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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #624145 - 05/23/12 10:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Durant is the best player in the NBA imo. He is wayy more clutch than anyone else, just put the ball in his hands and he is money it seems.

James Harden is a fucking stud too




i gotta say, i agree with you about durant.  dude is just clutch as clutch can be.  him and westbrook could go down as one of the best 1-2 punches in history imo if westbrook keeps his head on his shoulders.  they just go great together.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #624574 - 05/25/12 11:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Not only is he clutch, he is also very likable. His personalty is the complete opposite of most stars. He seems quiet and humble despite being the NBA's leading scorer back-to-back years. Him and Derrick Rose, 2 of my favorite players





i got a thunder/heat finals...you?  wouldn't be surprised if boston finds a way in there either though.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Alounacara]
    #624729 - 05/26/12 10:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Fuck that i want a Spurs Heat final:crankey:





what's wrong with me?  forgettin about the spurs?  totally slipped my mind.  don't sleep on san antonio for real, as you're obviously not :rofl:  spurs are a good team for sure though.  spurs, heat, and thunder are all very good teams and boston isn't too far behind either.

if i just had to pick two teams though, i'd have to say thunder/ heat though, but wouldn't be surprised at all to be wrong either, ya know?


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Alounacara]
    #624735 - 05/26/12 10:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It really is a coin toss.  The thing is, I'm not really even into basketball that much during the regular season, just went it gets really late into the playoffs and the finals too of course.  I remember watching some of Jordan's huge playoff performances back in the day.  Shit was epic.  Ever since then, I've really just been into playoffs/finals basketball and not really the regular season.  Shit's boring til late in the playoffs to me :shrug:


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #624832 - 05/27/12 10:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

what was the score? was it like a dominant spurs win or what?


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Alounacara]
    #624838 - 05/27/12 11:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I gotcha.  I definitely don't think it will be a sweep or dominant series win by the Spurs.  Still gonna go with the Thunder I think, but like I said before, wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if the Spurs beat them.  I really think Greg Popovich is a lot better coach than he gets credit for.  I mean up there with like Phil Jackson.  Not saying he's quite as good as Jackson (it's like splitting hairs though to me), but he's definitely in the conversation I think.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #624994 - 05/29/12 01:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cowboys own all.  Always been my team.

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Rondo is their biggest advantage. The heat suck at the PG position defensively and if they have to stick Wade on him it will work to their advantage.





Boston definitely has the ability to have nice matchups. LeBron on Pierce, Bosh (when he comes back) on KG, then you got Wade to play Rondo/ Ray Allen

Both these conference finals are going to be awesome series. One of the better ones in the past decade. All 4 teams remaining are legit championship caliber teams




All 4 teams left really are championship caliber teams.  You're right about that.  On paper I can see Boston winning, yes, but when you really think about it, just that feeling in the gut when you ask yourself who's gonna win with TEAM X VS. TEAM X, the gut feeling tells me Miami is gonna win.  Maybe it's cuz they're younger, I dunno.  Wouldn't hate it though if Boston went on one more run to a title.  If they're gonna do it, they need to do it now, that's for sure.  That team doesn't have too many years left.  I think Doc Rivers is a fuckin awesome coach too btw.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Alounacara]
    #625443 - 06/01/12 12:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

2-1 Spurs, we'll see.  I'm startin to think more highly of the Spurs.  I really wasn't too big on them at first because of their age, but then again, ESPN has been talking all season about how Duncan is playing younger and how the whole team is playing younger really, so it's really not that much of a surprise when I think about it.  Don't sleep on San Antonio, they've got experience over OKC too.  I like Durant and OKC though, and age could still catch up to the Spurs too.  We'll see.  Could go down to a game 7, wouldn't surprise me. 

There really is 4 championship caliber teams left.  It's so hard to pick.  I mean I really could see any one of the four teams left winning the title for real.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #626355 - 06/06/12 10:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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LeBron has been a choke artist as usual. He had a chance to win that game for them on a pretty wide open 3 pointer.. Instead he bricked it, then he allowed Paul Pierce to walk him down and spray one right in his face. That was the game right there.




