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How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes
    #761047 - 12/09/14 09:21 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Well if you’re watching your plant it should be fairly easy to tell the damage from pests from that of a deficiency. Damage from pests will usually start with damage to the plant usually in the form of small white spots from the bites to the plant like those caused by mites and thrips. Then there is small black spots that are the bug shit like that from aphids.

Now if your plant gets into a advanced stage of infestation (that’s a big word for me) the deficiencies caused by the bugs can be hard to tell from the damage caused by the bugs. Another thing that people don’t think of is some of the damage can be caused by the plants burning with their normal amount of food esp for the hydro guys that push the limit with the nutrients like myself. What happens is the plant gets sick from the buds and isn’t processing the nutrients as well and gets small burn spots or white tips on the leaves.

I myself don’t bother trying to figure out which specific deficiency the plants have after a bug attack. Once I know the bugs have been taken care of I go with a cure all. I’ll use something like Advanced Nutrients Revive that covers everything then when the plants look better continue with a normal feeding routine. Other method is to flush the medium (esp if using soil) good then continue with a normal feeding routine from there esp if there was no problem before the bug attack.


With my garden sizes I don’t have time to devote to one plant or a few that may have been attacked to I run the cure all  in a way that won’t hurt the plants that didn’t get the attack by the plants but have to be treated cause the are connected by a hydro system or automated watering system.

I never said it was the right way it's just simple and has worked for me for 30 years. :rasta:





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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #761050 - 12/09/14 10:23 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Going to look into this1 thanks for sharing :stayfunky:

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #761068 - 12/09/14 12:38 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #761094 - 12/09/14 02:28 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Mites...
Let us pray for the soals who fell victim.

If crying and prayer won't work, burn your house down with the clothes you're wearing inside it, move to a different house, and grow there...

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #761111 - 12/09/14 04:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Do you spray anything for bug prevention in veg? Thinking of spraying azamax at least once during veg for some protection.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: webster10]
    #761116 - 12/09/14 05:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you spray anything for bug prevention in veg? Thinking of spraying azamax at least once during veg for some protection.




I only spray in veg never in flowering even with organic stuff. I use a product called avid and it's pretty strong stuff.



Expensive as all hell but a small bottle will last the rest of your life no matter how big your garden is.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #761126 - 12/09/14 07:25 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you spray anything for bug prevention in veg? Thinking of spraying azamax at least once during veg for some protection.




I only spray in veg never in flowering even with organic stuff. I use a product called avid and it's pretty strong stuff.



Expensive as all hell but a small bottle will last the rest of your life no matter how big your garden is.

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Avid works great. I will never worry about mites again!

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #761184 - 12/10/14 06:36 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-ounce-Generic-Avid-Miticide-Abamectin-makes-30-gallons-spray-/111539964036?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

Here's a score for you poor folks around...
Active ingredient "abemectin" in avid. Generic 1oz. makes 30 gal.
A steal @ 14 bucks, free shipping...


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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #761185 - 12/10/14 07:03 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-ounce-Generic-Avid-Miticide-Abamectin-makes-30-gallons-spray-/111539964036?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

Here's a score for you poor folks around...
Active ingredient "abemectin" in avid. Generic 1oz. makes 30 gal.
A steal @ 14 bucks, free shipping...





For our uses it's 2.5 mil per gallon so that would make 12 or so gallons. Still a killer price.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #761416 - 12/12/14 03:08 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

You notice any issues with immunity? I knew of growers who in a year's time went from avid to shuttle to judo and those mites kept adapting.


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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GreenHorns]
    #761423 - 12/12/14 04:20 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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You notice any issues with immunity? I knew of growers who in a year's time went from avid to shuttle to judo and those mites kept adapting.




I've never had them bad enough to survive the first application and the next time I got them was years later. I'm really careful about them cause in the 80 and early 90s if you got them you were fucked. I've had them twice in 30 years.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GreenHorns]
    #761425 - 12/12/14 04:24 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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You notice any issues with immunity? I knew of growers who in a year's time went from avid to shuttle to judo and those mites kept adapting.




