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FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment

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totally! hey while we're at it, fuck all drugs too!

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FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment

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you sound smart

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RasJeph said:
Come and get em.

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FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment

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drawde said:
There is no basis to make that inference from such a simple comment.

Obviously someone who doesn't respect the principles the nation was founded on is not deserving of it.

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drawde said:

Obviously someone who doesn't respect the principles the nation was founded on is not deserving of it.

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drawde said:
Where does the Constitution say anything about slaves?

Also, the second amendment is about dissent.
The irony here is too much to bear... dissenting that the ultimate means to dissent be abolished.

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Where did I say the constitution mentioned slaves? 


Also the second amendment was created in a time do unlike now that it hardly even applies anymore.  If you think that the guns people own are protecting them, you're blind.  The percentage of shootings or break ins that have been prevented by a law abiding citizen are dismally low. 

You are more likely to get shot by your own gun than you are of preventing anything. 

And this is coming from a gun owner who advocated for much stricter gum control

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FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

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drawde said:
Gee hawks, these sourced data points seem to think differently...

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm

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Yeah, that's not an unbiased source what so ever

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drawde said:
Exactly, gun control has nothing to do with public safety (this has already been beaten to death, no pun intended), and everything to do with the rampant hierarchical dominance structure on this planet exerting control over the masses.

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drawde said:
Gee hawks, these sourced data points seem to think differently...

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm

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Magash said:
Here is the problem. Gun people that are fighting the gun control that use the 2nd amendment are straight up pussies. Just use the one argument that you have cause it's a fair argument.

"I like guns and I don't want to give mine up"

That's it. That's all you got so stop being pussies and use the real argument that you have.

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Bumble_Dick said:
I'm going to get another so I can steal ashfiken's bud/other entheos

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poor boy said:
im down!

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Bumble_Dick said:
I'm going to get another so I can steal ashfiken's bud/other entheos

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Is it a little pink 22?

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FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment

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I can't tell if you're trying to troll or not.

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Not trolling

All those guys who shot up schools and churches got their guns legally

So much needless gun violence in the USA

I say take them all away

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FRACTALife said:
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Not trolling

All those guys who shot up schools and churches got their guns legally

So much needless gun violence in the USA

I say take them all away

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Gun ownership is, and always has been, a political activity.

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Gun ownership is, and always has been, a political activity.

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No it isn't unless you happen to be shooting a politician.

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Bumble_Dick said:
I'm sorry you get scared easily, but I've been around guns my entire life and realize that the real problem is a lack of education and respect for firearms. Getting rid of guns (as if that were a real optuon) isn't going to change anything, bucko.

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Gun ownership is, and always has been, a political activity.

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No it isn't unless you happen to be shooting a politician.

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Sorry, but you do not have a complete understanding of what it means for something to be political.

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and you do? what a joke. Tell us how Cooter shooting varmints in Mississippi is making his political statement. People like you who try and make mountains out of mole hills that is the problem with this country but you're not from here so it doesn't really matter does it since you don't know what your talking about.

Opinions on gun laws here are far more geographical then political here. You live in the South you love guns no matter what party you're with. From the North and you want gun control. The Western and Eastern states are divided as far as which political party your with doesn't seem to matter the people are divided on the issue.

and I sure and hell hope that by political statement just by owning a gun (utter bullshit) that you're telling the government that you're armed and prepared for any kind of take over is also utter bullshit and you can't be going there.

The vast majority of people are pro gun control. The vast majority of big mouths are anti gun control. Example: we here constantly hear how powerful the NRA is and how they can fuck up a politicians chances at getting elected yet there are only 5 million members of the NRA in the United States. See you really can get things done if you bitch enough like they do.

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and you do? what a joke. Tell us how Cooter shooting varmints in Mississippi is making his political statement. People like you who try and make mountains out of mole hills that is the problem with this country but you're not from here so it doesn't really matter does it since you don't know what your talking about.

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The vast majority of people are pro gun control.

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

As we can see from this, the most recent data reveals that the majority, at 52%, are not in favor of stricter gun control, and that the number of people who are has been in decline since 1990.

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A firearm is a political instrument because of how it changes interactions between people.
If you do not understand this I suggest you do some basic study on what the word political means.

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Politics (from Greek: πολιτικός politikos, definition "of, for, or relating to citizens") is the practice and theory of influencing other people. More narrowly, it refers to achieving and exercising positions of governance — organized control over a human community, particularly a state. Furthermore, politics is the study or practice of the distribution of power and resources within a given community (a usually hierarchically organized population) as well as the interrelationship(s) between communities.

A variety of methods are employed in politics, which include promoting or forcing one's own political views among people, negotiation with other political subjects, making laws, and exercising force, including warfare against adversaries. Politics is exercised on a wide range of social levels, from clans and tribes of traditional societies, through modern local governments, companies and institutions up to sovereign states, to the international level.

It is very often said that politics is about power.[1] A political system is a framework which defines acceptable political methods within a given society. History of political thought can be traced back to early antiquity, with seminal works such as Plato's Republic, Aristotle's Politics and the works of Confucius.

Formal Politics refers to the operation of a constitutional system of government and publicly defined institutions and procedures.[1] Political parties, public policy or discussions about war and foreign affairs would fall under the category of Formal Politics.[1] Many people view formal politics as something outside of themselves, but that can still affect their daily lives.[1]

Informal Politics is understood as forming alliances, exercising power and protecting and advancing particular ideas or goals. Generally, this includes anything affecting one's daily life, such as the way an office or household is managed, or how one person or group exercises influence over another.[1] Informal Politics is typically understood as everyday politics, hence the idea that "politics is

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Take your own advise and study what the word means. Cooter buying the gun to kill varmints isn't political statement unless he was trying to get them to vote for him or force his views on them before he shot them.

