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 Grow room from scratch 
#750103 - 09/27/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey everyone, as the title suggests, I'd like to set up a grow space.
The available space is 6'W x 5'L x 7'H. Note that the floor wall and cieling of this space is plywood. These is a already a mesh filter of some sorts I'm guessing for air exchange. *note that this space is a small trailer next to my house
I am virtually clueless when it comes to everything that goes into a successfully incognito grow room.
What I'd like to do:
-Hydroponics(Thinking about this ebb and flow https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=70262)(I'm going to install a regular overflow valve instead of doing his method of draining the flood table.)
-Have space for a decent amount of clones(5-10) Have space for a few mothers (1-4) and a decent sized flowering space.
-Use no more than ~600 or so watts for the entire space.
Okay so, those are goals I want to achieve with this space. Now making it happen is the hard part.
I have a ton of questions and will ask them all. Answer any of them that you can and personal tips are always a big help as well.
1. Should I use plywood, insulation board, a tent of some sorts or what when building a divider between the 3 areas (veg/clone/flower)?
2. What am I going to have to do to make this area 100% smell proof? (*Note that mesh screen thing that provides FAE)
3. Living in an area with high humidity, will I have to add a dehumidifier?
4. Me living in a hot area, and the trailer being a dark color, will I have to buy a water chiller for my res or add AC to do space?
Those are all of the questions I have for right now. Now here is a list I've been compiling of everything I'm going to need to buy.
(For the ebb and flow table itself):
8 1/2 adapters
8 elbow with side outlet
130-170 gph sub. pump
Black 1/2 ID Tubing
3 1/2 barbs
4 4ft 1/2 pvc tubing
1 tub from concrete section of lowes (the smaller one)
super glue
Duct tape
10 Gallon rubber maid res.
For the room:
Mylar
Material to divide up the space into 3.
Rockwool
Hydroton
4" net pots
Lights(thinking of doing a 150W mh for the mothers, 400w hps flower and 50w t5 for clones)
Hygrometer
Thermometer
Ventilation material(idk what to do for this)
Now everyone, thank you very much for the input. Everything and anything is appreciated. Anything you have to add, suggest or recommend is appreciated. I'm very new at this and willing to learn so please, by all means, bombard me with as much information as possible.
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 Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750164 - 09/28/14 01:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plywood, plastic liner, saw horses, dixie cups, lava rock.
   
Then there is this setup
     
     
 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750166 - 09/28/14 05:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, amazing design. So simple yet so complex at the same time.
After everything is built, what are plant sites filled with? I think that you use lavarock, but would hydroton be possible?Since it's like half a 2 liter worth of root space, I imagine this setup is designed for a small plant SoG?
Awesome setup though and I'd definitely use this for my flowering space. I guess SoG it is 
Now do you have any good setups like this for a mother room and a cloning space?
What goes into setting up the lights? (100W mh for mothers, 50W t5 for clones, 400w hps for flower)
Is the amount of light I'm thinking of using even enough for supporting the amount of plants I want?
How am I going to cool all of these lights?
Will I have to introduce AC to the environment?
What I'm thinking of doing for ventilation is installing a vortex fan around that mesh screen thing for air intake into the trailer, setting a carbon filter in the middle of the grow room and installing a vortex fan on top of it pulling air into the carbon filter. With this plan will I need a space for exhaust?
Sorry the amount of questions. I just want to get this show on the road.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750167 - 09/28/14 05:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also for that design, should I spray paint the bottles black or something so I won't get algae growth in the root zone?
How large is that res at the bottom?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750189 - 09/28/14 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here are some pictures of the space I have. Exactly 69"W x 72"L x 73"H
For the clone area:
Thinking of basically doing an SGFC with the cuttings inside in rockwool with a 54W t5. Could I support 11 clones with 54 watts?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750202 - 09/28/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that you use lavarock, but would hydroton be possible?
yes
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2 liter worth of root space, I imagine this setup is designed for a small plant SoG?
Yup, I'd limit plant size to 2 feet or so.
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Now do you have any good setups like this for a mother room and a cloning space?
The size and setup of the vegging space depends on how the flowering space is setup. That determines how many mothers you need and how many cuttings you need to take and how often.
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What goes into setting up the lights? (100W mh for mothers, 50W t5 for clones, 400w hps for flower)
Ya hang em and you turn em on. What do you mean what goes into setting them up?
