Is so fucking stupid.

Making people buy a bunch of "tote" bags  or paying 10 cents a piece for  paper bags.


To paraphrase George Carlin.

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It's not like these environmentalists actually give two shits about the planet. At least not in the abstract they don't. They are just concerned with a clean place to live, their own living habitat.

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles, hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages... And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE are!

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Thebooedocksaint said:
You realize that last line in what Carlin says is kind of important if you don't want extinction right?

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King Koopa said:
What do you mean by "failed mutation". You don't care if the human race goes extinct? Why not?

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Thebooedocksaint said:
With members of our species thinking like you I wouldn't doubt it.

I personally think being the only species on earth to use advanced technology obligates us to prevent our own extinction. Mind you we will probably take most of the species on earth with us if it gets so bad we all die out.

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King Koopa said:
What do you mean by "failed mutation". You don't care if the human race goes extinct? Why not?

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Because what good have we actually done? Can you think of one thing we have done that wasn't for ourselves or reversing the damage we have caused?

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Thebooedocksaint said:
With members of our species thinking like you I wouldn't doubt it.

I personally think being the only species on earth to use advanced technology obligates us to prevent our own extinction. Mind you we will probably take most of the species on earth with us if it gets so bad we all die out.

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Oh please if you think humans will be here forever then you're pretty dense.

And where are you going to go to after Earth is FUBAR? Mars? Then where from there once mars is fucked?

Every heard the phrase "History repeats itself"? One way or another humans will be there own demise.

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however with plebeians like you, who get butt hurt over ending a habit that is literally choking the oceans historically most fertile areas with poison, that only think about how inconvenient a change will be. But then again you just started a thread ranting about a first world problem, and then got butt-hurt when you were given a perfectly legitimate argument why your bitching is as selfish as a toddler.

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When did I get "butthurt"? I never said anything about your "plastic island". You are the selfish one. You aren't satisfied unless humans are here until the end of time. I on the other hand do not care if we will be here for the next 100 years. We are the worst thing that has happened to this planet and once we are gone the earth will repair itself like it has been doing for the past millions of years. Your arrogance is as astonishing.


You are obviously the "butthurt" one in this thread.

Here try this "Adolf Hitler" said it worked well for him.

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Deadkndys420 said:
Is so fucking stupid.

Making people buy a bunch of "tote" bags  or paying 10 cents a piece for  paper bags.

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Deadkndys420 said:
Is so fucking stupid.

Making people buy a bunch of "tote" bags  or paying 10 cents a piece for  paper bags.

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butt-hurt over being inconvenienced because you can't have a poison-bag.

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God you're dense.

I was upset that they are making us pay for brown paper bags (they were free when plastic was offered) or paying for shitty nylon bags.  Adding the George Carlin quote just seemed Relevant.

Man I hope you do not burden the world with your offspring.

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P-O said:
we need hemp plastic bags... made from nature and fully recyclable

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I personally think being the only species on earth to use advanced technology obligates us to prevent our own extinction.

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I couldn't agree more but believe that because of our ability to use advanced technology we will bring about our own end. There are way to many bombs to believe that we are all going to just join hands sing it's a small world and dismantle them all. One day one or a few are gonna go off.

We tend to celebrate ourselves a little bit to much. We chain ourselves to trees to save 10000 acres of rain forest and celebrate when we do it with little thought of the 500000 acres that got cut down to get us out there in the first place also not considering the fact that if we weren't here there wouldn't have been a problem to begin with.

I think humans are the learning species of the planet. The next race (most likely some kind of insect that will survive the radiation) will learn from the mistakes that we made.

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Magash said:
Interesting. I'm kind of in the middle of the argument but lean toward the side that we are pretty much gonna be dead meat.

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I personally think being the only species on earth to use advanced technology obligates us to prevent our own extinction.

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I couldn't agree more but believe that because of our ability to use advanced technology we will bring about our own end. There are way to many bombs to believe that we are all going to just join hands sing it's a small world and dismantle them all. One day one or a few are gonna go off.

We tend to celebrate ourselves a little bit to much. We chain ourselves to trees to save 10000 acres of rain forest and celebrate when we do it with little thought of the 500000 acres that got cut down to get us out there in the first place also not considering the fact that if we weren't here there wouldn't have been a problem to begin with.

I think humans are the learning species of the planet. The next race (most likely some kind of insect that will survive the radiation) will learn from the mistakes that we made.

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With the urging of environmental groups backed by the celebrity firepower of actress Julia Louis-Dreyfus, the city of Los Angles banned plastic supermarket bags last week. The law received added support from the Los Angeles Times, which published a house editorial encouraging the city council to enact the ban. Without presenting any quantitative evidence, the editors wrote that plastic bags pose a "huge cost to the environment" and that reusable totes and paper bags are "better options." Unsupported claims to this effect are widespread in the press and among advocacy groups, but they are at odds with scientific data.

