/50 veg/flowering mix.
i picked up tigerbloom thinking it was organic for vegetative growth, and i have some 'earth juice' organic mix for flowering. as i understand, even if the npk values are fairly low, the concentrates/synthetic nutes are more readily available to the plants than the organic line. my gut tells me i should adjust that ratio of the mix. does it matter? i've noticed that i can easily overdo the tigerbloom.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Scribbler]
#798758 - 11/14/15 09:02 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
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Magash, what do you mean by a 50/50 veg/flowering mix?
the plants get 50% veg nutrients and 50 flowering.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#798809 - 11/15/15 11:22 AM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
ShortCircuit said:
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How far above the soil is the screen?
about a foot or so, which should leave me with 2-3 feet of flowering space, a square meter if i did things right.
Personally I'd start flowering.
A 400 hps only has about 16 inches of good penetration, and they should stretch one to two foot after the switch.
I'm also not a fan of the slow count down on the time change, never saw any real benefits in it.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Stoneth]
#798853 - 11/15/15 04:12 PM (9 years, 13 days ago) |
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right on.
some things have drastically changed with my living situation, and the plants have to be moved or destroyed. i'm pretty upset right now and have been since yesterday afternoon.
gonna need all the good vibes or whatever right now to get me through harvest, i'm tired of things coming up and fucking me over before i can get anything from my work. 
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit] 1
#798860 - 11/15/15 06:47 PM (9 years, 13 days ago) |
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Sorry to hear that man.
Hope all works out well for ya.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Magash]
#798988 - 11/17/15 11:59 PM (9 years, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
Magash said:
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Scribbler said:
Magash, what do you mean by a 50/50 veg/flowering mix?
the plants get 50% veg nutrients and 50 flowering.
Ah thanks! Good luck OP that sucks.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Scribbler]
#799594 - 11/25/15 05:23 PM (9 years, 3 days ago) |
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all plants are now under 12/12 and 400 w HPS
i think i've been over doing the nutes just a tad... last night i just gave them pH adjusted water to 6.5-7 ish no nutes... gave them enough water to have it go all the way through to come out the bottom
i think i have toxic salt build up, i used a mix of 'biobud', molasses, a teaspoon or so of Grow Big, and some earth juice, 1-2 teaspoons and have been giving nutes every watering so like every 2-3 days.
this is the front left plant.
the last photo has some kind of leaf curl... any ideas? and should i just ease off on the nutes for a minute for another watering of just water? please advise.
on another note, all plants are probably going to be moved tonight.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#800152 - 12/01/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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problem was toxic salt build up... i made the mistake of using GrowBig every watering and the instructions said every other... you can see the salts where the water has evaporated in the bottom trays.
i gave them just a big dose of regular water and the skinny light green growth has gone away. will be taking a few more pics later this week when i have access to them...
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#800264 - 12/03/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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November 25th, 2015:
This photo is the last time i put them under the net
Nutrients on this day:
1 tsp bio weed
1 tsp bio bud
1-2 tsp (low-med dose) grow big (for the nitrogen, the earth juice contains 0 nitrogen...)
1-2 tsp earthjuice flowering
2 tsp Grandma's Molasses
pH: 4-5 (yikes!) failed to remember to correct the pH for this nute run, realized my mistake and added extra Distilled water (pH is always 7.0) to help buffer my mistake. good thing i am using soil and amended with plenty of Dolomite lime. (pH 7.0) [edit 2 - might be thinking of a different day... damn this post is messy.]
November 29th, 2015:
-pH-adjusted tap water, 7.0 no nutrients
December 3rd, 2015:
here the plants have begun to poke through and really stretch towards the light. i found them at about 3-6 inches away from the enclosed light fixture (vented)
They have also begun to really perk back up from the salt build up problem, so i know things are going back to normal.
signs of heat stress in some places, doesn't look extremely bad. raised the lights to 6+ inches. all is well for the most part
NUTRIENTS:
1 TSP bio weed
1 tsp bio bud
2 tsp GrowBig
2 tsp earthjuice flower
2 tsp molasses
they were hungry today! lots of lower leaves falling off as the plant used up the energy stores in the lower canopy.
adjusted the pH to 6.5 in the solution. i have noticed that flowering mixtures run LOW pH, my solutions are always 4 and under before i adjust them, and it takes a bit more pH raise to get them up with the added nutrients. pH lower has some kind of potash or potassium in it, not sure which, forgot what the lable read... it probably has something to do with it.