A new generation of "SuperMitesTM" has mutated that not only can resist most pesticides, but use a couple of them as a food supply after the plants die.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GoonerHeClips]
    #761433 - 12/12/14 07:20 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Well, what they say is:

If the mites came from your house or yard, you'll be ok...

If the mites came from another grower via clone, ect., then you are fucked.


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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #761436 - 12/12/14 09:19 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, what they say is:

If the mites came from your house or yard, you'll be ok...

If the mites came from another grower via clone, ect., then you are fucked.




Pretty much confirms the pesticide resistance of mites from growers using pesticides.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GoonerHeClips]
    #761437 - 12/12/14 10:02 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Remember that mites resistance to a certain pesticide is temporary. Use another one for a while and their resistance to the first pesticide goes away.


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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #761450 - 12/12/14 01:17 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Remember that mites resistance to a certain pesticide is temporary. Use another one for a while and their resistance to the first pesticide goes away.


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:whathesaid:

my dad is an entomologist, pres of state pest control society and teaches at Purdue U, n owns his own pest Co.   

magash is dead on with his statement :super:

I personally use pyrethrins from chrysanthemum plants called CB-80 Extra but thats been since discontinued :hehehe:

works well for fungus gnats also if you have myco projects going :sporedrop:


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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: 13buds]
    #761458 - 12/12/14 01:31 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I personally use pyrethrins from chrysanthemum plants called CB-80 Extra but thats been since discontinued :hehehe:




Amazon is still selling it. :thumbup:

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #761464 - 12/12/14 02:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I ordered "femseedz" sts spray there... man I think you could score a kidney on Amazon


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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #761478 - 12/12/14 04:30 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

dude there the shit!:cuteshit:

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: 13buds]
    #761504 - 12/13/14 05:13 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Predatory nematodes and Stratio-S mites from Beneficial Insectary in Redding CA for your fungal gnat control and other soil pests.  Fungal gnats suck the life out of your roots, and replace it with disease.  Kill 'em All!

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GoonerHeClips]
    #761521 - 12/13/14 08:32 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I have a friend who grows and we worked in the greenhouse at school together (he's more of an acquaintance, and volunteered the information that he gorws, I never confided in him).

Anyways I got sketched out as he was a bit of a hippy/dirt and I was smoking a lot and got paranoid that I might bring home bugs that this guy will one day be bound to have since he's such a dirt, so I took the extra precaution of removing my clothes upon arriving home and taking a shower before going to my garden. I never had any issues at  the garden but he brought to school his super mite infestation. We usually use biological controls and organic drenches to try to keep the mites, aphids, gnats from turning into super bugs.

Anyways these super mites were actually pretty badass and and out grew the regular amount of predatory mites, the next application was double for the given population, and the next application was quadruple. The greenhouse lead/director professor said fuck it and used something akin to avid. Said director of the greenhouse questioned us both and asked if we're around any other greenhouses or indoor plants that might have spidermite infestations and mentioned the use of biological controls. The guy who more than likely introduced the super mites asked for a subscription like purchase for predatory mites, etc and mentioned that he grows in soil which is actually peat in his case.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: captain.koons]
    #761758 - 12/15/14 06:08 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Aha, there truly are supermites, and people that grow in peat are victimized more often than those growing in other media.  Having never had spider mites (knock on wood), I haven't tried the particular predatory mites that kill off the spider mites.  But I would surely try that before spraying anything other than perhaps rosemary oil dilution which seems to work.

The Stratio-S are a soil mite that used to be called Hypoaspis Miles.  They kill stuff on top and a little bit below in the soil.  Don't climb up the plants looking for bugs.  But if you use the predatory nematodes in conjunction with the Stratio-S, it kills not only fungal gnat larvae, but other pest larvae as well.  Disrupting the life cycle by wiping out one stage is pretty effective.  Don't cost much either, and gayronteed not to fuck up your plants like bug spray does.  Note this is limited to bugs that lay the eggs in the dirt if it's under leaves then you need another approach.

