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cheezymold said:
Hawaii has really strict gun laws.  Due to this, hardly anybody here owns guns.  Despite being an area with one of the densest populations in the united states, people hardly ever get killed here.  When it does happen, it is a crazy huge deal and they show the same damn incident on the news for weeks after it happens.  Kind of strange that when there are no guns, people aren't getting killed. 

There isn't really a right or wrong solution to the problem though.  Taking away all the legal guns will cause the black market to thrive.  There isn't anything saying that legal gun owners aren't going to kill people, just like the illegal gun owners could do.  Education for guns is a bullshit solution.  You don't go out and shoot people because you haven't been properly educated about guns, you kill people because you are pissed off and you want somebody to die.  Taking away the mandatory waiting period is the dumbest fucking thing ever.  Now anybody that has a fight with their spouse or catches them cheating can go buy a gun while filled with raw emotion from the shock of an event.  This is worse for people under the age of 25, where the brain isn't fully developed and anger causes severe lack in judgement.

What people don't understand about taking away American guns is that gun ownership is that is deters other countries from attacking us.  Now we have people that kill themselves to do damage because they don't stand a chance to survive the attack.  It's one big, never ending cycle.

There does need to be more laws regarding gun control, but I don't think they should be completely taken away.  It's not like owning guns would ever help us if our government turned on us.  An AR15 has no chance against drones, planes, ships, nuclear bombs, ect.  Or are we saying that citizens should be armed well enough to take on our government like our 2nd amendment was intended.  Let's give everybody tactical nukes.  Celebrate your second amendment rights buy buying 2, get one free! 

Maybe if police shifted their budgets to fight against violence and illegal firearms instead of cannabis, we might get somewhere.  Instead, they are just using the easiest means possible to maximize their budgets.  There is a way to fix all of this, but there are too many opinions to get anything productive done on the matter.

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Logic and common sense win out again.

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As far as how many people want stricter gun laws and how many don't I've seen 4 polls and got 4 different answers but here's the thing none of the polls matter because unless you come out and ask us 95% don't give a shit either way. Until we clicked this thread 95% of us here didn't give a shit and as soon as 95% of us post a answer we won't give a shit when we click away. One thing for sure is we don't give a shit enough to get up and vote on it. That's why the NRA gets there way when they only have 5 million members. Thats why everybody bitches about Obama as President but nobody gives that much of a shit. Not enough to go and vote on it. Only 54% of the registered voters voted in the last election.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php

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It's not like owning guns would ever help us if our government turned on us.  An AR15 has no chance against drones, planes, ships, nuclear bombs, ect.  Or are we saying that citizens should be armed well enough to take on our government like our 2nd amendment was intended.  Let's give everybody tactical nukes.  Celebrate your second amendment rights buy buying 2, get one free!

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poor boy said:
Let's all just quietly go back to our 5 word zingers and jokes. Let's be honest... No one actually wants to come here and read, "yada yada yada" 4,000 times.

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Magash said:
Thank you for proving my point with the video. Just owning a gun in the United States is not making a political statement. Owning a gun in England is making a statement but that is cause they are illegal there. They are not here so there is no statement to be made. In fact according to your video in England at one time they we're required to own a gun 2:50 minutes in. In that case not owning a gun would be the political statement would it not?
Now if they are ever made illegal and the owner of the gun decides he's not going to turn it in then owning the gun is making a statement but we are not at that point here in the US so the only statement being made by just buying a fully legal gun is "I like guns" which is no more of a political statement at this point then saying "I like bananas" when you buy fully legal bananas.

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Logic and common sense win out again.

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As far as how many people want stricter gun laws and how many don't I've seen 4 polls and got 4 different answers but here's the thing none of the polls matter because unless you come out and ask us 95% don't give a shit either way. Until we clicked this thread 95% of us here didn't give a shit and as soon as 95% of us post a answer we won't give a shit when we click away. One thing for sure is we don't give a shit enough to get up and vote on it. That's why the NRA gets there way when they only have 5 million members. Thats why everybody bitches about Obama as President but nobody gives that much of a shit. Not enough to go and vote on it. Only 54% of the registered voters voted in the last election.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php

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Can you not differentiate between the two?

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My words were 'Political activity'

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Then maybe it will help you to know what the words mean before you say them. Here I'll help ya.

POLITICAL ACTIVITY
"
“Political activity” is defined as follows:
1) contacting, or urging the public to
contact, members of a legislative body for
the purpose of proposing, supporting or
opposing legislation; or 2) advocating the a
doption or rejection of legislation; or
3) the recruiting, supporting, or hinderi
ng of political candidates.  “Legislative
body” means any civil government or any
agency of government, any decision-
making body within the community or a co
llege or university or school, and the
general public/university/school community
making a decision in a referendum. 
“Public” means the persons in the gene
ral community or any part of it. 
“Legislation” includes any action by Congress, by any state legislature, by any 
local council or governing body, by the public
in a referendum, initiative,       
constitutional amendment, or similar
procedure, by any multi-state or multi-
national or international
body, or by any governing body of
a college or university
or school or a college or university or school
system, including student           
government, except insofar as the legisla
tion of such college or university or
school governing body directly
affects the associated grou
p.  The term “candidate
for public office” means an individual who of
fers himself, or is proposed by   
others, as a contestant for an elective pub
lic or other office, whether such offices
be international, national, state, local, re
gional, or special district, or within the
college or university or school or stude
nt government.  Activities that constitute
participation or intervention in a political
campaign on behalf or in opposition to a
candidate include, but are not limited to adver
tising, or the publication of         
distribution of written or printed statements, or the making of oral statements on
behalf of or in opposition to such a candidate."

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iStoner said:
Also since when did fractal get so violent? He's changed a lot since he started using drugs.

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No doubt.
That MXE or what ever really effected him in the wrong way.

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iStoner said:
Also since when did fractal get so violent? He's changed a lot since he started using drugs.

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No doubt.
That MXE or what ever really effected him in the wrong way.

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drawde said:
A firearm is a political instrument because of how it changes interactions between people.

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