TEMPERATURE:
-mid-high 80's for the high;
-high 60's to mid 70's for the lows.
HUMIDITY: 65%
today i got the po-dunk ac-unit to run, had to suck out the water from the bottom... was told it should be good for 12 hours till it shuts off because it's drowning again. will be doing my best to have it looked after once a day as i can no longer be there every day.
[edit- removed redundant files]
Edited by ShortCircuit (12/03/15 03:48 AM)
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#800268 - 12/03/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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 I do see how the leaves are showing signs of heat stress. In my limited experience, 6" from the plants is still pretty close (I use a 600watt cooltube hood) but it could be because of your high overall temps as well. Luckily I don't have to deal with high temps where my tents are located, so I don't have first hand experience with it. If I'm wrong here someone please correct me, I know way more about mushroom cultivation than I do mary jane cultivation right now.  I'm just about to the end of my 2nd full grow.
Try and drop your humidity too. That's a good value for veg but too high for flowering.
Looks really nice though man!
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Scribbler]
#800304 - 12/03/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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before i moved them, the humidity was lower and so was the ambient room temperature... was in low to mid 70's all day and night... because of a good air conditioning system. i was also able to have the light at about 3-6 inches no problem. the temps and humidity right now are the best i can do given the parameters of the area they are in at the moment. it's not what i wanted at all, but it's going to have to do.
anyway, mold becomes an issue anywhere above 65% as i understand it. there's really no way around this one.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#800334 - 12/03/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well damn man...let's hope for the best then!
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Scribbler]
#800335 - 12/03/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#800339 - 12/03/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Besides the heat stress and humidity issues, they still look super healthy! Best of luck and I will be watching man. Keep it up!
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShroomingChaos]
#800358 - 12/03/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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dehumidifiers crossed my mind hawks, but they are definitely out of my price range right now. i see some for $55 which is somewhat affordable, but money is a real bitch. i'll see about getting one at some point.
i checked the humidity while the lights were on today, 77 deg F and 61%
@scribbler & SC - Thanks a lot
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#800392 - 12/04/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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It'd pay for itself man. 55 bucks is nothing if it saves your crop.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#800474 - 12/05/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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55 is a lot when you don't have much to your name. things are pretty rough right now man.
anyway, how's this for a solution? Jerry-rigged the AC unit up to the tent with a T-connector splitting the airflow between the tent and the rest of the room.
Temps are now 68 deg F ish (when i checked it after 30 or so minutes of run time.
Humidity is now below 60, i clocked it at 58%
today I mixed up one gallon of nutrient solution total for all three plants, so far this has been sufficient for the growth:
pH: 6.5-7
1 tsp of Bio Bud
1 tsp of Bio Weed
2 tsp of Grow Big
2 tsp of Earth Juice Flowering
2 tsp of Molasses
Disregard the high points for the data.
these next three pictures show the growth on one of the plants, not the two best ones i have. it's got what looks like mutant growth to me, one of the main stems is flat and wide. there is also a ton of growth in two of the lower branches which i guess means the plant's auxins are not properly distributed throughout.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#800490 - 12/05/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Weird, I haven't seen a flat stem like that before
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#800496 - 12/05/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Me either
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Scribbler]
#800498 - 12/05/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've only seen one, and it was a male PPP.
Killed it when his balls dropped.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Stoneth]
#800505 - 12/05/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just like stoneth said, the only one I have ever had with a flat stem like that was a male and I chopped it down. It was weird AF, definitely mutant lol
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 Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#800549 - 12/06/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
ShortCircuit said:... the growth on one of the plants, not the two best ones I have. it's got what looks like mutant growth to me...