In 2011, the United Kingdom's Environment Agency released a study that evaluated nine categories of environmental impacts caused by different types of supermarket bags. The study found that paper bags have a worse effect on the environment than plastic bags in all nine impact categories, which include global warming potential, abiotic depletion, acidification, eutrophication, human toxicity, fresh water aquatic ecotoxicity, marine aquatic ecotoxicity, terrestrial ecotoxicity, and photochemical oxidation.

Furthermore, the study found that the average supermarket shopper would have to reuse the same cotton tote from 94 up to 1,899 times before it had less environmental impact than the disposable plastic bags needed to carry the same amount of groceries. This wide-varying amount of reuse that is required until the breakeven point is reached depends upon the type of environmental impact, but the median is 314 times, and it is more 179 times for all but one of the 9 impact categories.

For example, a shopper would need to reuse the same cotton tote 350 times before it caused less fresh water aquatic ecotoxicity than all of the plastic bags that it would replace over this period. Given the improbability that the same cotton tote would last that long (its expected life is 52 reuses), in most cases plastic bags will have less environmental impact.

Why is this? Because the environmental impacts of supermarket bags are dominated by the energy and raw materials needed to manufacture them. Plastic bags are inexpensive because relatively small amounts of energy and raw materials are needed to make them. These same attributes that make plastic bags affordable and light also make them easier on the environment than alternatives like paper bags and reusable cotton totes.

Critics of plastic bags frequently argue that they "take hundreds of years to decompose," and the LA Times editors advance this storyline by showing a picture of a dump with a caption that reads, "ENDURING: A plastic grocery store bag lies amid the trash at a Calabasas landfill." Such logic ignores reality in two key respects.

First, modern-day landfills are generally benign because they have composite liners, clay caps, and runoff collections systems. As explained in a 1999 paper in the Journal of Environmental Engineering, modern landfills have "minimum odor nuisance," "pose few problems after they are closed," and "are a tribute to sanitary engineering." Moreover, after being closed, landfills can be used for parks, commercial development, golf courses, nature conservatories, ski slopes, and airfields.

Second, even organic materials in landfills commonly take hundreds of years to decompose. Many people are ill-informed of this fact because of websites like WikiAnswers, corporations like Disney, major media outlets like CBS-and because they have been misled about this subject since their youth. Such misinformation flows from educational resources like the Environmental Education Exchange's middle school curriculum on recycling, which states that paper bags take about a month to decompose in a landfill. Nearly the same content appears on EducationWorld.com, which has been honored by Apple, Microsoft, and Encyclopedia Britannica as one the world's top education resources. These resources invoke the credibility of unidentified "scientists" to support this claim about paper bags and similar claims about other organic materials, but the scientific facts prove otherwise.

A study of landfills sponsored by the University of Arizona found that the tightly compacted contents of landfills create low-oxygen environments that inhibit decomposition. The details of the study were published in the book, Rubbish: The Archaeology of Garbage (2001), which explains that:

• "the dynamics of a landfill are very nearly the opposite of what most people think."

• landfills "are not vast composters; rather, they are vast mummifiers."

• "almost all the organic material" from the 1950s in a Phoenix landfill "remained readily identifiable: Pages from coloring books were still clearly that, onion parings were onion parings, carrot tops were carrot tops."

• much of the organic material in an ancient Roman landfill that was twenty centuries old had not fully decomposed.

Up until the second century A.D., most literature was written on papyrus, an organic paper-like product. Papyrus is very vulnerable to moisture and deteriorates quickly when handled, but some of these documents survived thousands of years to the present era simply because they were deposited in landfills and thus shielded from decay. Like disposable plastic bags, reusable cotton bags wind up in landfills at the end of their useful lives and will likely be intact hundreds or thousands of years from now.

Another common talking point about supermarket plastic bags is that they are rarely recycled, but this argument ignores the fact that a large portion of supermarket plastic bags (40% in the U.K.) are reused as garbage pail liners. Interestingly, the U.K. study found that it is better for the environment to reuse these bags as garbage pail liners rather than recycle them. This is due to the environmental "benefits of avoiding the production of the bin liners they replace."

Environmental impact studies can sometimes produce conflicting results, but Just Facts is unaware of any evidence that would overturn the general findings of the U.K. study. The study may even understate the environmental impacts of reusable cotton totes because it doesn't account for regularly washing them, which is recommended because they can harbor dangerous bacteria from meat drippings and other foods.

The study did find that with moderate reuse, plastic totes made from polypropylene are better for the environment than disposable plastic bags, but this doesn't negate the fact that standard plastic bags are a more environmentally friendly choice than so-called green alternatives like paper bags and reusable cotton totes. Thus, when governments outlaw plastic bags to "improve the environment," they actually create more pollution.
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