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 H J Farnsworth
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 To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? 
#788884 - 08/07/15 05:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is the question. The plant is an auto that's three weeks or so into flower. Thanks everyone
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 Deadkndys420
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: H J Farnsworth] 1
#788885 - 08/07/15 05:42 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't trim the leaves.
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CrushNazT
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: Deadkndys420] 1
#788890 - 08/07/15 07:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Deadkndys420 said:
Don't trim the leaves.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: CrushNazT] 1
#788902 - 08/07/15 09:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Deadkndys420 said:
Don't trim the leaves.
Fan leaves are like solar panels, cutting them off is cutting of your plants power source. Bad idea
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: Hawksresurrection] 1
#788918 - 08/08/15 03:23 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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ALL LEAVES MATTER!!!! 
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GoonerHeClips
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: 13buds]
#788922 - 08/08/15 07:06 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Black leaves don't matter" - GS
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H J Farnsworth
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: GoonerHeClips]
#788959 - 08/08/15 04:55 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone I got some laughs outta this thread 5 for you all.
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Mof
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: H J Farnsworth]
#789001 - 08/08/15 11:15 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only fans leaves you should be triming are the ones located before your bud.
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Stoneth
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: Mof] 1
#789005 - 08/08/15 11:49 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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GIdoubleB said:
The only fans leaves you should be triming are the ones located before your bud.
No.
Please avoid posting such misinformation in the future.
Try learning from the seasoned, and trusted cultivators around here instead.
Such as these guys.
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Deadkndys420 said:
Don't trim the leaves.
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CrushNazT said:
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Deadkndys420 said:
Don't trim the leaves.
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Hawksresurrection said:
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CrushNazT said:
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Deadkndys420 said:
Don't trim the leaves.
Fan leaves are like solar panels, cutting them off is cutting of your plants power source. Bad idea
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ALL LEAVES MATTER!!!!
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: Stoneth]
#789027 - 08/09/15 07:52 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to be a defoliator. The plants hated it but chicks dug it...
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captain.koons
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: GoonerHeClips]
#789120 - 08/10/15 12:05 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've experimented with defoliating to increase yield and it works in some cases. Especially in crops where you don't have a high calyx to leaf ratio.
I do it gradually starting with a lower branch prune, then once the canopy has filled in I gradually pluck and tuck fan leaves to allow more light.
Everything green is photosynthetic not just your fan leaves.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: captain.koons]
#789169 - 08/10/15 10:40 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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captain.koons said:
I've experimented with defoliating to increase yield and it works in some cases. Especially in crops where you don't have a high calyx to leaf ratio.
I do it gradually starting with a lower branch prune, then once the canopy has filled in I gradually pluck and tuck fan leaves to allow more light.
Everything green is photosynthetic not just your fan leaves.
Please don't spread mis information, defoliating never increases yield. Period.
Show me the double blind studies and I'll believe you
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oeric mckenna
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#789176 - 08/11/15 12:48 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agreed^
Even when it looks like a big leaf is blocking a bud, its directly supplying growth energy via light to that bud.
If you ever grow outdoors without disturbing them till fall (which I do to avoid making trails to them) you'll notice some major fat juicy buds within dense leaf patches.
As stated, the leaves are how the plant does its thing, and surface area is everything.
Thats how indicas with rock hard, large buds get them that way... with monster wide fan leaves.
Notice the thin wirey leaf to thin wirey bud correlation of certain pure sativas.
Im running a few now...
Edited by oeric mckenna (08/12/15 12:03 AM)
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captain.koons
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: Hawksresurrection] 1
#789178 - 08/11/15 01:42 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I couldn't give half a fuck what you believe.
How would you even conduct a double blind study? Would I not tell the plants they're being defoliated?
Also, if fan leaves supplied energy to bud as effectively as direct light exposure there wouldn't be any popcorn bud.
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: captain.koons] 1
#789243 - 08/11/15 03:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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captain.koons said:
Also, if fan leaves supplied energy to bud as effectively as direct light exposure there wouldn't be any popcorn bud.
its because the LEAVES arent getting the light in the undergrowth not because the buds arent, thats like saying you get smaller apples on the bottom of a tree just because they are on the bottom. 
no need to get so angry, these dudes know there stuffs. 