Everybody calls him a choke artist.  It's bullshit.  I'll admit he wasn't the greatest in the playoffs last year, but you act like 3 pointers are like guaranteed shots, even if he is open.  It's not like just pressing a button and boom, the shot is made, especially in a situation like that with so much pressure.  If the whole entire team had played better, he wouldn't have been in the position to HAVE to hit the 3 to win it, but of course, he misses the shot and it's automatically his fault.  Horseshit.  Dude is one of the greatest players to ever play in the NBA man, everybody just hates on him/the whole team cuz they built that shit up so much before the season last year.

Now, I will admit that he and the whole organization of the Heat should've handled it better when they signed him and Bosh last year.  The whole hour long tv special and them doing the thing in the arena last year and having him, Wade, and Bosh talking to the crowd n shit before the preseason even began was complete and total horseshit, don't get me wrong.  But the only reason everyone is hating on them is because they built it up so much.  They're still a pretty damn good team to have only been together for 2 years dude.  To be honest, I think Pat Riley should be coaching them, NOT Eric Spolstra.  They would be unstoppable dude if they had Riley.  They've only been together for 2 years, just need to tweek a couple things I think.  That dude has so much pressure on him though, it's ridiculous.  If the Heat lose a game, it's Lebron's fault, even if he scored 40 and had 15 assists and 12 rebounds.  He misses one shot with 2 mins to go in the 4th, doesn't matter what he did, the loss is on him.  Surprised the dude hasn't committed suicide yet the way everybody has built him up and then tried to just destroy him.  It's ridiculous.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #626361 - 06/06/12 10:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So you're saying he should make 100% of open 3 pointers?  Is that what you're saying, seriously?  I know it's not the first time he's missed a big shot, but think about how many big shots he HAS made in his career.  People seem to forget about that.  And I didn't necessarily say you were talking out of your ass, but dude has like EVERYONE in the basketball media looking at him through a magnifying glass and when he misses a shot, it's like he sucks.  Yeah, he's missed some, but that team needs to get better as a whole entity so all the pressure isn't on Lebron.  If they were a better team, he wouldn't always be in the position to have to win it for them. 

If I had to pick between him and Durant I don't know what I'd do.  I fuckin absolutely love Durant, and he's younger too which is a plus.  I just think Lebron's got an edge as far as defense, but I love Durant, no doubt.  It would almost be a coinflip if I had to pick.  OKC definitely has more chemistry I think than Miami does.  Kinda goes to show that you can't necessarily just put 3 great players together and have guaranteed championships. 

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And people hate the Heat because of the bullshit stunt James pulled on ESPN when all indications pointed to him returning to Cleveland, he got on national television and embarrassed and betrayed his city and franchise that drafted him #1 overall. A franchise takes a big risk when they give you max contracts and uses the #1 pick on you, he rewarded them with 7 years of great play.. and if he would have left like any other normal FA player, then there wouldnt be the hate but it was the way he left.




^Isn't that like exactly what I said before? :rofl:  It wasn't that he left, it's how he left.  He basically CARRIED that team though for real dude.  He had some decent players with him, but definitely needed a better supporting cast.  And when did indications point to him going back to Cleveland?  There were reports for like DAYS before that ESPN TV special that he was going to Miami.  Yes, he did embarrass the shit out of Cleveland by doing the whole hour long TV special, but from what I remember, indications were always that he was leaving the Cavs, just not sure to where and that basically the Cavs were just grabbing at straws and hoping so bad he would stay, which was like a 1% chance he would.  You're a Cavs fan, aren't you?  If I remember correctly, I think you said that before back in the day when I used to be up here all the time. 

Bottom line I think is that if the Heat were better as a whole, there would be less insane, life under a magnifying glass type pressure on him and he would play better, which he's already an insanely good player to begin with, but he would be even better imo.  I also think that young coach of there's needs to go.  Pat Riley could turn that team into a dynasty.  They'll get rid of Spolstra before they break that team up, I guarantee it.  I don't think he has the team's respect to be honest.  A team like that needs a better coach dude, somebody that knows how to get them to play together.  They just look confused at times to me.  But then again, they've only been together for 2 years now, people forget that.  I mean how many teams win a title in their first year together dude?  Or even their second year together?  And this year wasn't even a full year.  They will win championships though, no doubt in my mind.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #626396 - 06/07/12 01:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree, he did have DECENT players in Cleveland with him.  If they had one big name with him (besides Shaq who was a shell of himself at the time), and the supporting cast you just named, they might've won the time they went to the Finals.

And just for the record, I never said he was the greatest to ever play the game.

