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 oeric mckenna
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 trimming alive/ in ground 
#740573 - 07/18/14 01:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey folks.
Just thought I'd share something I recently discovered and upon searcing could find no research on...
I did some compare trials and found my hunch correct.
After complete flushes and when your buds are done ripening, if you do a full trim with the plant in the dirt still and wait 3 days before harvest, she will exude massive amounts of sticky resinous juice... I'm working with a homemade strain "gumdrop", and the compare samples are like night and day.
On the trimmed samples, the taste, potency and overall dankness are just unbelievable...
Feel free to be skeptical and doubt this but hear me now and thank me later...try it
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 Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna]
#740581 - 07/18/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would you mind posting some pictures of some gumdrop bud that was trimmed and let sit for 3 more days next to a plant that was cut and then trimmed?
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oeric mckenna
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: webster10]
#740612 - 07/18/14 01:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That'd be cool if I could but its long since jarred up. I have a monster I call "the purp" that's done half and half, but there's not much difference that could be seen by eye... its more of a stickiness you can feel. The real result differential is in the pipe.
Yup... the "gumdrop" is an original experiment that I now wish I grew more of..
You know the things folks who don't like indicas complain about? it had LOTS of such qualities... body stone so heavy I always feel like there's pressure in my feet and have to take my shoes off. I'd love to spread this strain around someday 
I did length trials too:
I recommend full trim in ground, and letting the plant sit in light for a single cycle, then watering (with pure water of course), followed by 2 days of darkness and then picking/hanging.
Too many days under the light after trimming and, althougth the buds produced insane amounts of stickiness, they were more harsh overall.
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna]
#740614 - 07/18/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah man, around here we are the kind that preach "pics or it didn't happen".
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oeric mckenna
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: TribalSeed]
#740616 - 07/18/14 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its just an if you like "hey try this" haha I don't care man... I felt like it was something I should share with the community
They say that on the shroomery too. You know who else says pics or it didn't happen? the DEA.
Like I said, the pictures would look identical. if someone can't fathom the validity of thiks simple logic as to why or how any woulded plant exudes more of its juices idk what to say...
Any science is constantly evolving and sometimes, a very good idea that was long overlooked is discovered by some random dude in an attiic...
I have nothing to lose or gain by someone else trying this. Just thought I'd be nice and share a discovery. Like I said, I could do picture comparisons on this purp I just did a split on, but the look is the same. The clear difference is in the pipe. Next time you hack a plant, leave a single bud on it and trim it. Do what I did, and if you don't agree, tell me I'm wrong 
Either way I don't care, shoot the messenger, that's ok too
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bEelzeBosS
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna]
#740617 - 07/18/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So by trim, do you mean trim it completely like you would before you jar it or just knock all the leaves off?
Sounds interesting, if true though I cant imagine how nobody would have already discovered this...
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#740618 - 07/18/14 02:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I usually trim all big unnecessary fan leaves off a week or so before harvest and it helps light penetrate through the canopy and ripen buds on the lower branches that wouldn't usually see that much light.
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oeric mckenna
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Yeah I mean full, tight trim. I avoid even trimming a single leaf until that point as they use every leaf until the end.
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna] 1
#740823 - 07/21/14 04:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
oeric mckenna said:
Its just an if you like "hey try this" haha I don't care man... I felt like it was something I should share with the community
They say that on the shroomery too. You know who else says pics or it didn't happen? the DEA.
Like I said, the pictures would look identical. if someone can't fathom the validity of thiks simple logic as to why or how any woulded plant exudes more of its juices idk what to say...
Any science is constantly evolving and sometimes, a very good idea that was long overlooked is discovered by some random dude in an attiic...
I have nothing to lose or gain by someone else trying this. Just thought I'd be nice and share a discovery. Like I said, I could do picture comparisons on this purp I just did a split on, but the look is the same. The clear difference is in the pipe. Next time you hack a plant, leave a single bud on it and trim it. Do what I did, and if you don't agree, tell me I'm wrong
Either way I don't care, shoot the messenger, that's ok too
We say it, because people come in claiming shit like this all the goddamned time. Of course using a controlled scientific method, with documentation is going to be requested. Otherwise it's just some random guy spewing an opinion.
Around here, we ask for documented evidence. You are supplying none, and make excuses like were the DEA 
Post come pics with the crops, and then we'll decide.
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oeric mckenna
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I've been growing for over 20 years and its just something I stumbled across recently.
