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 dmtcorey
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 Re: enzyme products  [Re: Mrshroom]
#763035 - 12/23/14 09:05 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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i dont understand what you mean there c koons ,are you saying the warmer the water the less oxygen is available to the plant?
with water the warmer it is the less air can be held in by the water. It like beer if u drink warm beer more of the co2 will come out of the liquid when u open the bottle. but when it its cold the beer can hold and store more co2 and less will escape when u open it up.
what is considered the best temp for maintaining maximum oxygen levels in the solution ?
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 phychotron
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Re: enzyme products [Re: GreenHorns]
#763073 - 12/24/14 01:12 AM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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I ended up buying a gallon of that stuff for $60 + 10 shipping. Seems like it might work well. I'm going to test the two different enzyme products on some excess roots next time I clean out my coco.
dmtcorey, res temps should be ~65F
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Re: enzyme products [Re: phychotron]
#763249 - 12/25/14 12:01 AM (10 years, 7 days ago) |
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Anyone use concentrated pond enzyme products? I was also under the impression that em-1 and bokashi work as enzyme products or something. I'm not entirely sure what the deal is with bokashi or that's even how you spell it.
I have some cannazym but I don't know if it benefits the plant in any way. Advanced nutrients seem like an all around rip off.
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phychotron
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Re: enzyme products [Re: Midgetpawn]
#763509 - 12/27/14 04:35 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Got the Big Time Enzyme today. The stuff smells like orange cleaner, but its got a citrus based surfactant based on a few fruit and coconut oil. I still have some Cannazym left and want to do a side by side comparison of what it does to the roots.
Next time I clear out some coco I'll set an equal weight of dry roots in a solution of each enzyme product for a few days and see what happens. I'm thinking I need to soak them, strain them, dry them and reweigh them for quantitative analysis. I'll be able to do qualitative analysis on the roots both wet and dry to see how they have changed over time. I also need to start with roots of relatively the same length to see if they break down in size. Of course I'll also need to do a control with just plain water. I was thinking of doing a double or triple strength solution to help speed up the reaction, as the test is to see if the products themselves work and not necessarily which is better, but that may reveal itself in the test.
If anyone else thinks of something for the test let me know, it'll be going on in a few weeks. I'll start a new thread about it.
I've seen the test by Canna where they break down paper pulp and apple sauce, but I put neither of those in my root zones.
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GreenHorns
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Re: enzyme products [Re: phychotron]
#763514 - 12/27/14 05:09 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Rad I'd like to hear the outcome.
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Data
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Re: enzyme products [Re: dmtcorey]
#763543 - 12/27/14 10:22 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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dmtcorey said:
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Mrshroom said:
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dmtcorey said:
i dont understand what you mean there c koons ,are you saying the warmer the water the less oxygen is available to the plant?
with water the warmer it is the less air can be held in by the water. It like beer if u drink warm beer more of the co2 will come out of the liquid when u open the bottle. but when it its cold the beer can hold and store more co2 and less will escape when u open it up.
what is considered the best temp for maintaining maximum oxygen levels in the solution ?
THIS
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GoonerHeClips
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Re: enzyme products [Re: phychotron]
#763560 - 12/28/14 07:17 AM (10 years, 3 days ago) |
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phychotron said:
Got the Big Time Enzyme today. The stuff smells like orange cleaner, but its got a citrus based surfactant based on a few fruit and coconut oil. I still have some Cannazym left and want to do a side by side comparison of what it does to the roots.
Next time I clear out some coco I'll set an equal weight of dry roots in a solution of each enzyme product for a few days and see what happens. I'm thinking I need to soak them, strain them, dry them and reweigh them for quantitative analysis. I'll be able to do qualitative analysis on the roots both wet and dry to see how they have changed over time. I also need to start with roots of relatively the same length to see if they break down in size. Of course I'll also need to do a control with just plain water. I was thinking of doing a double or triple strength solution to help speed up the reaction, as the test is to see if the products themselves work and not necessarily which is better, but that may reveal itself in the test.
If anyone else thinks of something for the test let me know, it'll be going on in a few weeks. I'll start a new thread about it.
I've seen the test by Canna where they break down paper pulp and apple sauce, but I put neither of those in my root zones.
Spend more money and try some Hygrozyme along with the other two.
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dmtcorey
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Re: enzyme products [Re: Data]
#763567 - 12/28/14 07:53 AM (10 years, 3 days ago) |
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agmotes165 said:
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dmtcorey said:
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Mrshroom said:
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dmtcorey said:
i dont understand what you mean there c koons ,are you saying the warmer the water the less oxygen is available to the plant?
with water the warmer it is the less air can be held in by the water. It like beer if u drink warm beer more of the co2 will come out of the liquid when u open the bottle. but when it its cold the beer can hold and store more co2 and less will escape when u open it up.
what is considered the best temp for maintaining maximum oxygen levels in the solution ?
THIS
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phychotron
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Spend more money and try some Hygrozyme along with the other two.
As much as I'd like to do a full on product comparison I just don't have the cash to burn on experimentation right now. I just sent Advanced Nutrients an email seeing if they could provide a sample for my experiment. I'm only going to need a couple gallons worth of mixed up solution so buying a product that is $20-40/liter just to use 10-20mL is too expensive of a test. I'm gonna see about emailing other companies that make enzyme products and see if I can get a few samples.
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Mrshroom
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Re: enzyme products [Re: phychotron]
#763678 - 12/29/14 09:34 AM (10 years, 2 days ago) |
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phychotron said:
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GoonerHeClips said:
Spend more money and try some Hygrozyme along with the other two.
As much as I'd like to do a full on product comparison I just don't have the cash to burn on experimentation right now. I just sent Advanced Nutrients an email seeing if they could provide a sample for my experiment. I'm only going to need a couple gallons worth of mixed up solution so buying a product that is $20-40/liter just to use 10-20mL is too expensive of a test. I'm gonna see about emailing other companies that make enzyme products and see if I can get a few samples.
hey let me know if they respond with willing to give u a sample cause i emailed them over a year ago and they just flat out denied me saying that there product sells it self so they have no need send out samples to try to get new customers.
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phychotron
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Re: enzyme products [Re: Mrshroom]
#763711 - 12/29/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 days ago) |
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Ya, sounds like them. They were dicks to me when I was a customer trying to get help with their product.
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Mrshroom
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Re: enzyme products [Re: phychotron]
#763713 - 12/29/14 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 days ago) |
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Ya, sounds like them. They were dicks to me when I was a customer trying to get help with their product.
yah so i ended up just using mb ferts line up and have had great results sense i been using it.and there a hell of alot cheaper
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captain.koons
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Re: enzyme products [Re: Mrshroom]
#763732 - 12/29/14 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 days ago) |
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I asked AN about their Kushie Kush product and WHY it's going to preform well. They said it's proprietary and will grow both indica/afghani kushes and west coast kush. 
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TribalSeed
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Wow.
Big business at it's finest.
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dmtcorey
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Re: enzyme products [Re: TribalSeed] 1
#764046 - 01/01/15 11:45 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya they can take a hike along with the canadian corperite growers to .
they think they can come and steal the work of many generations ,the people who brought this plant forth deserve the living that comes with it ! they continue to destroy familys and jail people that have helped countless folks ,sick fks
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Re: enzyme products/ don't buy from mbferts.com [Re: GreenHorns]
#806531 - 02/22/16 09:55 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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phychotron said:
Please stop spamming the boards, no matter how upset you are.
I left one version of your thread in the link below.
https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/806534#806534
Edited by phychotron (02/23/16 01:20 PM)
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