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Is the amount of light I'm thinking of using even enough for supporting the amount of plants I want?
It can work as long as you want small mothers.
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How am I going to cool all of these lights?
Will I have to introduce AC to the environment?
The typical air cool lights will work and a exhaust fan with a area for air to get in. Filter the incoming air with a screen to catch bugs.
The ac question depends on the area you live in. I'm not sure how hot it gets way down south but I'm sure it gets humid and a ac serves two perposes. Removes heat and removes humidity.
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What I'm thinking of doing for ventilation is installing a vortex fan around that mesh screen thing for air intake into the trailer, setting a carbon filter in the middle of the grow room and installing a vortex fan on top of it pulling air into the carbon filter. With this plan will I need a space for exhaust?
I do it like this. I have the fans connected to the lights. They draw air into the lights and out of the room. Openings in the bottom of the tents (in your case plywood floors) let the air in. You want the air to enter from more then one place or move the air in the room around real good or there will be humid spots and places with low exchange.
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Also for that design, should I spray paint the bottles black or something so I won't get algae growth in the root zone?
You could. I'd wrap em in foil so they could be checked. That would be a pretty cool advantage over most.
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How large is that res at the bottom?
I like em to hold at least twice the amount needed to flood the area.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750203 - 09/28/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well when buying lights, I know I need a ballast, a hood and a bulb, is there anything else I need?
I'm thinking of going with these ballasts and bulbs and increasing my mh wattage to 175.
MH Ballast: https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/89417/PLUSRITE-7210.html
MH Bulb: https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/5040/MH-01751P.html
Hps Bulb: https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/4982/LU0400-0002.html
HPS ballast: https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/71058/PLUSRITE-7276.html
And any recommendations on what brand of hood should I use?
I'm going to need to be taking 11 cuttings every 8-10 weeks, preferably of like 3 or 4 different strains.
How with holes in the bottom of the trailer would it remain smell proof? Also, what kind of fan do you use to draw fresh, cool air through? I'm looking at vortex fans and they're like $100+ which is a bit ridiculous.
About ventilation: If I'm getting this right, you're saying that I should use one of those FAE sites on the trailer, pull in air through that(it already has a screen for bugs), and duct that air up to the lights to the HPS to cool it off. Then I'm going to duct it through the wall up to the MH and through the wall diving the trailer into 2(not the same wall dividing the veg and flower room) into the remaining space I have not used for any growing. I will just set a carbon filter and an inline fan in this space so that any air that passively drifts out of the other built in FAE site won't smell.
About actual construction: I'm going to set the flowering side up next to one of the ventilation holes already in the trailer so I can draw the air directly to the hps which I assume will be the hottest. Then I will build 2 walls, enclosing this space(one wall parallel to the already existing trailer wall that has the FAE site that will divide flower and veg room. And another wall perpendicular to the divider wall and already existing wall all the way across to the other side of the trailer that will enclose both rooms to the other side of the trailer that I use for storage). On the other side of the divider wall, goes my 175 watt MH and the mothers. Can I stick my SGFC clone box right in with the moms(I'll be using an 85watt CFL 5000k for clones) and keep them on the same light schedule?
Mag I really want to thank you for all this information. This project could not be possible without you
Edited by webster10 (09/28/14 07:22 PM)
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750218 - 09/28/14 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those ballasts are gonna run hot as hell.
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And any recommendations on what brand of hood should I use?
I can't tell ya. I'm not up on what's out there. I've been using the same sun system hoods for the last 10 years. (Actually closer to 15)
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How with holes in the bottom of the trailer would it remain smell proof?
With the fans on air should be going into the grow space not out.
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you're saying that I should use one of those FAE sites on the trailer, pull in air through that(it already has a screen for bugs), and duct that air up to the lights to cool them off.
Use one that exists or make your own.
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I also need a space where I will pull air out and install a carbon filter at this exhaust site?
Install it anyplace you want as long as the air goes threw it before leaving the grow space.
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Also how would I pull the air through to both the mh and hps if there is a wall dividing them?
Can't help ya there I use a fan for each space. Actually I have a fan for each light.
 
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Can I stick my SGFC clone box right in with the moms(I'll be using an 85watt CFL 5000k for clones) and keep them on the same light schedule?
