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 oeric mckenna
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 Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem?  [Re: Fert Nitty]
#774567 - 03/31/15 02:33 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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No. what's your water at?
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 Fert Nitty
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#774569 - 03/31/15 02:38 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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soil is at about 6.3
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oeric mckenna
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
#774572 - 03/31/15 03:11 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well...again, are you using nutrients?
Chlorine free water?
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#774576 - 03/31/15 03:23 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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I listed the nutes that I am using. and I am using day old tap water
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Fert Nitty
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
#774577 - 03/31/15 03:25 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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I transitioned from (2-1-6) veg nutes to (5-0-1)- what I am using now.
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
#774587 - 03/31/15 03:54 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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No but it's a good habit
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oeric mckenna
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: H J Farnsworth]
#774597 - 03/31/15 04:55 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Heh^ ?
What's the name of the nutrient you're using that contains no P?
{PHOSPHORUS (P)Slow or stunted growth, red stems. Smaller leaves that are dark green. Lower leaves yellow and die. Add chemical fertilizer containing P. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will apear normal.}
The tops look good still thankfully...
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#774608 - 03/31/15 06:11 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
oeric mckenna said:
I wouldn't. although bottom pruning isn't always so bad....
Yellowed leaves often recover if their cause is corrected
This is not true what so ever.
OP, you should fill out the questionnaire at the top of this forum.
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#774703 - 03/31/15 10:39 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Hawksresurrection said:
Quote:
oeric mckenna said:
I wouldn't. although bottom pruning isn't always so bad....
Yellowed leaves often recover if their cause is corrected
This is not true what so ever.
OP, you should fill out the questionnaire at the top of this forum.
What is not true? I shouldn't leave the leaves? Also,
I read the checklist thoroughly and it is hard for me to tell some of the differences between deficiencies - that is why I was hoping someone with experience would be able to hone in on my specific problem.
my nutes i mentioned
 
how they look
   
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
#774708 - 03/31/15 10:44 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fert Nitty said:
Quote:
Hawksresurrection said:
Quote:
oeric mckenna said:
I wouldn't. although bottom pruning isn't always so bad....
Yellowed leaves often recover if their cause is corrected
This is not true what so ever.
OP, you should fill out the questionnaire at the top of this forum.
What is not true? I shouldn't leave the leaves? Also,
I read the checklist thoroughly and it is hard for me to tell some of the differences between deficiencies - that is why I was hoping someone with experience would be able to hone in on my specific problem.
my nutes i mentioned
how they look
What I quoted isn't true. Damaged leaves do not heal.
At the top of the forum is a questionnaire, that's what I want you to full out. Its not a check list
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oeric mckenna
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#774721 - 03/31/15 11:29 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yellow leaves won't turn green again??
They sure can!
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#774724 - 03/31/15 11:37 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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These new pics tho,
Plants need a flush is all. leaves have the claw shape.
Easily recognized. slightly burned looking tips.
(Nitrogen toxicity)
I'm not saying burned, crunchy leaves will ever recover but yellowing sure as hell can.
I've seen leaves that were really bleached out turn lush green again when flushed & ph corrected
If thats not true, we must be living in alternate realities..
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#774729 - 03/31/15 11:49 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have not seen damaged leaves recover once, in over ten years of growing. Especially leaves that look like his.
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oeric mckenna
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#774730 - 03/31/15 11:56 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Crunchy or brown, no
Yellow or lime green but still fleshy, yes
There are, as you know, also many causes of yellowing, including overlooked things like genetics, and cold temps.
I've been growing for 21 years, but I'm by no means an expert of any kind.
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Edited by oeric mckenna (04/01/15 12:02 AM)
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#774752 - 04/01/15 08:09 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP, I have to say using thick masking tap wrapped around your stem to a stake won't help your plant to grow. Of course pulling it off now wouldn't be a good idea. Also you have foil over the top of your soil that is holding water in where you kind of want evaporation and normal processes.
What is the pH and solids (tds) of your starting water before you add anything?
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: GoonerHeClips]
#774771 - 04/01/15 10:15 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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The stem is not to help growth.when that plant was a baby I dropped a ballast on her - snapped the main stem in half so I had her taped upfor awhile. When I initiated flowering the top of her became wobbly so I attached her to the stake to keep her from leaning heavily . Especially when flowering progresses
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
#774847 - 04/01/15 09:37 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Usually the bottom of the plant is the first to go when the plant cannot sustain itself - it focuses the energy onto the top of the plant receiving the most light. Those damaged leaves never recover, as they were used as nutrient reserves for the rest of the plant.
I'm guessing your bushier plants used their soil nutrients faster and are now deficient.
And your just using the FloraMicro? Those are micro nutrients - not the one's the plant uses in large quantities (macro nutrients). You need FloraBloom as a primary nutrient source if your sticking with that brand.
Getting a potasium-silicate product will help with plant stability. It thickens the cell walls and helps prevent bugs as well because of it. I use Pro-tekt by Dyna Grow, but any brand should work.
You shouldn't prune healthy leaf because the plant transfers the (light) energy to the most important part-- the flower. I'd let the yellow die completely as to get the most of what remains in the dying leaf.
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: phychotron]
#774857 - 04/01/15 11:24 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Really these aren't correct nutrients? That pisses me off because I went into the hydroponics store and explained to them I was just getting started and didn't know much about notes at all. He and other employee said the green one was all I needed for veg and transition into the red for flowering. Fuck.did I ruin my crop?
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
#774859 - 04/01/15 11:57 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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not ruined yet, but you will need the bloom formula.
NEVER trust the hydro store. They hire people off the street to recommend products they've never used and more experienced salesmen will will recommend products you don't need in order to sell more random products.
Before you leave the hydro store ask yourself: "am I buying anything I didn't come here for, and why?"
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
#774860 - 04/02/15 12:32 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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If it will be awhile before you can get the bottle of Bloom, you could give it some of the Grow formula to at least give it something to feed off of.
It won't be the ideal ratio of flower nutrients, but it will be the same nutrients.
Basically, Green/Red in veg, then Pink/Red in bloom. The red/Micro nutrients are still needed, but not the primary food of the plants. Its a 2-part nutrient system because they are incompatible in the same bottle. Other companies might use an A/B labeling system and have you use equal parts of both. Think of the green as Veg part A, pink as Bloom part A and red as part B to both.
and if you really wanted to step up your game you'd get some Kool Bloom (P-K booster)for the week and a half starting around week 5.
The most basic formula for flowering bud is to use a base nutrient and a PK booster mid-flower.
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