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 Thebooedocksaint
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 Re: Plastic bag ban  [Re: GBurger717]
#703887 - 01/01/14 11:38 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you actually know how long it takes for a plastic bag to decompose?
There is a reason the Great Pacific Gyre is a thing, and why it is mostly plastic. 
Don't worry guys, once we run out of fossil fuels we will be out of (new) plastic more or less.
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Thebooedocksaint
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You realize that last line in what Carlin says is kind of important if you don't want extinction right?
I don't want to go extinct. When aliens show up I don't want them to be all like "ah fuck, these chaps were just morons and polluted themselves to death"!
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With members of our species thinking like you I wouldn't doubt it.
I personally think being the only species on earth to use advanced technology obligates us to prevent our own extinction. Mind you we will probably take most of the species on earth with us if it gets so bad we all die out.
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What do you mean by "failed mutation". You don't care if the human race goes extinct? Why not?
Because what good have we actually done? Can you think of one thing we have done that wasn't for ourselves or reversing the damage we have caused?
Most species only do things that are for themselves, if they don't they go extinct. And to be clear symbiotic relationships help themselves because without their symbiotic partner they would be fucked.
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With members of our species thinking like you I wouldn't doubt it.
I personally think being the only species on earth to use advanced technology obligates us to prevent our own extinction. Mind you we will probably take most of the species on earth with us if it gets so bad we all die out.
Oh please if you think humans will be here forever then you're pretty dense.
And where are you going to go to after Earth is FUBAR? Mars? Then where from there once mars is fucked?
Every heard the phrase "History repeats itself"? One way or another humans will be there own demise.
Well preferably I think staying on earth until the sun gets to large to stay; however with plebeians like you, who get butt hurt over ending a habit that is literally choking the oceans historically most fertile areas with poison, that only think about how inconvenient a change will be. But then again you just started a thread ranting about a first world problem, and then got butt-hurt when you were given a perfectly legitimate argument why your bitching is as selfish as a toddler.
History repeats itself isn't like some cosmic rule, it's just some line historians use to try to show value in your profession. Go figure a species behavior remains constant in a variety of situations; however, that isn't relevant for a claim about extinction. Assuming the future will be like the past is literally the logical problem with induction, and why it isn't deductively sound.
If we actually centrally planned what we did the human race would be a much more efficient species. Our selfish nature, displayed by products of the first world like you, who think anything justifies increasing their personal (and short term) comfort prevents any kind communal decision making. All the industry you take for granted and assume we must continue has began in the last century or two. It's such a brief period of time in human existence that it's almost laughable to take it to be constant in human activity.
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Is so fucking stupid.
Making people buy a bunch of "tote" bags or paying 10 cents a piece for paper bags.
< butt-hurt over being inconvenienced because you can't have a poison-bag.
I don't think you actually understand how much damage we are actually doing to the global ecosystem. The earth isn't some grand medic that mends itself whenever it is damaged. It's a rock flying through space that happened to be able to harbor life, some of that life developed tool use and then one species created and entire niche of specialized tool-use. They learned to live off the land and defend themselves with their tools, they took other organisms and turned them into ones that better served their needs. We are the only species we have ever observed with those capabilities, I personally think that is a niche worth preserving.
If we do enough damage to the ecosystems of the world it is not unbelievable that life could literally cease to exist. That is not something I want to have on my conscience, even if it's guilt that will be shared by all those that have lived in the industrialized world. It's our obligation to live sustainably, and that which isn't sustainable, if it is to be used) should be used in a manner than would most benefit our fellow life forms. And to be clear, should mankind become extinct, the impact of our exit will ripple throughout the world.
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Explain why the "shitty nylon bags" are bad? Disposable bags are a horrible habit you brat.
I hope I do since I have dat sexy IQ.  #arroganceisbliss
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Protip: unless you're a moron your reusable totes will last far more than a years time.
Protip II: Most plastic escapes landfills.
Protip III: The affect of plastic on the ecosystem isn't merely characterized by it's rate of decomposition.
Protip IV: Many of the organisms who end up consuming the plastic monomers are low in a given food chain, concentrating the chemicals inside of them the further up we go.
Protip V: Don't use dated articles if they quote research (which is also dated).
Protip VI: Plastic bags are not a renewable resource, which is the linchpin of why I think it is a poor practice.
I love how that study completely skirts the issue about the plastics escaping the garbage dumps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_bag#Danger_to_marine_wildlife
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