Yup
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Mag I really want to thank you for all this information. This project could not be possible without you
Thanks for the comment. Just doing my job. 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750272 - 09/29/14 04:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will I have to use AC for the ballasts? Or can I stick a desk fan next to each of them to keep the heat at bay?
Buying some of the shit today and ordering a lot of it this week. I cannot wait for this to get going.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750277 - 09/29/14 07:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will I have to use AC for the ballasts? Or can I stick a desk fan next to each of them to keep the heat at bay?
Buying some of the shit today and ordering a lot of it this week. I cannot wait for this to get going.
Your wattages are way low compared to what I'm use to so I'm pretty sure that a fan will do.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750308 - 09/29/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hell yeah! Awesome news
So any is there any particular set up you'd recommend for mothers? Maybe handwatering coir?  It will have to sustain 11 clones every 8 or so weeks.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750354 - 09/29/14 06:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Got some more stuff for you to look at. I drew up a diagram of how in my mind this thing is going to be built.
Also here is a list of supplies I'll be buying.
• AcuRite Indoor Humidity Monitor…….$10.00
• Hydroton 10 pounds…….$21.14
• Grodan 1.5” Rockwool (98 cubes)…….$15.77
• Plusrite 2010 LU400 400W HPS Bulb 2000k....$9.33
• Plusrite 400W HPS Ballast….$50.56
• Plusrite 150W MH 4200k Mogul Base…..$10.05
• PLT150W MH Ballast….$42.42
• GCP 85W CFL 5000k…..$18.03
• (2) Titan Controls Analog Timer 120V….$19.88
• (2) Titan Controls Analog Timer 240V….$29.26
• (2) UltraGrow air cooled 6 inch hood…..$120.38
• Garden Safe rooting hormone…..$7.98
• VenTech 6” Ducting 25 feet…..$17.75
• Reflective Mylar (48” x 50’)…..$27.85
• VenTech 4” Inline fan + Carbon Filter……$96.95
• Coco Coir Kempf 5KG……$15.21
• (2) Honeywell TurboForce Fan……..$15.99
• Ona Pro Gel 1 quart……$20.55
• (3) Cooler Master Rifle Bearing 80mm fan…..$22.50
• EcoPlus 185 submersible pump 185gph….$14.55
And of course, some questions 
1. Will the pump (185gph) be strong enough to push the water all the way through?
2. Can I set up the ballasts in the same space that I'm growing in?
3. If there is anything that'd make this set up better or any tips you'd like to throw in, go ahead. 
About to go out and start gathering up everything on the list soon. Should be beginning to build this weekend.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750362 - 09/29/14 08:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think computer fans will work or they would be used all the time. What about the air in the room. I don't see anyway to exhaust the air in the room and your gonna have to do that several times a day or you're gonna be growing mold not plants. Remember those ballasts you have chosen to use are gonna run about 3 times as hot as their digital counterparts. Plus from what I can see they have no outer casing so there is a upcoming disaster there. Plus exposure to dirt and dust.
Also, I think the 400watt can handle the heat from the 150 rather then the 150 having to handle the heat from the 400 so I'd change the airflow. Your gonna heat up the vent hose and it's gonna radiate heat. Switch the air flow and the heat from the hottest part of the setup has a shorter journey out of the grow space. ( I've been at this a while huh.... )
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1. Will the pump (185gph) be strong enough to push the water all the way through?
I'd go with the Maxi jet 600 but that pump should work.
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Can I set up the ballasts in the same space that I'm growing in?
Not with the setup in the drawing.
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If there is anything that'd make this set up better or any tips you'd like to throw in, go ahead.
Already did.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750390 - 09/30/14 04:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. What fans should I use instead of the computer fans?
2. To the right of the 150w bulb I drew in a computer fan pulling air out(the edge of the page is the wall of the trailer). Like you said, I can't use a computer fan. So would a normal fan up there pulling air out not be enough exhaust?
3. For the ballasts, should I just invest in some digital ballasts and be able to run them inside the room? Or could I build a buffer room between the empty space in the trailer and the front of the grow space and put the ballasts in there?
4. And I'll just switch up the whole thing and flip flop the veg/flower space so the 150w heat will be blowing onto the 400w
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750428 - 09/30/14 11:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or could I build a buffer room between the empty space in the trailer and the front of the grow space and put the ballasts in there?
Now your talking.
