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 Re: Grow room from scratch  [Re: webster10]
#750164 - 09/28/14 01:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plywood, plastic liner, saw horses, dixie cups, lava rock.
   
Then there is this setup
     
     
 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750202 - 09/28/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that you use lavarock, but would hydroton be possible?
yes
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2 liter worth of root space, I imagine this setup is designed for a small plant SoG?
Yup, I'd limit plant size to 2 feet or so.
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Now do you have any good setups like this for a mother room and a cloning space?
The size and setup of the vegging space depends on how the flowering space is setup. That determines how many mothers you need and how many cuttings you need to take and how often.
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What goes into setting up the lights? (100W mh for mothers, 50W t5 for clones, 400w hps for flower)
Ya hang em and you turn em on. What do you mean what goes into setting them up?
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Is the amount of light I'm thinking of using even enough for supporting the amount of plants I want?
It can work as long as you want small mothers.
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How am I going to cool all of these lights?
Will I have to introduce AC to the environment?
The typical air cool lights will work and a exhaust fan with a area for air to get in. Filter the incoming air with a screen to catch bugs.
The ac question depends on the area you live in. I'm not sure how hot it gets way down south but I'm sure it gets humid and a ac serves two perposes. Removes heat and removes humidity.
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What I'm thinking of doing for ventilation is installing a vortex fan around that mesh screen thing for air intake into the trailer, setting a carbon filter in the middle of the grow room and installing a vortex fan on top of it pulling air into the carbon filter. With this plan will I need a space for exhaust?
I do it like this. I have the fans connected to the lights. They draw air into the lights and out of the room. Openings in the bottom of the tents (in your case plywood floors) let the air in. You want the air to enter from more then one place or move the air in the room around real good or there will be humid spots and places with low exchange.
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Also for that design, should I spray paint the bottles black or something so I won't get algae growth in the root zone?
You could. I'd wrap em in foil so they could be checked. That would be a pretty cool advantage over most.
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How large is that res at the bottom?
I like em to hold at least twice the amount needed to flood the area.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750218 - 09/28/14 07:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those ballasts are gonna run hot as hell.
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And any recommendations on what brand of hood should I use?
I can't tell ya. I'm not up on what's out there. I've been using the same sun system hoods for the last 10 years. (Actually closer to 15)
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How with holes in the bottom of the trailer would it remain smell proof?
With the fans on air should be going into the grow space not out.
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you're saying that I should use one of those FAE sites on the trailer, pull in air through that(it already has a screen for bugs), and duct that air up to the lights to cool them off.
Use one that exists or make your own.
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I also need a space where I will pull air out and install a carbon filter at this exhaust site?
Install it anyplace you want as long as the air goes threw it before leaving the grow space.
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Also how would I pull the air through to both the mh and hps if there is a wall dividing them?
Can't help ya there I use a fan for each space. Actually I have a fan for each light.
 