That plant was the runt of the litter right from the beginning, right?
Thought I saw that in that other thread.
Looks good...
You're in 2nd week of 12/12?
They'll be getting fat buds in no time. 
I had to stop growing for a while...
maybe again in Spring. I have plenty to smoke though.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: vinsue]
#800772 - 12/09/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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week 3. things are starting to frost up. moved the lights a tiny bit further away from the plants.
soil was still wet... guess they aren't using as much water now that i have that tent air conditioned.
fed them each a gallon (3 total) of 6.5-7 (it was hard to get just 7 on two gallons for some reason)
with:
1 tsp bio bud (will be using this once a week only now as per directions)
2 tsp molasses
2 tsp grow big
2 tsp earth juice.
i have access to some 0-16-16 stuff, going to use 'crystal burst' next week around. have a question for the nutes, should i still be using the grow big? none of the other products have any nitrogen whatsoever, is what i am doing now the right thing?
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#801199 - 12/13/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I typically stick to one brand of nutrients and a nutrient schedule. Everyone has their own ways of doing things though when it comes to feeding schedules. It varies from strain to strain and person to person. I have a set schedule that I follow and stick to and I have always had premium results because I stick to the same schedule no matter what. Just go with what you know is best and whatever works for what you have as far as nutrients and what you can afford. Lets see some pictures!
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShroomingChaos]
#801530 - 12/16/15 05:58 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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these are from sunday...
i was woken up after only several hours of sleep this morning having worked a double and yayaya to texts from my 'friend' saying that the humidity and heat soared in the tent because he was left for out of town to go catch mullet.
the ac unit for the place regularly drowns itself and the water needs to be vac'd out esp when the weather gets hot outside. he told me he would help with this project, knew what the weather was going to be like and that the ac unit behaves as such and left town anyway. i'm pretty sure he'd been drinking and had taken xanax... at one point he started flipping out on me telling me that he was going to rip the plants up and put them in the fire pit and to come get all my stuff. so i came over there, and he flipped out on me for doing that.
pretty upset with him, but i guess it's my responsibility for trusting the guy? 4 more weeks to go and these would have been great. i would have had enough money to give to him and get myself back on my feet again, instead i'm here.
anyway, they are going to continue on for now, i still have to talk to him again today so we will see... i haven't seen the extent of the heat stress yet.
how bad will this effect my yield? i'm going to post some pictures of the damage when i can
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My advice...trust no one but yourself.
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 looks like everything's fine for the most part... the heat stress isn't nearly as bad as what was made out to be. The plant that seemed to take it the worst is the mutant plant, though she seems to still be putting energy into bud production.
nutes today:
2 tsp Earth Juice (because can use every watering)
2 tsp Molasses
today was just mostly water to wash the salts out. the buds are starting to frost up and the smell is getting pungent.
I am one happy camper today.
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Looking good.
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They look GREAT man! Keep up the good work. I cant wait to see the end results on these beautiful ladies!
Oh BTW - I would NEVER EVER trust anyone else to know where your garden is... for all you know he could betray you in the end. I have never let anyone know where I was growing or when the next harvest would be. If you can do it all alone, I would. NEVER TRUST ANYONE when it comes to growing anything.
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yeah man, that was what i was doing before, not a soul knew... some shit went down though and i had to have someone else house the project for me to which they said they could oblige. i don't trust anyone knowing i grow anything, but the circumstances didn't allow for that and i thought it would be best to see these ladies through harvest instead of chopping them down prematurely... just a few more weeks left, and everything will be gravy.
thanks for the compliments man! really appreciate feed back from this community.
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thanks for the compliments man! really appreciate feed back from this community.