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captain.koons
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: 13buds]
#789318 - 08/12/15 02:04 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which is solved by removing fan leaves in a continual and strategic manner. I'll keep at it all the same. This method is used by many at a large scale, some go so far as to pick fan leaves daily (in a gradual manner).
I'm so angry, as indicated by my posts. Just absolutely losing my shit. I'm actually going to lose sleep over this.
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oeric, that's an interesting observation however narrow leaves don't mean loose buds, not one bit. It's something that would hold true with landrace sativas but not hybrids. You can have sativa leaves and rock hard buds which is actually very common with most sativa-indica hybrids with any commercial value.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: captain.koons]
#789393 - 08/12/15 06:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are one angry little man. Who is still wrong
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captain.koons
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#789438 - 08/13/15 03:41 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anything but angry or little.
Can you tell me a bit more about how to conduct a double blind study? I'll dedicate my resources to coming to conclusion. Must be double blind, as you requested as that's the only time you will be a believer.
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oeric mckenna
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: captain.koons]
#789444 - 08/13/15 06:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suppose you could take 2 similar sized buds in their young stage and cut the leaves off one....
Ive seen, thru mite attacks and such, that when a top bud begins to lose leaves it will halt development.
Also the correlation between amount of foliage and water uptake. therefore by defailt, nutrient uptake.
It also stresses and can even shock the plant into quitting water uptake entirely.
Seems to be the same way trees work... the leaves convert solar energy for the apples.
The most dense, quickest ripening buds seem to be the ones with monster leaves.
The thinner leaved strains do their thing with an increased amount of their thin leaves.
With a very chunky leafless strain like bubba kush, if you trim the large leaves there'll be nothing left to absorb solar energy
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captain.koons
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Re: To trim the fan leaves or to not trim the fan leaves? [Re: oeric mckenna] 2
#789460 - 08/13/15 10:09 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suppose you could take 2 similar sized buds in their young stage and cut the leaves off one....
I'm not talking about defoliating a 6-8" clone. You would suppose wrong if you think that experiment would prove anything. Why don't we just cut the cotyledons off of a seedling? I'm also going to go out on a limb and assume you don't know what a double blind experiment is.
I'm talking about gradually defoliating a plant that a. possibly has a less than stellar calyx to leaf ratio, ie. it's a leafy plant. b. is part of an incredibly dense canopy that needs thinning. ie. I have a stellar pheno of OG Kush x NL5Hz traditionally grown I would plant around 6 per meter or 9 per 4x4 to achieve a full canopy this is with a 28 day veg flowering time is approx 12-13weeks. The same pheno I've double planted in 5 gal smart pots and squeezed 32 into a 4x4 area I achieve a full canopy with the employment of supercropping so each plant takes up approximately half of the tomato cage. I cut down veg time to ten days (of HID, the clones come in fully rooted and around 6-8") By end of week 2 of flower I have the stubborn branches tied down to the cages. These are GRADUALLY defoliated as the buds grow in this particular phenotype is done in 10 weeks and all the weight is there by week 8 or 9 so I aim to be mostly defoliated before then. I suspect this is more attributed to the phenotype and it's flowering time being extended when it grows a larger root mass rather than defoliating. The overall result is more yield a month sooner. I've tried the same planting density without defoliating and ended up overcrowded so I was forced to do it anyways.
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Seems to be the same way trees work... the leaves convert solar energy for the apples.
That's an interesting observation, however a cannabis plant is largely photosynthetic which is indicated by it's green appearance. A tree is largely non photosynthetic as much of it is outer bark is dead, which leaves the leaves (hehe) as the only significant photosynthetic part of an apple tree.
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The most dense, quickest ripening buds seem to be the ones with monster leaves.
The thinner leaved strains do their thing with an increased amount of their thin leaves.
Indicas ripen quicker than sativas and have large fan leaves. I don't know how this is relevant.
Sativas can ripen as quick as the average indica and veg significantly faster.
Hybrids can veg as quick as a sativa, ripen as fast as an indica, have the calyx to leaf ratio and thin leaves of a sativa, and the density of an indica. Also irrelevant.
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