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Can I stick my SGFC clone box right in with the moms(I'll be using an 85watt CFL 5000k for clones) and keep them on the same light schedule?
Yup
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Mag I really want to thank you for all this information. This project could not be possible without you
Thanks for the comment. Just doing my job. 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750277 - 09/29/14 07:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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webster10 said:
Will I have to use AC for the ballasts? Or can I stick a desk fan next to each of them to keep the heat at bay?
Buying some of the shit today and ordering a lot of it this week. I cannot wait for this to get going.
Your wattages are way low compared to what I'm use to so I'm pretty sure that a fan will do.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750362 - 09/29/14 08:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think computer fans will work or they would be used all the time. What about the air in the room. I don't see anyway to exhaust the air in the room and your gonna have to do that several times a day or you're gonna be growing mold not plants. Remember those ballasts you have chosen to use are gonna run about 3 times as hot as their digital counterparts. Plus from what I can see they have no outer casing so there is a upcoming disaster there. Plus exposure to dirt and dust.
Also, I think the 400watt can handle the heat from the 150 rather then the 150 having to handle the heat from the 400 so I'd change the airflow. Your gonna heat up the vent hose and it's gonna radiate heat. Switch the air flow and the heat from the hottest part of the setup has a shorter journey out of the grow space. ( I've been at this a while huh.... )
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1. Will the pump (185gph) be strong enough to push the water all the way through?
I'd go with the Maxi jet 600 but that pump should work.
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Can I set up the ballasts in the same space that I'm growing in?
Not with the setup in the drawing.
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If there is anything that'd make this set up better or any tips you'd like to throw in, go ahead.
Already did. 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750428 - 09/30/14 11:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or could I build a buffer room between the empty space in the trailer and the front of the grow space and put the ballasts in there?
Now your talking.
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And I'll just switch up the whole thing and flip flop the veg/flower space so the 150w heat will be blowing onto the 400w
It's not a big thing but it will help a little and remember it's the growers that do everything including the little things that get the results.
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So would a normal fan up there pulling air out not be enough exhaust?
You know you can get a squirrel cage fan for a decent price and they move a pretty good amount of air.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750489 - 09/30/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well depends on the size of the fan but it will only take one.
This fan is way bigger then what you need but the mounting is the same. These fan can be found at most home depots and such for a fairly cheap price. I used one of these for my first grow room which was 30ft long 22 ft wide and 8ft high.
One can pull air threw the lights and one can empty the space. Mount one on the wall blowing into the buffer room.
They will also move air more efficiently then the inline fan in the link.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750512 - 09/30/14 06:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I think that fan will work.
Your ideas with the fans should work. Now as far as filters go I don't use them so I can't really advise on them.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750517 - 09/30/14 07:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah...I wish I had a grower helping me when I was starting. Well for that matter I wish they had the internet when I was starting. 
 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750639 - 10/01/14 04:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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In the veg area if there is enough light to grow the vegging plant then there is enough light to root the clones. You may not need the 85watt light.
3 plants under a 150 better keep them small.
This version looks pretty good. I would ad some fans to stir the air around in the rooms.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10] 1
#750793 - 10/02/14 07:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You want to cut corners and bring in LEDs already. Sorry man I thought you were serious about this.
I'm out.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750842 - 10/03/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nah, remember most those videos of LED lights are put on youtube by the makers. They are the way of the future and everybody is going to be using them but there just not there yet.
I'm not one of those "my way is the best way" growers. I'll steal a idea like Lamont Washington in a jewelery store if it's better then what I'm doing. A good place to steal ideas from is NASA. They are always testing shit out for feeding astronauts in long travel. They try to get the most out of the least amount of power and they still are using the MH/HPS combo. They also tell the nutrients they use and crap. Last I saw they were using the General Hydroponics 3 part nutrient (something I'd never suggest a new grower use) and some other interesting crap.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750991 - 10/04/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah 15 gallons should be good.
Sound proofing the room is always a good idea. The safer the better.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#751050 - 10/04/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Will these rocks (river pebbles)
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-0-5-cu-ft-River-Pebbles-54250V/100558618
Work instead of using hydroton?
No, but I know something that will work just as well as hydroton and is only 5 bucks a bag.
This grow is from when I was poor and you had to drive a hundred miles to get to a hydro store. The cups are filled with lava rock. The red and black stuff used in front yards. (I use to buy both and mix em cause it looked cool). The stuff is heavier then hydroton and needs to be rinsed really well but it works just as well and is one hell of a lot cheaper.
In fact they didn't have these at the time and I would have been all over them
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Margo-Garden-Products-20-lb-Black-Lava-Pebbles-NL20-1030/204984692
this is what I used
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-0-5-cu-ft-Canyon-Red-Rock-100032407/100599778
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752235 - 10/11/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every 3 hrs is fine. I myself am in a hot area of S. Cal and I flood every 2 hrs around the clock. In the winter I'm lazy and just leave it. Same with timers. Flowering starts at 10:00 but I guess it's about to start at 9:00. 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752524 - 10/12/14 06:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've read a few times that there isn't any point to flooding during lights off. I doubt my timers could be put on a schedule that specific though so I'm just going to be doing it around the clock as well. Every 3 hours for say, 15 minutes?
Yeah you pretty much don't need to flood at night unless you're in a hot area. I'm just lazy like I said and I use a slide the peg type of timer and if I set it for every 2 hrs around the clock I don't need to worry what time it's set at.
How long you flood for depends on the pump you're using and how large the set up is.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752547 - 10/12/14 06:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Turn on the pump and time how long it takes to fill all the containers. Then set the timer accordingly.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752590 - 10/12/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry for needing so much explanation. I didn't know if it needed to be flooded for extra time even after the whole setup is filled or not. I'm just going to fill to top then let drain... every 3 hours around the clock.
That will work fine. 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#756677 - 11/10/14 03:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, what's the story how are things growing?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: vinsue] 1
#756685 - 11/10/14 04:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's what guys like myself, Hawk, phychotron and a few others around here are here for. I shouldn't be a mod if I can't answer questions. Next year makes my 30th year under the lights and even longer under the sun so I better know something about this shit. By the way I don't think in anyway that I'm a better grower then anybody. I just know what damn near 30 years at this will teach you and I like the others just try and pass on what time has taught so you don't have to have the same hassles. (Like the fact that there was no internet when I was learning-----hell there weren't even home computers yet unless you count a calculator).
Now off my soapbox and back on track
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I used dry wall instead of plywood. I hope that was alright
That's fine but if your not gonna use some kind of liner and go with paint (just as good) use flat white and not the glossy stuff. The glossy stuff directs the light while the flat white sends it in all directions at once.
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