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 Mr. Wilson
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 looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ 
#725769 - 04/13/14 05:11 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I very may well be looking to expand my repertoire and do a little serious indoor
what is a good setup??
looking at the aeroflo 60 site with extension or an ebb and flow table or four
I would run organic liquid in the aero of course the plus being able to reuse media
the tables with soil of course and the drawback being messing with all that soil come turnaround
I got a nice sized area to fool with and money is no object
way I see it its an investment for 10 fold return
would run 4-6 lights so 1000w or 600w?
and I don't live too terribly far from Hydro Wholesale in Atlanta
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725770 - 04/13/14 06:16 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you think you're going to be running organic in an aeroponic system then you really haven't done enough research.
Soil in a flood and drain? Also yikes.
And if it's 6 lights, they need to be 1kw, if they're 600w, you need to go with minimum 10 for the same square footage.
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#725773 - 04/13/14 06:39 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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i thought I seen some nutrients that were organic and able to flow through the sprayer/spinner mechanism in the aeroflo
also an ebb and flow table consists of a large tray of pots and the solution is pretty much run to waste whether applied by hand or using a drip irrigation frame correct??
I know soil is more forgiving as far as problems go but the growth on those aeroponic setups when dialed in is spectacular
or maybe I got it all wrong??
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725774 - 04/13/14 06:46 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe the Humboldt line would work??
and 6000 watts!! da damn man that's some serious illumination but I guess that's what it takes
how about 4 1000 waters on a mover??
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725777 - 04/13/14 06:56 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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An Ebb and Flow table is a hydro system that floods and drains. And reuses the water.
Here, buy this BOOK , read it, then think about growing.
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#725780 - 04/13/14 07:01 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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haha
got it and the ed Rosenthal indoor hulticulture, the greg green grow bible, and many others
so you reuse the solution in an ebb and flow ehh??
nobody uses them as a run to waste system??
and there is no organic nutrient program that will run through the Aeroflo without clogging??
I have no apprehension to using a run to waste system because I would just use it to water my vegetables and flowers
seems to me that the sediment from the cycles going back into the reservoir would cause a few problems not to mention an eventual accumulation of muck and other nasty shit
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725789 - 04/13/14 08:11 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, no offense, but if you have all those books, it doesn't seem like you have actually read them.
In and ebb and flo setup, you have a reservoir that you pump nutrients and water into the table from and then it returns. You change that reservoir once a week, at a minimum.
You CAN do organic, it's just a bigger pain in the ass.
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#725793 - 04/13/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah I mainly focused on the outdoor, soil prep, and organic amendment sections
im an outdoor guy myself
so I guess a man just lets the solution cycle until the ppm's get low then mix in more solution to get em back up??
what I got out of the Soma book was that his nutrients are in the soil and he pretty much "just adds water"
what I was thinking was along those lines with an ebb and flow table with a set of nursery pots with an excellent organic soil mixture and pretty much just using plain filtered water OR using an aeroponic system with an organic nute schedule but you guys say it doesn't exist
I guess the main thing with me is being organic but I just don't really want to fool with all that soil every 3 months i.e. buying and disposing
I like the idea of using an organic schedule with rockwool and hydroton to achieve superior results
it just seems less wasteful and cheaper in the long run
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725794 - 04/13/14 09:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are contradicting yourself dude. Do you want to use soil? Or rockwool and hydroton? Make up your mind dude.
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#725798 - 04/13/14 09:50 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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haha
yeah your're right man
I want to have my cake and eat it too
I want the taste supremeness that is organic but with the ease and cleanliness of rockwool and hydroton in a easy to operate system
that aint asking too much is it
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725800 - 04/13/14 09:56 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well organic has nothing to do with taste. WHAT SO EVER. Magash can attest to that. He did blind taste tests. Its all a bunch of baloney.
