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Either way, Magash seems like a seed god, so I'm not surprised his turned out great.

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Thank you the comment is appreciated. I wish it was true I really really really do. There is no magic to what I'm doing its work that all the other breeders know how to do but most don't cause they would rather give F1s and let you figure out which pheno you want. I just feel that people probably want seeds that do what the package says they will do and to put it simply that is to do the work and stabilize them.

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Either way, Magash seems like a seed god, so I'm not surprised his turned out great.

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Thank you the comment is appreciated. I wish it was true I really really really do. There is no magic to what I'm doing its work that all the other breeders know how to do but most don't cause they would rather give F1s and let you figure out which pheno you want. I just feel that people probably want seeds that do what the package says they will do and to put it simply that is to do the work and stabilize them.

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Way better than your other nickname, huh?

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and she's still using that damn name. To the point that I turn my head and look when she calls me by it now.

Damn Women

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Way better than your other nickname, huh?

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and she's still using that damn name. To the point that I turn my head and look when she calls me by it now.

Damn Women

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budgrowerwannabe said:
At least we all know y there fucked! But what and when are they going to do about it? Im just saying what if I paid all kinds of money for those and get jacked around.  It just makes there company look bad is all and then everyone orders from some were else. Just saying.



Thanks for the post Mag.

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There is only one reason that companies suck on their customer service and that is they know they had a bad product to begin with. I do know one thing, if I see a post that is even questionable about my seeds that person doesn't have to get a hold of me I'll usually send a pm as soon as I see it. To each their own I guess. Everybody may be waiting on vision to make new seeds.

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Well posting again about vision seed bank.  So from what im getting from a source is that Vision seeds is having trouble with the  mail ? So they say?

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Everybody may be waiting on vision to make new seeds.

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I'm just saying what if I paid all kinds of money for those and get jacked around.

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Hi Budgrowerwannabe,

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I'm just saying what if I paid all kinds of money for those and get jacked around.

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What if and if so belongs in the Ancient Aliens series so Vision Seeds is not jacking anyone around. In an earlier post in this same thread I apologized for the inconvenience of bad the ChocoLoco seeds getting into circulation, in that same post I explain that anyone who has paid all kinds of money for disappointing ChocoLoco's can send Vision Seeds an email with the purchase info and seeds will be replaced right away.

For all of you who received seeds through the Forum, kind enough to put time and effort into reporting on the ChocoLoco (which turned into a fiasco due to the bad batch) and are still waiting for replacement.. I ask for a little more patience, the first package that was send out is indeed missing (Royal Mail Aliens), more are on their way though and should be ready for distribution very soon.

What makes a company look bad is the insinuation that they are non- responsive to issues, do not take care of their customers or care about quality. Vision Seeds works with a very small dedicated team, we reply to all questions that we receive and resolve all issues as long as they are within reason. It is however impossible for us to monitor the complete web and all forums. Hope that is understandable.

That's why we appreciate forum admins like Sherry and Steve who let us know if there is trouble in CannaParadise.

We test all our batches - what went wrong with this one - I have no clue and as long as we are not experiencing anything out of the ordinary during tests we presume all is in order which has been the case with all our strains since Vision Seeds is on the market.

Best regards and hope you have a nice weekend.

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ye pm me it anyway! is it only your good self from the growery that has to get these? i cant see anyone else on the threads or pms?

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Well they did something wrong. Dont think  DNA would put things out like this?

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I could understand having a batch of fems go hermie but not having seeds sprout.

No I all breeders should have the brains pull a few seeds from each batch and to moisten some towels and let the tap root grow a little. Tap root grows plant grows. Every breeder should do this with every batch it only takes a few days.

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Well they did something wrong. Dont think  DNA would put things out like this?

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I could understand having a batch of fems go hermie but not having seeds sprout.

No I all breeders should have the brains pull a few seeds from each batch and to moisten some towels and let the tap root grow a little. Tap root grows plant grows. Every breeder should do this with every batch it only takes a few days.

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  Well that just means that they were in to big of a hurry to get paid.Didnt think this was going to happen
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I want to see what they have to say about your accusations Mag?

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They can say what they want but one of two things is going on. They are either just making feminized versions of others work or naming the strains the same as others strains in order to mislead people into buying them.

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I want to see what they have to say about your accusations Mag?

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They can say what they want but one of two things is going on. They are either just making feminized versions of others work or naming the strains the same as others strains in order to mislead people into buying them.

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13buds said:
when I shop for seeds I chose a "seed store" by their exclusive strains not by the list of strain names they have available.  that whole copying of strain names turns me away from a store for that exact reason.. copies. 

now when I first started this hobby it was like trading cards, had to have'em all, but Ive since learned about quality genetics so now I look into lineage b4 making decisions. 



quality over quantity

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when I shop for seeds I chose a "seed store" by their exclusive strains not by the list of strain names they have available.  that whole copying of strain names turns me away from a store for that exact reason.. copies. 

now when I first started this hobby it was like trading cards, had to have'em all, but Ive since learned about quality genetics so now I look into lineage b4 making decisions. 



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That's a smart plan - unfortunately, many people don't take the time to do that (which amazes me considering how expensive most seeds are).

~~sherry

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Any smart person does there research before buying any seeds. To tell you the truth, I research almost everything I buy.
Thats just me.

