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Rockahaus said:
There is a lot to consider. I'm broke, so I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I know I need to if I want good yields though. I'm going to start checking out the Cree lights now.

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Hello everyone. I have grown a couple of times with some T5's,cheap nutes, and miracle grow soil,

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You kept it simple before why not now?

Half the time you see post on youtube showing "this yadda  yadda yadda light out does a 600 watt HPS and then there are a ton of post saying they are full of shit or you find out that the post was put up by the light maker and made to look like a review. (This trick is huge with the LED guys)

I want to see a nice simple LED set up that can do this

Over (well over) 4 lbs in a 4x8 space. I want to see LED's do it. Dense bud even at the bottom.

Hell I'd be even happy to see them do this


I'm not trying to knock LED light but the name of this thread should be How to make setting up a garden a complete pain in the ass.

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phychotron said:
Ignorance is bliss.. I love how HPS growers go around pretending you can't get dense bud with LED.


Lets see some side by sides of an HPS beating LED in THC and terpene production

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lol.....I've seen this exact load of bullshit before and when tested between many strains the results went back and fourth between the types of lights and you know it. You just tried to pull a fast one on me.

I don't want to see grow shop or light company videos 

and any light can grow dense nugs if the plants are short and they must have been cause this guy only got 677 grams from a 1000watt light.

I put up a pic in this post of a plant that had well over 200 grams dry on it and there were 6 under 1 1000 watt light (I've done 8 before). Show me some real growers is what I'm saying.

And you also know that UV light is the big thing with terpene production. The guy should use a bulb that probably wasn't made for street lights and use a grow bulb with a little uv added and going by his yield some added blue light.

Show me some real gardens. Some real growers not bullshit tents in bedrooms. Show me one guy who went to the store bought a LED light went home and had killer production and no problems.

Like I said I think LED is the way of the future and it will be used by everybody but right now it's a expensive clown show. I'm also not saying there isn't killer LED lights out there but going just by what you say over and over and over and over again there few and far between. (I actually base the little I know about these lights on your posts)


and Tron can you answer me a question. (I'm not being a smart ass either)

What is it about those damn LED's that overheats? I thought one of the big selling points is that they don't give off heat. My friend had a panel go out for the 1000th time and he fucking lost it and gave me all this LED stuff I have sitting right here but it's a few years old. I got a bunch (and I mean a bunch) of these UFO's that my fly traps seem to love but these lights that are on panels he says suck cause of heat or something so I've never got around to using those.

Now I have a huge interest in these lights but I go by what I see with my eyes not videos by fuck knows who. I come from a area that well over 75% of the population is growers. The drug stores sell bud trimmers. I've seen a ton of grows go from HID to LED only to go back again. I've also seen LED guys go to HID and they almost never go back to the LED's.

Now Harry was suppose to set me up with some big ole monster wattage LEDs that he works with and was convinced would change my mind but he went and vanished on us.



P.S. Are us two and Stone the only mods now?

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Do any of those UFO's have a finned aluminum heat sink or just a flat shit sheet?

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There finned, and there is something about the light that is suppose to be better then the older ones. My friend is all into LED or he was and these were the only ones he didn't have some kind of problem with.