Anytime man! Thats why we are here. I understand where your coming from with what happened and all. I would suggest that the next time you run more plants (if there is even going to be a next time) that you should do it completely SOLO and not tell a soul about them. I know how hard it is not to show your buddies pictures and everything but in the end its totally worth it when your all sitting around smoking the weed you grew and they have no idea it was all done by you unless you inform them. I get my friends every time with it haha. They always tell me how good it is and that whoever grew it did it right and I am just sitting there soaking up all the glory and they have absolutely no idea that I am the one in charge of making it so delicious and dank! Its a great feeling, that's for sure.
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Just show us pictures to satisfy the need 
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Just show us pictures to satisfy the need
Agreed! We gotta have plenty of pics to satisfy our every need! haha
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as of Jan 2nd, 2016
QUESTION: I understand that you start numbering the days once the plants themselves start to show signs of adjusting to the change in photoperiod, not just when you adjust the photoperiod, correct?
on average, how long does this take for the plants, about a week? this will help me better know when to make the harvest.
notably, some plants are more developed than the others. The mutant is seemingly finishing up nicely with the snowyest of buds, while the other two are a little behind.
i've decided that i might can get away with giving the plants some molasses water and then one and a half full weeks of plain pH7 water.
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Trichomes are what you want to monitor.
You should pick up a small microscope or jewelers' loop 60x or better.
With sativas the goal is 15 to 20 percent of the trichomes full milk/amber/.
Indicas usually shoot for about 30 to 35 percent of the trichomes full milk.
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Those jeweler loops suck.. This is the microscope I got to replace all those loops I had. I've had a smaller cheap microscope that didn't hold up very long, this one is nice. Cheap too.
I always go by how the plant looks, the stage of growth that its in and how much water it is sucking down. Usually you can tell when a plant is almost ready by how little water it appears to be sucking down all of a sudden. Otherwise the structure of the plant tells me most of what I want. I generally harvest just before it foxtails or after, not in between.
If you don't have a scope, check for tricomes that glean and glisten in the light. If it sparkles, its amber. Usually you'll see a few of those with the naked eye right when its about time.
The flip to flower and the speed in which the plant responds depends on the phase of growth before its going into flower. If its stalled and in a pot and your just holding on to it for weeks before flowering it, it might take awhile, 2-3 weeks before it shows flower. If its young and vigorous and ready to go into flower it can show flowers at the end of the week. Timing the vigor of the plant makes a big difference in adjusting to the new photo period.
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 thanks guys! i have a jeweler's lupe but it's 45x (i think, i'm not entirely sure), which is OK but not as powerful as i'd really like... it can be hard to use some times.
to clarify (i think the grow bible by cervantes speaks differently) you say as the trichomes go from clear to amber, harvest when i certain percentage have gone milk- then that would mean that a lot of the flower finishes up after harvest and in curing correct? the genetics are hybrid from gorilla
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it all depends on what type of high you're looking for....the trichs go from clear to milky white to Amber.
Clear means it's at minimum THC value
Milky means it's at its peak THC value (sativa high.more uplifting)
Amber means the THC is breaking down into more complex cannabinoid.(indica high more sleepiness bodyhigh couchlock shit)
AND ALSO it's true after harvest and while curing the Thc and other cannabinoids continue to break down into more complex goodies.....but don't take my word for it continue to read and research, after all I could be wrong.
But one thing I know for sure is that patience is A virtue and the longer it flowers the better it gets. I usually let my plants flower as long as I can.
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And also when all the hairs turn orange that's usually a good sign of maturity. It might not be ready to get chopped down just yet, but when u see those pretty white hairz turn orange you know you're getting real close to 4:20pm
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: DannyFolks]
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it all depends on what type of high you're looking for....the trichs go from clear to milky white to Amber.
Clear means it's at minimum THC value
Milky means it's at its peak THC value (sativa high.more uplifting)
Amber means the THC is breaking down into more complex cannabinoid.(indica high more sleepiness bodyhigh couchlock shit)
AND ALSO it's true after harvest and while curing the Thc and other cannabinoids continue to break down into more complex goodies.....but don't take my word for it continue to read and research, after all I could be wrong.