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725801 - 04/13/14 09:58 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I want an aeroflo system and a damn good organic fertilizer program
I will not budge on the organic thing
even if I just have to go with an ebb and flow table full of black nursery pots with a damn good organic soil prep using mostly plain water and just running to waste
I just don't want to have to fuck with all that soil every time I harvest
I mean damn I know I aint the only person that's thought of this
I want the best of both worlds I guess is what im saying
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725802 - 04/13/14 09:59 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah I read the post and we just aint gonna bicker about it
it is and has been and will be argued till the end of time ya know
what would be/is your preferred type of system??
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725804 - 04/13/14 10:13 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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that floranova seems to get the job done tho looking at magash's work tho
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725806 - 04/13/14 10:45 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Wilson said:
I want an aeroflo system and a damn good organic fertilizer program
I will not budge on the organic thing
Here's the thing with organic;
True natural organic soil is full of plant material... chemists call this organic which simply means it has a carbon and a hydrogen atom. That plant material has super long chain organic molecules (once again, carbon and hydrogen atoms in the molecule) such as 1,5 diaminopentane. In an organic soil media the microfauna (primarily bacteria and fungi) break those enormous chains down over the course of weeks into immediately consumable compounds such as ammonia, ammonium, and various nitrates and nitrites. In hydroponic cultivation you're skipping the multi-week breakdown process and simply feeding the plants immediately available nutrients. In organic gardening the plants eat the exact same shit, simply the method of delivery is different.
I repeat, In organic gardening the plants eat the exact same shit, simply the method of delivery is different.
Tl;dr - organic is bullshit and hydro nutrient salts are the exact same shit but faster.
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Harry_Ba11sach] 1
#725808 - 04/13/14 11:20 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Which is what I said, you just did it more eloquently. But, it in nature it does make a difference.
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#725830 - 04/14/14 07:59 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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It should be noted, that applies exclusively to organic nutrients. In the grocery store, "organic" has a much broader implication including no pesticides or fungicides so I think that's still worth the extra money. For growing pot however, I think organic nutrients are superfluous.
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#725831 - 04/14/14 08:12 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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ballsack laid it down didn't he haha
yeah I got my holes dug in the woods and letting my prep "cook" which would be the lengthy breaking down process I suppose
so I gather the aeroflo system with an outstanding fert program would be the way to go
I would have to get ppm/tds meters and learn to use them and use them religiously
also get a RO filter because I know my city water is shit
I don't drink it and neither does my dog
the aeroflo 60 with extension is 10'x7'
I wonder what lighting setup would be best- I have personally seen the effectiveness of HPS so that's probably what I will go with
I have looked into LED and plasma but I have a few doubts about them
will also get the 128 site EZ Clone and a T5 suitable for it
may need a light controller and mover
im not going to fool with CO2 for now anyway
ive already got a DWC bucket for mama and know a guy that grows so I can get some cuts for the first run and hes always growing the hottest strains (doing moby dick right now) he grows in soil and lets em get BIG
I have experience in taking and rooting cuttings and am not scared in the slightest of the process
so I guess maybe I might be open to using a non organic program (damn yall) and what would be the best way to go on lighting??
I figured I would set the system next to a wall that's been painted and build a partition around it with a door-- paint or film the interior of course
im leaning toward a 3 1000watt system on a mover or maybe 4
I would use one of those that move left to right of course
I want my system set up long so I can get to stuff easily
I will have the option of setting up an identical system next to it making it wider in the future if everything goes well
way I see it its gonna cost bout 10 g's to make this one right
does that sound bout right??
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725832 - 04/14/14 08:16 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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the only thing Im really stuck on is NOT using some of those industrial strength 'cides
I want my setup the way I want because I think it would be easier to cool
<--mover-->
in----fan----light----light-----fan----light----light----fan??--out
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725834 - 04/14/14 08:34 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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im going to have to make some adjustments though
I own my own house but will have to get the name switched
I tell ya fellas
im tired of depending on our government to make sure we all have jobs and shit so im gonna create my own
two things that never go out of style is pot and pussy
and I have a hard enuff time keeping pussy around sooo
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725835 - 04/14/14 08:39 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Wilson said:
the only thing Im really stuck on is NOT using some of those industrial strength 'cides
I'm 100% with you on that. If you keep your grow room clean and sanitary you shouldn't ever have reason to.