And you're right, the pressure will be off of him when he wins a title, but to me, that's unfair as hell dude.  The only reason that pressure is on him like that though, is because of how they handled him leaving the Cavs.  (The ESPN special, the whole big show with fireworks in the arena with him and Wade and Bosh, insane media coverage, etc. etc.)

The thing is though, and I think this won't be argued TOO MUCH anyway, is that Adrian Peterson is pretty much the best back in the NFL, he hasn't won a ring and he has nowhere near the pressure on him as Lebron.  The only difference is because he didn't go to another team and have it built up like James did.  Lebron kind of put it on himself in a way, but I still think it's unfair.

That whole "I'm gonna take my talents to South Beach" TV special WAS complete and total horseshit though dude :rofl:  It was almost awkward to watch I thought anyway.  Like I just knew that that shit was NOT gonna go over good for his public image and all.  He's kind of backed himself into a corner really, and I agree, the pressure won't be off of him until he gets a ring and the only reason is because of HOW he left Cleveland, not just that he left.  However unfair it is, it is a fact :shrug:


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #626399 - 06/07/12 01:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Right and Adrian Peterson didnt get on stage and say "Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4... " when referring to how many titles he was going to win

Dont forget that moment either. That's another reason a lot of people hate him




I said that already dude :lol:  Did you even read what I wrote?


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #626914 - 06/10/12 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OK, I think it's safe to say LeBron came up pretty damn big in Game 7, am I right?  Yes, I am.

Who ya'll got, Thunder or Heat in the Finals?

Such a tough call I think, I could see either team winning it to be honest, but somethin tells me Durant is about to go the fuck off and set some records or some shit.  Durant is a fuckin monster when he goes off and he's pretty clutch too.  Dude will break your back.  Either way, I think it's gonna be an EPIC Finals.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: remix]
    #627095 - 06/12/12 02:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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As far as i am concerned the Thunder won the NBA title by winning 4 games in a row against the Spurs

I really think the Thunder is gonna win the crown in 6 games or less:crankey:




Yeah, that was a hell of a comeback against a great team in the Spurs.  Once they got up 2-0, I thought it was over myself.  The Spurs have great players all around, and a coach that will go down as one of the all time greats, but also (in my humble opinion), as one of the most underrated coaches too.  Definitely a hall of famer though, as well most of the starting 5.  Duncan for sure, Manu Ginobli for sure, Tony Parker more than likely I think.  I thought OKC was done without a question when they got down 2-0.  For them to come back like that really surprised me.  I mean, I knew they were a damn good team, but to win 4 in a row against them, WOW.  Shows a ton of heart.

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They definitely have the more complete team. The Heat still lack a reliable PG and Center.




You don't consider Mario Chalmers reliable?  I'm not saying he's the greatest PG, cuz he's not, but I was just looking at his career stats as well as his 2011-12 Regular Season and Postseason stats, and he's been pretty consistent for the most part.  I mean, he's not lighting it up like Lebron or anything, but he's a very good role player, which is basically what you need when you've got James, Bosh, and Wade.  Everyone else on the team is basically a role player and supporting cast type player and Chalmers has been pretty consistent as far as that goes.

I'll give you the Center thing as far as like technically on the roster. I do think they need a bigger man in the paint, but I usually see Bosh under the basket anyway, so isn't he basically playing Center then, even if he's not listed as one?  So if he's basically playing center even though he isn't listed as one, they're good then I guess.  But as far as on the roster goes, they're only paying one of their four centers over a million dollars a year (3.6).  The other 3, they're paying like 20 bucks a game :rofl:


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #627352 - 06/12/12 11:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Everybody hates on Lebron just because of how the free agency thing got built up last year.  Nobody hates on Wade when he only scored 19 tonight, why's that?  I personally think that Wade isn't sucking, he's just taking a step back because the team plays better when him and Lebron both aren't trying to score a shitload of points, but still, noone says anything about him if he doesn't score 30. I don't get how ya'll are talkin shit about Lebron now, the dude scored 30 fuckin points, had 4 steals, and I'm not sure about his other stats, but damn, what's he gotta do, score every point for his team? Lebron is one of the best players in the league.  The Heat will get some rings, it's only their 2nd year together, damn.  Everybody built him up for all those years in Cleveland, and soon as they didn't win that first year together, started tearing him down.  If they had won a ring last year, everyone would love him.  It's fuckin ridiculous. If Pat Riley coached them though, they would own the NBA.  I still ain't sure about that Spoelstra dude.