But one thing I know for sure is that patience is A virtue and the longer it flowers the better it gets. I usually let my plants flower as long as I can.
This seems to be more if an old school way of thinking.the type of high etc. From my understandings it is linked to genetics, more than when you harvest.
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it all depends on what type of high you're looking for....the trichs go from clear to milky white to Amber.
Clear means it's at minimum THC value
Milky means it's at its peak THC value (sativa high.more uplifting)
Amber means the THC is breaking down into more complex cannabinoid.(indica high more sleepiness bodyhigh couchlock shit)
AND ALSO it's true after harvest and while curing the Thc and other cannabinoids continue to break down into more complex goodies.....but don't take my word for it continue to read and research, after all I could be wrong.
But one thing I know for sure is that patience is A virtue and the longer it flowers the better it gets. I usually let my plants flower as long as I can.
this is basically everything i have read up until now. a lot of this can be found in cervantes' books.
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This seems to be more if an old school way of thinking.the topper if high etc. From my understandings it is linked to genetics, more than when you harvest.
alright. since this is mostly an indica, i should probably shoot for the 35% milky then, correct? no amber? then the rest (65%) will be still clear?
I may have to cut these down at different times, some seemed more mature than others last i checked.
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LIKE I SAID "dont take my word for it continue to read and research after all I could be wrong"
I hate when people imply that im wrong and they're right, when i clearly stated "I could be wrong".
And i purposely stated I could be wrong so people like you wouldn't say I was wrong, and u still managed to say it.
But the fact of the matter is i already know IM RIGHT. I jus hate debating and arguing over sum shit i kno is correct but any way....sorry have a nice day
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No need to be defensive man. I used to go by the theory you stated a well. And with the more testing that's been available with the increase of recreational, I've been finding that the different cannabinoids seem to be more connected to genetics than harvest time.
But like I said, just my observation.
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alright. since this is mostly an indica, i should probably shoot for the 35% milky then, correct? no amber? then the rest (65%) will be still clear?
I may have to cut these down at different times, some seemed more mature than others last i checked.
At 35 percent full milk/amber/ the other 65 percent will most likely be at different levels of cloudy not all still clear.
And with what I've seen so far out of your girls, yeah I'd go with a indica harvest guide line.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Stoneth]
#802795 - 01/06/16 11:34 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is today. I see lots of milky trichomes, almost all of the ones on the mutant plant(front right in the bigger pic) are milky. It's hard to twll with the 40x lupe and to keep my hand steady... They smell so sweet and intoxicating.
Can you please clarify again on what you mean stoneth? Do you mean, all trichones have turned milky with 35% of them being amber? Something's not clicking for me.
The thirteenth will mark 8 weeks since i switched the photoperiod over to flowering. The plants are showing different rates of maturity, with the mutant in seemingly in first, the back left in second, and the front left in third, you might be able to make them out.
The last time they got regular nutes was maybe a week and a half ago? Perhaps the 26th or 30th judging by when i took pictures and guessing. Things have been very very stressful at home and at work and i've been extremely busy and exhausted... I was going to give them more plain water + mollasses today, but decided against and just gave them pH-neutral water --- think i made the right choice?
I'm gladly taking any and all in-depth advice from the veterans here, and i don't want to foul this up in any way.
When harvest does come, i plan on chopping down and cutting into sectiona and placing them on coat hangers for 4-7 days, after which they will go in brown paper bags being turned every several hours (? -- this may be hard for me because of work...) then plucking off the fans and trimming further. I am still iffy on my understanding of harvest drying (curing not so much, i have humidity packs on their way) i would greatly appreciate some info there (have looked at psychotron's 'perfect dry and cure' but something isn't clicking there either)
Really appreciate everything this community has given to me thus far.
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bump, sorry for the wall of text.
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I see lots of milky trichomes, almost all of the ones on the mutant plant(front right in the bigger pic) are milky. It's hard to twll with the 40x lupe and to keep my hand steady... They smell so sweet and intoxicating.
