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 Deadkndys420
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 MH and HPS hybrid bulb 
#693553 - 11/13/13 06:46 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lamp manufacturers have pursued the ideal spectral output for plant growth for years. The biggest advancements made in HID sources for plant growth has been to enhance the inherent deficiencies of either H.P.S. or M.H. While these specialized lamps are much better than standard lamps, the fact is that neither technology can be altered enough to be truly optimum for plant growth. The Ushio Dual is the finest H.I.D. lamp that combines both enhanced M.H. and Super H.P.S. technologies to achieve strong peaks for both vegetative growth and flowering. Must be run in 1000w H.P.S. System.
Wow never knew this type of bulb existed.
Anyone ever try it before?
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 SmokeSomeHash
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 Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Deadkndys420]
#693600 - 11/14/13 08:04 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I havent tried em but i hear of other brands having em.
Its actually two bulbs in one...you can see the hps side and the mh side.
Too many things goin on to make a guess.
Try one and let us know
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SmokeSomeHash
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http://hydrofarm.com/product.php?itemid=7814
Yup...one of hortiluxs most expensive bulbs. Ima ask my hortilux rep if they would reccomend that or just one of each.
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TomCollins
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Deadkndys420]
#693615 - 11/14/13 10:15 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's a strange idea. The two lamps require different filaments; what if one filament burns out before the other?
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Magash
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: TomCollins]
#693624 - 11/14/13 10:52 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah it's goofy. Your gonna need a light mover in order for it to work. Even with the two in one bulb you're still gonna get half the plants under MH light and half under HPS. They have to get the spectrum of both bulbs to emit from a central source.
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Magash]
#693630 - 11/14/13 11:15 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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what are your thoughts on hangin the lamp vertically? Do you think that would enable both spectrums to blend before hitting the plants?
I'm just thinkin out loud here 
Thanks for sharing deadkndys 
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Magash
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Farmer Joe]
#693639 - 11/14/13 12:02 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know it should. The thing is now almost all the light has to be reflected down to the plants.
Plus they already have phosphorus coated metal halid bulbs that have a balanced spectrum.
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Magash]
#693648 - 11/14/13 01:54 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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no shit.Thats interesting. I had no idea they made coated bulbs like that.
If i didn't have height restrictions I'd buy this reflector and give that bulb a try.
I need a BIGGAR grow room! 
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Farmer Joe] 1
#693755 - 11/14/13 10:32 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Farmer Joe said:
I need a BIGGAR grow room!
Dude, I feel ya! I've got a 6x10 room and its just WAY too small. I'm starting with 4kw, but I'm gonna get another pair of thouies to put in there after the first harvest.
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Midgetpawn
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Tank333]
#693787 - 11/15/13 01:09 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I still think an eye hortilux blue MH or Ceramic Metal Halide(might not come in 1000w yet) bulb would still have better spectrum coverage. Dual arc is an interesting idea though.
Heres a spectrum comparison for eye hortiluxs dual arc vs their MH blue bulb.
Super Blue Dual Arc
Blue
I'm not sure why they don't just put the MH Blue bulb in the dual arc.
heres a 400w Phillips master color HPS - ceramic metal halide spectrum which costs about the same as 400w eye hortilux blue if you shop around.
Edited by Midgetpawn (11/15/13 01:28 AM)
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Magash
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Midgetpawn]
#693812 - 11/15/13 06:33 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with ya. I also (like I said earlier) think that they are useless as full do all bulb unless it's spinning. The plants on one side are gonna be getting the MH light the plants on the other the HPS and plants in the middle getting varied mixes of both lights.
the dual arc is junk!!!
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Midgetpawn]
#693839 - 11/15/13 12:58 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've tried flowering with the Hortilux Blue, it didn't even come close to getting the results I would get with HPS.
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SmokeSomeHash
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Why would you flower with the blue?
of course it wouldnt be as good as hps.
But did you try the blue in veg?
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Hawksresurrection
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Because that's what they're trying to tout these as. The new next best thing. A bulb that is giving you enhanced blue and red spectrum at the same time.
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Midgetpawn
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That's weird if the combined spectrums isn't more beneficial. Seems like it would be, at least to improve yield since it more closely resembles the sun, but maybe not. Glad I didn't buy the hortilux blue then.
I was thinking that vegging with a hortilux blue and flowering with ceramic metal halide would be the best option, but that could be untrue too.
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Magash
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Midgetpawn]
#693873 - 11/15/13 06:52 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Midgetpawn said:
That's weird if the combined spectrums isn't more beneficial. Seems like it would be, at least to improve yield since it more closely resembles the sun, but maybe not. Glad I didn't buy the hortilux blue then.
I was thinking that vegging with a hortilux blue and flowering with ceramic metal halide would be the best option, but that could be untrue too.
I have never heard the stuff about the blue being a flowering bulb. I have been using them since 2008 for vegging and I haven't seen anything better in 30 years.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: Magash]
#693899 - 11/15/13 09:02 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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They're great for veg. Just are a waste of time in flower. Never used the ceramic before.
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Magash
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hawksapprentice said:
They're great for veg. Just are a waste of time in flower. Never used the ceramic before.
Yeah I'd have to agree. I mean just from the look of the light from the blues I wouldn't even think of flowering with them.
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SmokeSomeHash
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hawksapprentice said:
Because that's what they're trying to tout these as. The new next best thing. A bulb that is giving you enhanced blue and red spectrum at the same time.
No, theyre not.
I think you mean you tried the dual spec. The blue is a standard mh with no red.
Theres the blue, the red, the dual SPEC which has both blue and red.
They recomend for best just full mh for veg and flower super hps. Nothing new.
The duals are dumb.
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Edited by SmokeSomeHash (11/16/13 08:37 AM)
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Hawksresurrection
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Nope the blue. Look at the spectrum it is putting out. It's has an increased red/orange range
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SmokeSomeHash
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Yeah but where did you hear to use a mh for flower? All my hortilux literature says those are recomended only for veg.
Theres a graph on the hortilux site that shows how good they are and for flowering it says theyre not the best.
I have never heard anyone or read anything that says to flower under mh...obviously itll still work, but yeah its not gonna be as good as hps.
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SmokeSomeHash
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Heres the graph...aint no one touting the blues as a flowering bulb
I know we all know what a MH and a HPS look like so I only put the pic of the dual arc so everyone can see exactly what they mean by 2 bulbs in one.
The dual is supposed to be in the middle of the mh and hps but as you can see...its not as good as just using mh to start and hps to finish. Using 2 different bulbs should always be the best.
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Edited by SmokeSomeHash (11/16/13 09:32 AM)
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Hawksresurrection
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When they first came out, that's what all the stores were claiming.
And you wouldn't believe how many people try to say that MH is great for flowering. It gets claimed all the time, produces a more resiny bud, they claim.
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I've been flowing with the Sunmaster warm deluxe 1000w MH for a like 3 runs and the results are nice. Minimal stretch and the light intensity cant be beat. With careful monitoring and height adjustments I will keep the bulb as close as possible. I tend to finish up to a week early this way.
I feel like the bud quality may be better too, though my yield may be suffering a bit.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: MH and HPS hybrid bulb [Re: DudeTron] 1
#695845 - 11/27/13 06:03 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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MH does NOT give a better quality product. There's a reason we use HPS dude.
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SmokeSomeHash
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Yeah the only time ive read about mh giving better flowers was when it was used with an HPS. Like 1 MH for every 2 to 3 HPS.
Other than that HPS all the way for flowering. The graph says it all.
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