Like I said man, the pictures would look the same. Next time you wack a plant, leave a bud growing but trim it and use my method (if you like, I'm not pushing). If you don't like the results, come back and tell me I'm mistaken.
Its just a suggestion
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Mr. Wilson
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna]
#740916 - 07/22/14 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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here's something i heard a while back
the Colombian/Jamaican "gold" thing
they girdle the trunk and let it somewhat dry on the stalk producing that golden look and supposedly gets a sweeter taste
but say if it were in the woods and a week of straight rain came
could be disastrous
just some random BS ive heard over the years
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TribalSeed
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#740917 - 07/22/14 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Wilson said:
here's something i heard a while back
the Colombian/Jamaican "gold" thing
they girdle the trunk and let it somewhat dry on the stalk producing that golden look and supposedly gets a sweeter taste
but say if it were in the woods and a week of straight rain came
could be disastrous
just some random BS ive heard over the years
Man I have heard that one strain that comes out of Africa, I think, gets chopped and then wrapped in banana peels/leaves and gets buried underground for about 6 months. Evidently that type of curing process puts some kick into the bud. 
Read about it in the cannabible the 3rd one. I don't really like the way King boasts about organically grown bud throughout his books but I do like the rundown on a lot of the strains.
God I wish I could find a cut of Dumpster.
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oeric mckenna
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: TribalSeed]
#740955 - 07/22/14 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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All my method does pretty much is make the plant ooze more sap-like resin. To the plant, every trim cut is a wound.
I would just recommend doing it to whatever I personally planned on smoking. The difference in the cut bud is that its so dank you can hardly hold a hit in. Trimming alive in the dirt is a giant pain in the ass so that's a reason to just do some. That and the comparison factor.
The gumdrop strain I'm working with produces a very leafy indica bud but the small leaves look like they just came in from a snowstorm...
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna]
#740956 - 07/22/14 03:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll try this on one cola of a plant I'm growing but not the whole plant. Also it's a CBD strain so it'd be interesting to see how the cola reacts
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Mr. Wilson
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: TribalSeed] 1
#740957 - 07/22/14 03:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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talkin about that Malawi "cob"
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna]
#740961 - 07/22/14 03:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should buy a THC/CBD potency test kit and do a side by side test. People would be more inclined to believe you if you have hard evidence instead of just saying 'it works'.
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Inocuole
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Deadkndys420] 1
#740993 - 07/22/14 08:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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To be fair you're saying OPs thought process should have been:
"I just tried this thing, it seems to have had a strong and noticeable effect for me. I should share this with others- oh wait in order to share my experiences on a forum I need to order some test kits and/or find some other way to prove to everyone that I'm not lying"
Seems a bit... excessive, considering he was just sharing something he noticed. It's not like he's selling anything.
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TribalSeed
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#740995 - 07/22/14 08:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Wilson said:
talkin about that Malawi "cob"
Yeah thats it brother. I probably didn't hit the nail straight on the head for how its done, but that's interesting as hell.
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TribalSeed
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Inocuole]
#741011 - 07/22/14 10:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Inocuole said:
To be fair you're saying OPs thought process should have been:
"I just tried this thing, it seems to have had a strong and noticeable effect for me. I should share this with others- oh wait in order to share my experiences on a forum I need to order some test kits and/or find some other way to prove to everyone that I'm not lying"
Seems a bit... excessive, considering he was just sharing something he noticed. It's not like he's selling anything.
You know I will agree with you. I don't want to chase off new members or anything like that.
But oeric, this is how it is around here. Its not that we aren't appreciative of the idea, its just we all have our own methods that work for us. Some are more apt to try different things, but still they do what they know works.
The reason we ask for some pics is so we can see if it is really worth the amount of time and effort put into it. Most of us have our gardens on a tight schedule or we are just too busy in our personal life to get way in depth with experimental methods.
We definitely appreciate it, so please don't take our posts offensively, however a little proof goes a long way around here.lol.
Seriously OP, thanks for bringing this method to us. Maybe someone will try it and post a bit of a harvest-log for us.
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Inocuole
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: TribalSeed]
#741015 - 07/22/14 11:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I start my next grow in the near future I'll try it with one plant and report back here. No real harm caused that I can tell.
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Inocuole]
#741042 - 07/23/14 12:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tribalseed is right because thats just how it is here and always will be. You have to report findings along with test results and pictures regarding your experiment. Most people start a thread and post pics and findings as they go. This is how new techniques are discovered and tested. There are many examples of this found here at Growery and also on Shroomery.