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And I'll just switch up the whole thing and flip flop the veg/flower space so the 150w heat will be blowing onto the 400w
It's not a big thing but it will help a little and remember it's the growers that do everything including the little things that get the results.
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So would a normal fan up there pulling air out not be enough exhaust?
You know you can get a squirrel cage fan for a decent price and they move a pretty good amount of air.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750487 - 09/30/14 03:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. Would exhausting into the buffer room be possible? What I mean is that I'm going to intake air from outside, vent it through the veg and flower spaces and into the buffer room. I guess I'll install a hole in the wall of the buffer room(with a screen) exposing it to the open area of the rest of the trailer. And then when in this space could passively drift out the 2nd FAE site my trailer has? Doing this, I'd just put the carbon filter + inline fan inside the buffer room. So the smelly, humid air I vent out from the grow space will go through the carbon filter in this room and then can just passively drift out.
2. Sound advice
3. How about this for a fan?
http://www.amazon.com/VenTech-DF6-Duct-Fan-240/dp/B005KMTYFK/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1412110830&sr=8-15&keywords=centrifugal+fan
4. How many of those fans will I need to pull air in from outside and push it into the buffer room with that plan I described earlier?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750489 - 09/30/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well depends on the size of the fan but it will only take one.
This fan is way bigger then what you need but the mounting is the same. These fan can be found at most home depots and such for a fairly cheap price. I used one of these for my first grow room which was 30ft long 22 ft wide and 8ft high.
One can pull air threw the lights and one can empty the space. Mount one on the wall blowing into the buffer room.
They will also move air more efficiently then the inline fan in the link.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750510 - 09/30/14 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm looking for fans like that on homedepot.com but not seeing any. Also the cheapest centrifugal(squirrel cage) fan they have is over $100+
Do you think I'll be able to get by with the inline in that link?
I'm thinking I should just replace the circled areas in this pic and put one of the inlines I linked in each of these locations. Pretend that the right edge of the paper is the wall in between the flower and buffer room(in reality the buffer room will be in front of the flower room not beside it). I will pull in air with the first fan and continue pulling it through with the second and also pushing it into the buffer room with the second where my carbon filter will take care of all of the smell. Now this non-smelly air can passively drift out through the screened hole in the wall of the buffer room into the empty space and out of the 2nd FAE site.
Thoughts or concerns?
EDIT: I'll try to draw up another updated draft of the diagram tomorrow.
Edited by webster10 (09/30/14 06:20 PM)
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750512 - 09/30/14 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I think that fan will work.
Your ideas with the fans should work. Now as far as filters go I don't use them so I can't really advise on them.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750515 - 09/30/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So awesome to hear that!
Picked up the PVC for the flowering room today.
This project is coming along nicely 
Cannot wait for this thing to be up an rolling.
You have seriously been a huge help with this whole thing.
Having an expert grower answer any question I have is an awesome resource 
Have a great night magash I'll post the updated diagram tomorrow.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750517 - 09/30/14 07:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah...I wish I had a grower helping me when I was starting. Well for that matter I wish they had the internet when I was starting.
 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750629 - 10/01/14 03:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey Magash, I drew up what I think will be the final draft of the space.
View of flower and veg room facing north:
View of the rest of the exhaust plan facing east:
It looks kind of weird and hard to understand when drawn so I'll explain it to you.
I'm pulling in air through the eastern wall into the veg room and then into the flower room. I'll only have one fan in the air ducts and it will be placed in between both lights so it can pull air onto the first light and push light onto the second light. (My only concern with this is if the fan isn't strong enough to pull in air from that far away.)
The air, now having been pushed into the flower room, will be exhausted by another fan that is mounted to the southern wall that is pulling air out of the flower room and pushing it into the buffer room. I didn't duct the second fan to the light because I want it to pull air through the room to give the flowering plants some FAE before it's sucked into the buffer room.
Then as you can see, the ballasts will get some air from the exhaust and then it will be sucked up by the carbon filter. I'll also be putting a dish of ona gel in each room for extra smell prevention.
Thoughts? Concerns?
Edited by webster10 (10/01/14 03:48 PM)
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750639 - 10/01/14 04:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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In the veg area if there is enough light to grow the vegging plant then there is enough light to root the clones. You may not need the 85watt light.
3 plants under a 150 better keep them small.