Just owning a gun is not a political statement or is it a political activity.

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cheezymold said:
Hawaii has really strict gun laws.  Due to this, hardly anybody here owns guns.  Despite being an area with one of the densest populations in the united states, people hardly ever get killed here.  When it does happen, it is a crazy huge deal and they show the same damn incident on the news for weeks after it happens.  Kind of strange that when there are no guns, people aren't getting killed. 

There isn't really a right or wrong solution to the problem though.  Taking away all the legal guns will cause the black market to thrive.  There isn't anything saying that legal gun owners aren't going to kill people, just like the illegal gun owners could do.  Education for guns is a bullshit solution.  You don't go out and shoot people because you haven't been properly educated about guns, you kill people because you are pissed off and you want somebody to die.  Taking away the mandatory waiting period is the dumbest fucking thing ever.  Now anybody that has a fight with their spouse or catches them cheating can go buy a gun while filled with raw emotion from the shock of an event.  This is worse for people under the age of 25, where the brain isn't fully developed and anger causes severe lack in judgement.

What people don't understand about taking away American guns is that gun ownership is that is deters other countries from attacking us.  Now we have people that kill themselves to do damage because they don't stand a chance to survive the attack.  It's one big, never ending cycle.

There does need to be more laws regarding gun control, but I don't think they should be completely taken away.  It's not like owning guns would ever help us if our government turned on us.  An AR15 has no chance against drones, planes, ships, nuclear bombs, ect.  Or are we saying that citizens should be armed well enough to take on our government like our 2nd amendment was intended.  Let's give everybody tactical nukes.  Celebrate your second amendment rights buy buying 2, get one free! 

Maybe if police shifted their budgets to fight against violence and illegal firearms instead of cannabis, we might get somewhere.  Instead, they are just using the easiest means possible to maximize their budgets.  There is a way to fix all of this, but there are too many opinions to get anything productive done on the matter.

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Logic and common sense win out again.

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As far as how many people want stricter gun laws and how many don't I've seen 4 polls and got 4 different answers but here's the thing none of the polls matter because unless you come out and ask us 95% don't give a shit either way. Until we clicked this thread 95% of us here didn't give a shit and as soon as 95% of us post a answer we won't give a shit when we click away. One thing for sure is we don't give a shit enough to get up and vote on it. That's why the NRA gets there way when they only have 5 million members. Thats why everybody bitches about Obama as President but nobody gives that much of a shit. Not enough to go and vote on it. Only 54% of the registered voters voted in the last election.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php

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It's not like owning guns would ever help us if our government turned on us.  An AR15 has no chance against drones, planes, ships, nuclear bombs, ect.  Or are we saying that citizens should be armed well enough to take on our government like our 2nd amendment was intended.  Let's give everybody tactical nukes.  Celebrate your second amendment rights buy buying 2, get one free!

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poor boy said:
Let's all just quietly go back to our 5 word zingers and jokes. Let's be honest... No one actually wants to come here and read, "yada yada yada" 4,000 times.

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Magash said:
Thank you for proving my point with the video. Just owning a gun in the United States is not making a political statement. Owning a gun in England is making a statement but that is cause they are illegal there. They are not here so there is no statement to be made. In fact according to your video in England at one time they we're required to own a gun 2:50 minutes in. In that case not owning a gun would be the political statement would it not?
Now if they are ever made illegal and the owner of the gun decides he's not going to turn it in then owning the gun is making a statement but we are not at that point here in the US so the only statement being made by just buying a fully legal gun is "I like guns" which is no more of a political statement at this point then saying "I like bananas" when you buy fully legal bananas.

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As far as how many people want stricter gun laws and how many don't I've seen 4 polls and got 4 different answers but here's the thing none of the polls matter because unless you come out and ask us 95% don't give a shit either way. Until we clicked this thread 95% of us here didn't give a shit and as soon as 95% of us post a answer we won't give a shit when we click away. One thing for sure is we don't give a shit enough to get up and vote on it. That's why the NRA gets there way when they only have 5 million members. Thats why everybody bitches about Obama as President but nobody gives that much of a shit. Not enough to go and vote on it. Only 54% of the registered voters voted in the last election.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php

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My words were 'Political activity'

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Then maybe it will help you to know what the words mean before you say them. Here I'll help ya.

POLITICAL ACTIVITY
"
“Political activity” is defined as follows:
1) contacting, or urging the public to
contact, members of a legislative body for
the purpose of proposing, supporting or
opposing legislation; or 2) advocating the a
doption or rejection of legislation; or
3) the recruiting, supporting, or hinderi
ng of political candidates.  “Legislative
body” means any civil government or any
agency of government, any decision-
making body within the community or a co
llege or university or school, and the
general public/university/school community
making a decision in a referendum. 
“Public” means the persons in the gene
ral community or any part of it. 
“Legislation” includes any action by Congress, by any state legislature, by any 
local council or governing body, by the public
in a referendum, initiative,       
constitutional amendment, or similar
procedure, by any multi-state or multi-
national or international
body, or by any governing body of
a college or university
or school or a college or university or school
system, including student           
government, except insofar as the legisla
tion of such college or university or
school governing body directly
affects the associated grou
p.  The term “candidate
for public office” means an individual who of
fers himself, or is proposed by   
others, as a contestant for an elective pub
lic or other office, whether such offices
be international, national, state, local, re
gional, or special district, or within the
college or university or school or stude
nt government.  Activities that constitute
participation or intervention in a political
campaign on behalf or in opposition to a
candidate include, but are not limited to adver
tising, or the publication of         
distribution of written or printed statements, or the making of oral statements on
behalf of or in opposition to such a candidate."