For the adult fungal gnats, yellow sticky traps are cheap, effective, and gayronteed not to fuck up your plant unless it gets stuck to the leaves.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GoonerHeClips]
    #761771 - 12/15/14 09:40 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks mag. Yeah those mites in sf area are no joke. Fucking black things with what looks like a shell covering their back. Not yellow clear looking things like the ones I've dealt with in socal. What's the deal with predator mites after the plant is harvested? Won't they leave waste and corpses behind too that can devalue the weed?


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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GreenHorns]
    #761773 - 12/15/14 10:44 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The only shit the good mites leave is the dead bodies of the bad mites.

Then they march out of there in search of more bad mites.  You can hear their little drums if you listen closely in the dark period.

Or something like that.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GreenHorns]
    #761802 - 12/15/14 02:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks mag. Yeah those mites in sf area are no joke. Fucking black things with what looks like a shell covering their back. Not yellow clear looking things like the ones I've dealt with in socal. What's the deal with predator mites after the plant is harvested? Won't they leave waste and corpses behind too that can devalue the weed?




It's not the bodies of the mites that devalue the weed but the damage they do which is much more visible then they are. In fact if they did no damage at all people would go for years before they knew they were there.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #761809 - 12/15/14 03:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

What's the deal with nuking my whole room? The intake has been drawing in some bugs the past day or two but I just fixed that. Should I just spray some azamax over the whole room? Will 4 hours dark be long enough for the spray to evaporate so my plants don't get burned? Can I even spray a pesticide on seedlings?

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: webster10]
    #761813 - 12/15/14 05:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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What's the deal with nuking my whole room? The intake has been drawing in some bugs the past day or two but I just fixed that. Should I just spray some azamax over the whole room? Will 4 hours dark be long enough for the spray to evaporate so my plants don't get burned? Can I even spray a pesticide on seedlings?




Depending on the bug I'd just use a pyrethrin bomb. The stuff that does the killing is made of chrysanthemum flowers. Seedlings should be small enough to handle by hand as far as bug removal.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #762284 - 12/18/14 10:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I have these little white worm things that look like tiny tiny roots(they're the same color and just look similar to roots) and seem to want to live on underground clone stems and roots, I'm not sure if they are good or bad, but will this stuff kill or get rid of them?

add: they seem to start out at the bottom of the soil and almost appear like roots poking out. They are really small

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #762293 - 12/18/14 11:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like you have fungus gnat larvae.


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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #762303 - 12/19/14 05:08 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I have these little white worm things that look like tiny tiny roots(they're the same color and just look similar to roots) and seem to want to live on underground clone stems and roots, I'm not sure if they are good or bad, but will this stuff kill or get rid of them?

add: they seem to start out at the bottom of the soil and almost appear like roots poking out. They are really small




Get yourself some predatory nematodes and some Stratio-S mites.  Beneficial Insectary in Redding CA has good products and prices.  The natural approach in this case WORKS and all other approaches seem to fail.  Fucking fungal gnats are certainly bad, and will fuck up your plants.

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GoonerHeClips]
    #762318 - 12/19/14 08:16 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I bought a voucher from a hydro shop for a company out of los Angeles I think called Orcon. Called them up with the number on the voucher and next day my BN arrived in the mail. Easily enough to cover a few dozen 3 gallon pots worth of infected soil.


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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: GreenHorns]
    #763065 - 12/23/14 11:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think they are fungus gnats though. they actually look more like nematodes. At least I certainly don't have gnats and ive had those little worm things for a while. they are thinner and longer than fungas gnats appear to be and they are all white, long, thin, and they dig into my clone stems. There usually only 1 -3 per stem and usually just 1

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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #763067 - 12/24/14 12:15 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Nematodes can't be seen with the eye. There microscopic and wouldn't attack plants.

Do they look like this?




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Re: How I deal with pest detection vs. diagnosing the resulting deficiency the pest causes [Re: Magash]
    #763068 - 12/24/14 12:34 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I had some small caterpillars in my crop this year. Such a pain to deal with especially in late flowering. I had to just kill as many as I could. Next year I plan on spraying some organic pesticide before flowering in hopes to deter caterpillars.


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    #763089 - 12/24/14 09:12 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Safer caterpillar killer worked great for my outdoor. And didn't seem to react weird when mixed with stuff.


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