This version looks pretty good. I would ad some fans to stir the air around in the rooms.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750652 - 10/01/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Finally got it
I'll add some fans inside the rooms
Now that I have all the plans layed out, I've gotta order everything and put it all together.
I'll keep you posted
EDIT: yeah im also ditching the 85W CLF and the timer for it. Gotta save $
Edited by webster10 (10/01/14 05:14 PM)
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750784 - 10/02/14 06:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would I have to vent air up to the lights if I decide to run LEDs?
Or could I just set the 1st fan on the ground right next to the first FAE site, get rid of the venting completely and have the 2nd fan remain in the same location?
I'd be getting rid of vents and moving the first fan to the circled area to pull in air
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#750793 - 10/02/14 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You want to cut corners and bring in LEDs already. Sorry man I thought you were serious about this.
I'm out.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750823 - 10/03/14 04:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LEDs is cutting corners? I was under the impression they were better 
So that's basically a hell fucking no to LED's?
It's not completely my choice but I'll do everything I can to sway the decision to the typical MH/HPS.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750842 - 10/03/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nah, remember most those videos of LED lights are put on youtube by the makers. They are the way of the future and everybody is going to be using them but there just not there yet.
I'm not one of those "my way is the best way" growers. I'll steal a idea like Lamont Washington in a jewelery store if it's better then what I'm doing. A good place to steal ideas from is NASA. They are always testing shit out for feeding astronauts in long travel. They try to get the most out of the least amount of power and they still are using the MH/HPS combo. They also tell the nutrients they use and crap. Last I saw they were using the General Hydroponics 3 part nutrient (something I'd never suggest a new grower use) and some other interesting crap.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750930 - 10/03/14 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the advice for the lighting. I'm reducing my flower plant count from 11 to 7. I made up for this in the PVC system by replacing the four outer tees with elbows and eliminating the outer corners used as 4 extra plant sites. I'm thinking it should work exactly the same.
I know your general rule of thumb is you want a res to be at least 2x the amount of water needed to flood. I however have no idea how I would calculate this number But would you say maybe 15 gallons be good?
Also since I'll be using the 324W 30,000lumen t5 instead of the MH, it will have a self contained ballast so the buffer room will only consist of the carbon filter and the HPS ballast. I'm thinking I'm going to soundproof the buffer room.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750991 - 10/04/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah 15 gallons should be good.
Sound proofing the room is always a good idea. The safer the better.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750999 - 10/04/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Got a 27 gallon instead, it looked sturdy and was a good size to set the PVC thing on top of. I sealed the PVC together and have ordered some items but I still need to order a lot more.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#751007 - 10/04/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Will these rocks (river pebbles)
Work instead of using hydroton?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#751050 - 10/04/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Will these rocks (river pebbles)
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-0-5-cu-ft-River-Pebbles-54250V/100558618
Work instead of using hydroton?
No, but I know something that will work just as well as hydroton and is only 5 bucks a bag.
This grow is from when I was poor and you had to drive a hundred miles to get to a hydro store. The cups are filled with lava rock. The red and black stuff used in front yards. (I use to buy both and mix em cause it looked cool). The stuff is heavier then hydroton and needs to be rinsed really well but it works just as well and is one hell of a lot cheaper.
In fact they didn't have these at the time and I would have been all over them
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Margo-Garden-Products-20-lb-Black-Lava-Pebbles-NL20-1030/204984692
this is what I used
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-0-5-cu-ft-Canyon-Red-Rock-100032407/100599778
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#751053 - 10/04/14 05:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sweet I'll go pick that up sometime in the near future
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#751711 - 10/08/14 10:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Watering schedule for that PVC f&d setup?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752226 - 10/11/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Watering schedule for that PVC f&d setup?
BUMP
Bought these http://www.homedepot.com/p/Margo-Garden-Products-20-lb-Black-Lava-Pebbles-NL20-1030/204984692 and I'm filling 2 liter upside-down bottles with them. They are taller than normal and don't have that indent in the middle like a coca-cola 2 liter bottle does, it is straight all the way until like an inch from the bottom.