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Inocuole
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Again, devil's advocate here, if the pics would literally prove nothing, how the hell is a picture of anything, even a documented test, going to prove his point?
I've been on the shroomery forever and while pics are encouraged it's not a make or break for anyone believing what you say there either.
Even if this guy took a picture of some nugs looking super sticky and glistening with THC there would be no proof that those nugs were obtained using the methods he mentioned, or that they were even his buds at all. Pictures on the internet are about as reliable as guarantees you hear on TV.
Yes the guy made a claim, yes we have no proof, but you can't get *real* proof on the internet about things like this, if you're attempting to use sound logic to determine what is 100% fact, the internet is a barren wasteland of trickery.
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Inocuole]
#741058 - 07/23/14 03:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Inocuole said:
Yes the guy made a claim, yes we have no proof, but you can't get *real* proof on the internet about things like this
Yeah its not like they have test that can determine the THC potency.
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Deadkndys420]
#741059 - 07/23/14 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They do but what's he going to do, take a picture of it? If he was really trying to deceive anyone, Photoshop would be right there to help him do it.
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Inocuole]
#741060 - 07/23/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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logically He would give a picture with a username next to the test or something similar.A lot harder photoshoping a piece of paper with a name on it or a monitor with the thread and making it look genuine.
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Deadkndys420] 1
#741062 - 07/23/14 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Regardless the whole thing is bullshit. When a plant is cut it doesn't ooze out trichomes to begin with.
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Magash
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Quote:
Hawksresurrection said:
Regardless the whole thing is bullshit. When a plant is cut it doesn't ooze out trichomes to begin with.
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw it. Made me not take the thread seriously so I stayed out of it. The only thing I can think of is that trimming the buds stressed the plant out in some way. That is if you believe in the stress causes more trichomes bullshit which I don't.
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oeric mckenna
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Magash]
#741068 - 07/23/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't remember saying there were more trichromes.
Bullshit eh? well then... I guess that's settled.
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna]
#741070 - 07/23/14 05:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oeric mckenna said:
After complete flushes and when your buds are done ripening, if you do a full trim with the plant in the dirt still and wait 3 days before harvest, she will exude massive amounts of sticky resinous juice...
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oeric mckenna
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Deadkndys420]
#741073 - 07/23/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe my understanding of what's occurring isn't scientifically or gramatically accurate but I'm certain I have 2 seperate jars and the ground trimmed buds, although equally smooth, can't be held in the lungs because the smoke is intensely dank. I'm doing this repeatedly for my own head stash.
I'd consider this more a curing method tag on than a grow technique. My dad used to have one I'd never heard of anyone doing where he'd put wet buds in the freezer for about 15min before drying.
He'd say it "zaps the chlorophyll taste", and visually darkens bud color, although I don't use that myself.
At risk of being completely wrong with any idea, I'd say nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Anything we now accept as a thing was once something being tried, and whether right or wrong, this is how any science gets pushed forward.
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna]
#741079 - 07/23/14 06:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes that's how science gets pushed forward. But people who use science correctly will do controlled experiments, with results showing what the differences are. Without that, of course we are going to call bullshit.
I could come in here and say I spread lotion on my buds and they turned out way more sticky than the ones I didn't. I don't have any results, just believe me. Take my word for it man....
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Magash
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I put up a post years ago saying that dipping cuttings in gel helped them even with a ez-cloner and everybody said I was fucking crazy cause the ez-cloner washes the gel off within seconds of being put in. I said that it does it's job in just seconds.
So I did the tests and the pics
With no gel
With gel
The gel used
For me I found that increasing potash increases trichome production but I have no test on that yet
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: Magash]
#741096 - 07/23/14 08:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, potassium is derived from potash, so that would make sense.
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oeric mckenna
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I have a buddy who uses that gel in his cloner solution. Maybe the gel does wash off but also recirculates. I just read a study where chlorine water actually helps clones, not only by killing nasty root rotting bacteria but there's also something in the chlorine that the clones use beneficially.
I found it interesting as a clone addict
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Re: trimming alive/ in ground [Re: oeric mckenna]
#741138 - 07/24/14 09:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's possible that cannabis sap isn't even psychoactive. People would have you believe it's some sort of pure resin, but I'd assume it's just like any sap. See if you can test some =)
Edit add: I read recently that adding lots of vitamin B after 12/12 can potentially majorly boost trichrome production, but it might have been said by a company selling vitamin b and may or may not be true.
Edited by Midgetpawn (07/24/14 09:44 AM)
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