I tend to go off what other people have grown. Logs and such. Youtube is fucking crazy. I can throw out a few guys I watch.

And If I was a knew member and searches vision seeds in this search engine . This thread would pop up.
If I was planning to order from them ,then read all this ! It would change alot of new growers mines .


Just saying! 

I love you Sherry your going to be my wife and dont even know it!!







can you love this face?                  lol Peace Budgrower

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when I shop for seeds I chose a "seed store" by their exclusive strains not by the list of strain names they have available.  that whole copying of strain names turns me away from a store for that exact reason.. copies. 

now when I first started this hobby it was like trading cards, had to have'em all, but Ive since learned about quality genetics so now I look into lineage b4 making decisions. 



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That's a smart plan - unfortunately, many people don't take the time to do that (which amazes me considering how expensive most seeds are).

~~sherry

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Any smart person does there research before buying any seeds. To tell you the truth, I research almost everything I buy.
Thats just me.

I tend to go off what other people have grown. Logs and such. Youtube is fucking crazy. I can throw out a few guys I watch.

And If I was a knew member and searches vision seeds in this search engine . This thread would pop up.
If I was planning to order from them ,then read all this ! It would change alot of new growers mines .


Just saying! 

I love you Sherry your going to be my wife and dont even know it!!







can you love this face?                  lol Peace Budgrower

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  just stay away from Mr. Pickles then, talk about F'd cartoons

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Vision is open about buying their seeds from other Dutch companies & rebranding (they don't do their own breeding) - they just don't say who because I would assume that if they're known brands, they wouldn't want people to see that they can get them for cheaper under another label.

A lot of companies do this - just like a lot of generic & store-brand products are made by their name-brand counterparts & only labeled differently.

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For all we know, Vision's Jack Herer could be from Sensi. However, in all fairness, everyone in the seed trade seems to copy from everyone else - whether they grow out their actual stock & create seeds from it, try to duplicate the same mix or create a completely new strain & use the same name. Everyone seems to have a White Widow, a Blueberry, an OG Kush, a Jack Herer, etc

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Jack Herer is a little different because it involves someone's name & reputation, but if it sells, people are going to copy it. Again, not saying it's right or wrong, it's just what happens with everything. I even find people copying my online material. Drives me a little crazy, but I generally get over it.

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Speaking for the Jack Herer description specifically, if you're reading material from our website, I either rewrite these from the breeder descriptions or have it rewritten by another writer. We do this so that it's unique for the search engines & a little more fun to read than what most breeders put up. We always go by the breeder descriptions, but if it's a little bare, we'll add additional content that's generic to a well-known strain - like Cup wins - or take information from logs/reviews.

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So the part about AK-49 being better than AK-47 or Jack Herer winning 11 Cups, that's probably my bad - so blame me for that part. It's kind of hard to stretch 1 or 2 sentences & a small list of stats into a whole page at times.

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So explain to me how you know that AK-49 is better then AK-47 when the company that makes it as you have already said has no breeders? This sounds like more then stretching 2 sentences. I'm so pissed I can't see straight and better go before I type something I regret.

It's kind of my job to have the backs of the members of this site and nobody can say I don't take it seriously. We may not be big but when it comes to information about growing and stuff related to it I Would like us to be one of the best and not a ICMag clown show.

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And it was sort of a joke because they went from AK-47 to AK-49 - two more must be better, right?

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I'll add one more comment for Vision Seeds.

The breeders don't give me anything extra to say nice things about them

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You already know how serious I take the growing thing way more then I should. This strain name thing is one of my biggest piss offs. This name thing is the reason the clubs are full of mislabeled buds for sale. Clones that aren't what they claim to be. New growers all excited to grow what they think is their favorite strain only to be let down at harvest.

You'll be happy to know that my fiancee gave me one of my presents early so I could have it while some of the football season is here. A football jersey of my favorite team with that name you two love so much on the back.

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You already know how serious I take the growing thing way more then I should. This strain name thing is one of my biggest piss offs. This name thing is the reason the clubs are full of mislabeled buds for sale. Clones that aren't what they claim to be. New growers all excited to grow what they think is their favorite strain only to be let down at harvest.

You'll be happy to know that my fiancee gave me one of my presents early so I could have it while some of the football season is here. A football jersey of my favorite team with that name you two love so much on the back.

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budgrowerwannabe said:
Hey sherry  I dont have anything against you or gorilla! I think you do a service by getting people seeds!

You know when I posted this I was just saying they were bad seeds. Turns out im not the only one. And I won them in a fun ass comp.  I didnt think I was going to stir a hornets nest!

This is how I look at it. You guys hooked me up. and Im grateful dont think Im not.

Im going to grow out these and make them killer!




Thanks Budgrower

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Magash said:
I won't tell ya the team colors cause you're gonna figure it out easily.

There close to the 49ers and they suck so bad it's beyond comprehension. So hard to be a fan of theirs sooooooo hard. Least my 9ers friends can't say shit cause some fucking how we managed to beat them. Weeeee Suuuuuuck. Told ya it'd be easy.

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I lived on the 9ers side of the bay for a long time. Everybody loved em so of course I had to hate em. I don't hate em  now I'm a bay area football fan but it's funny how the 9ers have a qb that sucks and the only thing good about the raiders is the qb.

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I think I'd really, really like your fiance.

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