For lights, I personally think movers are a waste of money. Not that they don't have a little benefit, but the $250 (EACH) could be put to much better use elsewhere in the garden. I mean shit, that's practically the cost of a second grow light. The rule of thumb is to put a 1,000W HPS over a 4ft x 4ft area, but the more light the better so if you're really trying to yield some huge buds, go with the 1KW over a 3x3 area. I still think the mover isn't really necessary.
The aeroflow is going to be your best bet for fast growth and yields, but you have to be careful because I've had issues with reservoir temps in the past. That will kill your plants so fast, but if you keep the tank temps down you're going to see some crazy shit as far as growth rate goes.
As for setting up your lights with fans etc, I think the only real way (short of getting a 10-HVAC unit) is to duct your lights with sealed flow hoods. Are you familiar with that strategy? See below. 
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#725836 - 04/14/14 09:08 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am familiar with the setup
yeah the lights have to have the heat ducted out via inline fans
I want to have it switchable also so come winter I can use to warm the house--haha bet you didn't think of that one
im gonna put the outlet next to the heat pump outside so it looks believable or maybe into the clothes dryer flap??
yeah you are right about the mover
twas looking and it is bout as much as another light
just seems the light would get to those shady places if it was moving
but I just cant run 8 1000 watt lamps man--good god the fucking power bill
7'x10' is an odd dimension tho aint it??
that's why im thinking light mover
or maybe I would have to put the aeroflos side by side instead of long
get what im sayin??
hell it would be almost the same just a little more square shaped
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725838 - 04/14/14 09:20 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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7x10 is awesome, have two rows, 7x4, with a two foot wide path between them for access. Two lights over each row, that sounds perfect.
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#725840 - 04/14/14 09:27 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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so lay em side by side with a 2 ft path down the center ehh??
partition it in
and would be perfect ehh??
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725841 - 04/14/14 09:34 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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You wouldn't even need to partition it. But a 4x8 section is very very standard, so having it be 1 foot shorter is fine... I doubt you'll even notice that one less foot in the yield since you'll have higher light density for each plot. And you're going to really love that 2 foot path down the middle when it comes to tending to the garden.
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#725842 - 04/14/14 09:40 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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hell yeah man sounds sound
the aeroflo comes with the flora series nutes
that good nuff or is there something better??
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725846 - 04/14/14 09:57 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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this will be a 120 site getup and my cloner does 128
leaves room for culls and gifts to friends
what could a man expect to get per clone
surely an onion per site??
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#725901 - 04/14/14 06:00 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Magash]
#725966 - 04/15/14 01:20 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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that's pretty nice man
but umm whats that little green eye in the middle of the pics??
you didn't get em from somewhere else did ya??
don't mean to offend just wondering
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#726131 - 04/15/14 08:55 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah, I was getting my pics ripped off which happens to be happening again with what Harry showed me the other day.
I made a water mark out of this
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Re: looking at some indoor setups thinkin bout layin down some serious scratch$$ [Re: Magash]
#726138 - 04/15/14 09:13 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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no shit man
folks were jacking YOUR shit
how fucked up is that
I was going through a few threads and was reading about autos
whats your opinion of em so far??
im fixin to start about 7 of 3 varieties myself
are they really that fast??
I got em to have something before my others get done in oct-nov
and how do you start seeds
im fixin to pop some and I paid out the ass for these
wanna do it right
got some distilled water (never used it before) always used tap
and ive always used a paper towel
ahh hell don't answer that one
im gonna do it that way anyway
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