How often should I flood this system? Got the maxi jet 600
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752235 - 10/11/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Every 3 hrs is fine. I myself am in a hot area of S. Cal and I flood every 2 hrs around the clock. In the winter I'm lazy and just leave it. Same with timers. Flowering starts at 10:00 but I guess it's about to start at 9:00. 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#752497 - 10/12/14 05:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've read a few times that there isn't any point to flooding during lights off. I doubt my timers could be put on a schedule that specific though so I'm just going to be doing it around the clock as well. Every 3 hours for say, 15 minutes?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752524 - 10/12/14 06:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've read a few times that there isn't any point to flooding during lights off. I doubt my timers could be put on a schedule that specific though so I'm just going to be doing it around the clock as well. Every 3 hours for say, 15 minutes?
Yeah you pretty much don't need to flood at night unless you're in a hot area. I'm just lazy like I said and I use a slide the peg type of timer and if I set it for every 2 hrs around the clock I don't need to worry what time it's set at.
How long you flood for depends on the pump you're using and how large the set up is.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#752537 - 10/12/14 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And how would I be able to determine how much flood time is enough?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752546 - 10/12/14 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I personally go 10 to 15 minutes after the table is full.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752547 - 10/12/14 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Turn on the pump and time how long it takes to fill all the containers. Then set the timer accordingly.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#752561 - 10/12/14 07:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry for needing so much explanation. I didn't know if it needed to be flooded for extra time even after the whole setup is filled or not. I'm just going to fill to top then let drain... every 3 hours around the clock.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752590 - 10/12/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
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Sorry for needing so much explanation. I didn't know if it needed to be flooded for extra time even after the whole setup is filled or not. I'm just going to fill to top then let drain... every 3 hours around the clock.
That will work fine.
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 Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#754157 - 10/21/14 09:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some good info in this thread.
It got me thinking about that empty corner in the basement...
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: vinsue]
#754178 - 10/21/14 03:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Getting gifted some clones very soon
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#756677 - 11/10/14 03:10 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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So, what's the story how are things growing?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#756679 - 11/10/14 03:35 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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There was an unexpected delay pertaining to a relative getting ill and needed to stay with me for a while. So construction was delayed a while but I finished the veg room last weekend. I used dry wall instead of plywood. I hope that was alright . Now I just got some babies going under the t5. I'll pm you with some pics when everything is really rolling along.
You were really an enormous help throughout this whole process.  my friend
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#756681 - 11/10/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Yea, Magash is the man.
Yesterday, I sent him a rather lengthy  full of 'noob questions',
and he got right back to me and answered everything.
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That's what guys like myself, Hawk, phychotron and a few others around here are here for. I shouldn't be a mod if I can't answer questions. Next year makes my 30th year under the lights and even longer under the sun so I better know something about this shit. By the way I don't think in anyway that I'm a better grower then anybody. I just know what damn near 30 years at this will teach you and I like the others just try and pass on what time has taught so you don't have to have the same hassles. (Like the fact that there was no internet when I was learning-----hell there weren't even home computers yet unless you count a calculator).
Now off my soapbox and back on track
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I used dry wall instead of plywood. I hope that was alright
That's fine but if your not gonna use some kind of liner and go with paint (just as good) use flat white and not the glossy stuff. The glossy stuff directs the light while the flat white sends it in all directions at once.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#756686 - 11/10/14 04:25 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I covered it all in mylar. Not the "crinkly" kind you use though which I was told was better because it bends the light in a million different directions.
@Vinsue - Yes he is the man. None of what I'm doing would be possible without him.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#756687 - 11/10/14 04:36 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Got the dimples. Cheap and insulates from cold in winter and heat in summer.
I think this may be good in your grow.
Thanks again for the comments
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#756690 - 11/10/14 04:49 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Will it reflect anymore light than mylar does? I really don't have a need for insulation because I've decided only to do two cycles per year, both during winter. And it doesn't get cold enough where I live to where I'd need insulation.
During summer, even with insulation board and that insulation tape, I still think I'd have to introduce an AC unit which I don't want to bother with.
Besides, I'm only growing enough dope for myself and two cycles will easily last me the entire year. I don't have a need for growing year round other than accumulating a massive head stash.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#756693 - 11/10/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Nah, your fine. The mylar will do the job just fine.
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Besides, I'm only growing enough dope for myself and two cycles will easily last me the entire year.
lol........haha........I was a semi-pro baseball player that just got drafted to the bigs. Just before training camp I get hit by a drunk driver and the end of my baseball days. My brother in the meantime is growing in Mendocino county and is about to move to Amsterdam (now you guys know how I know the breeders). I get him to teach me a little so I can smoke when my back herts and boom now even he thinks I'm fucking batshit crazy about growing.
