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 Magash
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 Re: Grow room from scratch  [Re: webster10]
#750517 - 09/30/14 07:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah...I wish I had a grower helping me when I was starting. Well for that matter I wish they had the internet when I was starting. 
  
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 webster10
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750629 - 10/01/14 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey Magash, I drew up what I think will be the final draft of the space.
View of flower and veg room facing north:
View of the rest of the exhaust plan facing east:
It looks kind of weird and hard to understand when drawn so I'll explain it to you.
I'm pulling in air through the eastern wall into the veg room and then into the flower room. I'll only have one fan in the air ducts and it will be placed in between both lights so it can pull air onto the first light and push light onto the second light. (My only concern with this is if the fan isn't strong enough to pull in air from that far away.)
The air, now having been pushed into the flower room, will be exhausted by another fan that is mounted to the southern wall that is pulling air out of the flower room and pushing it into the buffer room. I didn't duct the second fan to the light because I want it to pull air through the room to give the flowering plants some FAE before it's sucked into the buffer room.
Then as you can see, the ballasts will get some air from the exhaust and then it will be sucked up by the carbon filter. I'll also be putting a dish of ona gel in each room for extra smell prevention.
Thoughts? Concerns?
Edited by webster10 (10/01/14 03:48 PM)
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Magash
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750639 - 10/01/14 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In the veg area if there is enough light to grow the vegging plant then there is enough light to root the clones. You may not need the 85watt light.
3 plants under a 150 better keep them small.
This version looks pretty good. I would ad some fans to stir the air around in the rooms.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750652 - 10/01/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Finally got it 
I'll add some fans inside the rooms 
Now that I have all the plans layed out, I've gotta order everything and put it all together.
I'll keep you posted
EDIT: yeah im also ditching the 85W CLF and the timer for it. Gotta save $
Edited by webster10 (10/01/14 05:14 PM)
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750784 - 10/02/14 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would I have to vent air up to the lights if I decide to run LEDs?
Or could I just set the 1st fan on the ground right next to the first FAE site, get rid of the venting completely and have the 2nd fan remain in the same location?
I'd be getting rid of vents and moving the first fan to the circled area to pull in air
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10] 1
#750793 - 10/02/14 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You want to cut corners and bring in LEDs already. Sorry man I thought you were serious about this.
I'm out.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750823 - 10/03/14 04:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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LEDs is cutting corners? I was under the impression they were better 
So that's basically a hell fucking no to LED's?
It's not completely my choice but I'll do everything I can to sway the decision to the typical MH/HPS.
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Magash
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750842 - 10/03/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah, remember most those videos of LED lights are put on youtube by the makers. They are the way of the future and everybody is going to be using them but there just not there yet.
I'm not one of those "my way is the best way" growers. I'll steal a idea like Lamont Washington in a jewelery store if it's better then what I'm doing. A good place to steal ideas from is NASA. They are always testing shit out for feeding astronauts in long travel. They try to get the most out of the least amount of power and they still are using the MH/HPS combo. They also tell the nutrients they use and crap. Last I saw they were using the General Hydroponics 3 part nutrient (something I'd never suggest a new grower use) and some other interesting crap.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750930 - 10/03/14 07:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice for the lighting. I'm reducing my flower plant count from 11 to 7. I made up for this in the PVC system by replacing the four outer tees with elbows and eliminating the outer corners used as 4 extra plant sites. I'm thinking it should work exactly the same.
I know your general rule of thumb is you want a res to be at least 2x the amount of water needed to flood. I however have no idea how I would calculate this number  But would you say maybe 15 gallons be good?
Also since I'll be using the 324W 30,000lumen t5 instead of the MH, it will have a self contained ballast so the buffer room will only consist of the carbon filter and the HPS ballast. I'm thinking I'm going to soundproof the buffer room.
Edited by webster10 (10/03/14 07:34 PM)
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750991 - 10/04/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah 15 gallons should be good.
Sound proofing the room is always a good idea. The safer the better.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750999 - 10/04/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Got a 27 gallon instead, it looked sturdy and was a good size to set the PVC thing on top of. I sealed the PVC together and have ordered some items but I still need to order a lot more.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#751007 - 10/04/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will these rocks (river pebbles)
Work instead of using hydroton?
Edited by webster10 (10/04/14 05:58 PM)
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Magash
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#751050 - 10/04/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
webster10 said:
Will these rocks (river pebbles)
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-0-5-cu-ft-River-Pebbles-54250V/100558618
Work instead of using hydroton?
No, but I know something that will work just as well as hydroton and is only 5 bucks a bag.
This grow is from when I was poor and you had to drive a hundred miles to get to a hydro store. The cups are filled with lava rock. The red and black stuff used in front yards. (I use to buy both and mix em cause it looked cool). The stuff is heavier then hydroton and needs to be rinsed really well but it works just as well and is one hell of a lot cheaper.
In fact they didn't have these at the time and I would have been all over them
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Margo-Garden-Products-20-lb-Black-Lava-Pebbles-NL20-1030/204984692
this is what I used
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-0-5-cu-ft-Canyon-Red-Rock-100032407/100599778
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#751053 - 10/04/14 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sweet I'll go pick that up sometime in the near future
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#751711 - 10/08/14 10:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Watering schedule for that PVC f&d setup?
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752226 - 10/11/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
webster10 said:
Watering schedule for that PVC f&d setup?
BUMP
Bought these http://www.homedepot.com/p/Margo-Garden-Products-20-lb-Black-Lava-Pebbles-NL20-1030/204984692 and I'm filling 2 liter upside-down bottles with them. They are taller than normal and don't have that indent in the middle like a coca-cola 2 liter bottle does, it is straight all the way until like an inch from the bottom.
How often should I flood this system? Got the maxi jet 600
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Magash
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752235 - 10/11/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Every 3 hrs is fine. I myself am in a hot area of S. Cal and I flood every 2 hrs around the clock. In the winter I'm lazy and just leave it. Same with timers. Flowering starts at 10:00 but I guess it's about to start at 9:00. 
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#752497 - 10/12/14 05:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've read a few times that there isn't any point to flooding during lights off. I doubt my timers could be put on a schedule that specific though so I'm just going to be doing it around the clock as well. Every 3 hours for say, 15 minutes?
Edited by webster10 (10/12/14 05:51 PM)
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#752524 - 10/12/14 06:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
webster10 said:
I've read a few times that there isn't any point to flooding during lights off. I doubt my timers could be put on a schedule that specific though so I'm just going to be doing it around the clock as well. Every 3 hours for say, 15 minutes?
Yeah you pretty much don't need to flood at night unless you're in a hot area. I'm just lazy like I said and I use a slide the peg type of timer and if I set it for every 2 hrs around the clock I don't need to worry what time it's set at.
How long you flood for depends on the pump you're using and how large the set up is.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#752537 - 10/12/14 06:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And how would I be able to determine how much flood time is enough?
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