Can you please clarify again on what you mean stoneth? Do you mean, all trichones have turned milky with 35% of them being amber? Something's not clicking for me.
I'm willing to bet it'll all click for ya in or about 14 to 21ish days.
At this point all you need to do is keep them happy, and watch those trichomes do their thing.
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Thanks man!
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Update:
I have taken te netting out and many of the mutant colas are so heavy they are topplin over to the side. Not breaking though.
I am currently running gallons and gallons and gallons through the growth media, the runoff has gotten less and less colorful and is now a very light shade of green. I'm hoping this helps drain out the nutrients and helps me get ready for harvest on wednesday.
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Be sure to tie those colas up so they don't break on ya.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Stoneth]
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lights went dark at ~6 am this morning. Plants are now experiencing 24 hours of dark.
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Is there a reason you're running with no lights?
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Stoneth]
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I'm harvesting them at around 6 am. a 24 hour period of darkness is reported by some growers to increase resin production, i've also read that the starches and some other nutrients travel back to the roots during dark, but i am skeptical of that bit. is this outdated?
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Don't know if I 'd call it outdated or just unfounded.
I've read it many times myself usually see it posted as 48 hrs of darkness.
Never seen a difference myself tho, so I quit doing it and just cut them when they're ready.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: Stoneth]
#803154 - 01/12/16 09:21 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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no doubt. at any rate, humidity has been fluctuating during the darkness giving me an idea of what to expect during drying. 54-61% RH is what the high and low are for the day, i feel comfortable with that. i know they say under 60 but things should be okay... temps are 60's, and i'd really like to get that up to 70 even. it will be hard though without a proper unit in the building.
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They've been hanging since wednesday and were crisp to the touch when i felt them today so i have pulled them out and have manicured a branch or three. The stems bend however, no snapping sound. Since they've been back out in the open air with 70~ % humidity they have moistened back up. The larger nugs smell peculiar, but overall there is a sweet limonene smell to the buds and man are they pungent. I think i've got some good buds here...
Thinking of hanging them back up for a couple days and put the buds that are manicured in a wooden open bowl. Good idea?
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#803540 - 01/19/16 09:07 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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all is finished this morning! final trimming is done... lots of small stuff... way more good stuff. 4 ounces or so of the good stuff! and man, is it some of the snowyist bud i've ever seen... there's a couple or so ounces of the just-less-than amazing stuff. i have not officially weighed it, but four quart masons and a couple more...
everything is packed up with boveda right now. things were really crispy, only a couple buds being wet still. everything smells incredible. i will try to open the jars every once in a while or so to help stave off any mold. will post some close up pics soon....
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#803546 - 01/19/16 10:52 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't seal them in with the boveda's for too long if they're not close to being dry. Boveda only works so well, they're not really for removing moisture out of the buds, but merely preventing them from being overmoist. Your 70% humidity is more than the 62% the Boveda creates, so in theory if you left them out they would be too moist. You might need a dehumidifier, or wait a few days and see if it drops. Raising the temperature might help if its too cold and humid.
I prefer paper bags over glass jars for drying. Have you read my curing method?
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: phychotron]
#803547 - 01/19/16 11:34 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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the boveda packs are two way, they remove moisture out of the air too right? i plan on opening the jars regularly, but the moisture is mostly gone i think in the buds
the 70% humidity is just a spike, it was raining during that period, and it's down to 28% today
i have read your drying method, if it's not connected in that thread then i haven't
the majority of the buds were starting to feel borderline too dry to me, the stems mostly bent, no snaps though.
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#803577 - 01/19/16 08:30 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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They do 2 way moisture control, but only to a point. They're not made to just suck water out of your buds, but to keep them from being over-wet by a little bit.
It sounds like your close, and that you need to redistribute the moisture so the buds will soften up and stems dry up a little bit. This is the hardest part, getting it to a perfect moisture level for curing.
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Re: ShortCircuit's first official Widow growlog [Re: ShortCircuit]
#803933 - 01/23/16 07:31 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice grow.
How's it taste?
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