PRAYyou don't get addicted to growing the way I did. Worse then meth. Ya just never stop coming up with ideas for another strain or hydro improvement or cutting machine or whatever it just won't stop..............
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#756790 - 11/11/14 08:09 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Drunk drivers   Sorry to hear about that.
Pray that I don't become addicted? I've already accepted that is going to be my fate
I'm just not in a time in my life where I can put so much focus on growing. I will say that after I'm done with all of my education(that won't be a while because right now I'm leaning towards getting a doctorate) I'm ditching this draconian ass state, moving somewhere legal or at least medicinally legal and getting the show on the road 
And anytime you come up with those tiny little improvements and innovations don't hesitate to PM me with a lengthy write-up or just post it publicly. I like to learn everything I can and trust me, I don't think it's possible for someone to be more nit-picky and detail oriented than I. So even if it's an essay on some insignificant aspect, I'll be interested every time.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#756855 - 11/11/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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There's definitely worse things to be addicted to. As for my rediscovered hobby, I wish I stuck with it back when I was a 'farmer'. I wouldn't have so much to learn now, though I'm really lovin' the science side of the grow... . . .
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#757727 - 11/16/14 05:44 PM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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So after realizing there was some compatibility issues with my set up, I decided to covert from a full hydro ebb and flow to a semi-hydro coco ebb and flow. I was planning on running a PVC system where I had installed upside down 2 liters filled with lava pebbles for my flowering system(7 plants). My whole system was based on fast turn around strains that I could just put clones of into the hydro system and flip from there and still get a good yield. I have decided to switch to full coco to now be able to give my babies some time in the veg room before I put them in flower.
So, here is my updated plan:
For the flower room: I'll be running a 3'W x 3'L x ~1'H flood table that will hold (7) 2.27 gallon smart pots full of GH brand coco coir(cocotek). I am using this method to make my smartpots (https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=262977). I am under the impression that in coco I will have to change how many times I flood weekly in flower to best accommodate my plants needs. This number of floods per day will range from 1-2 in very early flower, up to 4, maybe even 5 a day during peak flower. I am flooding for 15 minutes every single flood to make sure the coco gets thoroughly saturated and the nutrients can wick up to saturate the top layer. I'll have the overflow pipe and will be recirculating it back to my res despite the popular notion that DTW is far superior in coco. 400W HPS as usual, 27 gallon tote and maxijet600 for the pump. I'll also be building a PVC structure about ~1' above the rim of the flood table and have nets hanging over the table (SCRoG  )
For the veg room: Nothing really has changed except that I will be actually vegging some babies in this room prior to putting them into flower. I'll be using 1.7 liter smart pots for these plants and will just hand water every day to every other day and have the pots sitting in a tray. I understand it might be a PITA to hand water these but whatever I'm not expecting these plants to grow up to be big, I just want to give them enough time in veg to completely recover from being cloned and establish a nice root system and maybe gain some size. Mothers will be in 2.27 gallon pots as well. For the time when the clones are rooting before they are put into the 1.7 liter pots, they'll be in an SGFC and sprayed daily to keep humid. All coco(except the clones I'm using rockwool plugs). 200W of t5 (20,000 lumens) apposed to the 150W 16,000 lumen MH I was looking at buying.
Ventilation: I have two 240cfm vent fans and a 4" ~250 cfm inline fan + carbon filter combo. Ample air is flowing through both rooms.
Where I am now: I just got the coco today and had one clone a friend gave me in some FFOF in the veg room. I have neglected it and it was given to me looking unhealthy as fuck so it isn't looking too well. A friend is making some proper clones now(sativa ) but it will take a few days to get to me 
What I'm going to do: Get the clones, grow them into mothers. Take clones off of those, root them, transfer to the 1.7 liters of coco and give them a few weeks of some veg just to put on some size and establish a thriving root system. Then put those in flower, take 4 more cuttings, grow them out to the size of the mothers, put the 3 mothers and 4 cuttings in flower and done until next fall/winter. I don't want to bother with AC in my climate and only growing during the winter will supply me with all of what I need for the year. Maybe I can try again outdoors during the summer
Thoughts, comments, suggestions?
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