Gonna be an epic series, but if OKC gets out to a 2-0 lead in the series, it might be over.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: remix]
    #627358 - 06/13/12 12:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You played against Lebron in High School?  I find that hard to believe seeing as how you're just now saying something about that.

No loyalty?  You say that when someone throws hundreds of millions of dollars in your face.  Is it his fault Cleveland couldn't afford to pay him?  They could've given him A LOT more help in the 7 or so years he was there and maybe they could've won a title, but they didn't have the money to do it.  Yeah, they gave him some help, but not all the pieces he needed, not even close.  That whole organization has been fucked for decades, one player is supposed to change that?

Yes, the "Not 4, not 5, not 6" shit will get people hating on you, I'll give you that.

Choke artist when it counts?  He basically carried Cleveland on his back all those years to even GET to the playoffs.  Again, he could've had more help.  Dude had a couple bad quarters last year in the Finals and he's a choke artist.  If he would've had those same exact stats and they had won, people wouldn't be saying that.

Detracts from his overall greatness that he hasn't won a ring yet?  That's just a media/social stigma that has no overall affect on how good of a player he is.  Even if he never wins a ring, when it's all said and done, his stats will put him up there with the best to ever step on a court.

And the media is more in his face than he is in there's to be honest.  Who built the FA thing up last year?  The Media.  If it hadn't gotten built up by the media like that, there would've been no TV special and fireworks in the arena and "Not 4, not 5, not 6" speeches.  The media built all that shit up, not him.  You think he wants cameras in his face 24/7?  Come on bro.

And 16 mouthpiece???  Wtf are you talking about?


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Pshaw. This was the first finals game where Lebron scored more than 25 points. That's nothing to be too proud of. I'm not hating on the guy and honestly couldn't care which team wins, really. Everything I've said comes from the games I've watched and, even since before the FA crap with Miami, Lebron has had nothing but average to bad games (and 4th quarters) in the finals.

Wade played like crap, too. He's been getting worse and worse every year in the playoffs. My guess is that age and injuries are catching up with him. He hasn't developed a good-enough outside game to compensate against teams like OKC who can really pack the paint with their length and, because of that, he's been struggling. Also, Sefolosha is no joke. He played Wade and Lebron fearlessly and, pretty much, rallied the Thunder's defense/transition game in the second half.

Also, just as I pointed out, Bosh was defensively inept at protecting the interior and rebounded like crap.

And Mario Chalmers didn't disappoint either. He did exactly what I said he would. He constantly fell asleep on his man in transition and, on top of that, got beat off the dribble by just about everybody except Fisher.


It's not just Lebron, but as their leader you'd think he'd be trying to lead by example and pick up his game in the 4th quarter rather than just putting up good numbers for the first 3 and then chucking up a couple lackadaisical turn around jumpshots when the other team is building momentum. Watch him at the end of a game, seriously, it's like he thinks his clout will just put the ball in the basket whenever he throws it up there.




Dwayne Wade isn't playing like crap.  In order for that team to work better than it did last year, they can't have all 3 of them trying to score all the time.  Someone has to take a step back, and it just so happens to be Wade.  He still does other things to help his team.  I know that sounds crazy, that you can help your team without scoring 40 points, but it's true.  He opens up shots for other players by drawing double teams all kinds of other shit.

It amazes me, dude can score 30, but if he misses 2 shots in the 4th quarter, he's a choke artist.  I don't agree with some of the ways the FA was handled last year, don't get me wrong, but it's amazing how the media and fans have built Lebron up just to tear him down.  THat's the way society works though.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Stoneth]
    #627510 - 06/13/12 11:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, this thread has gone off in another direction I see :popcorn:


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #627521 - 06/14/12 12:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not much to talk about right now.  No game tonight and everyone has pretty much spoken their opinions on Lebron, however assanine they might or might not be :shrug:  Doesn't look like any of those opinions are gonna change so I'm not really gonna argue about it anymore, well, not right now anyway.

Ready for the game tomorrow night though.  Is it in OKC or Miami?  I'm thinkin OKC.  Don't they have home court advantage?  2-3-2?


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #627537 - 06/14/12 12:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Ready for the game tomorrow night though.  Is it in OKC or Miami?  I'm thinkin OKC.  Don't they have home court advantage?  2-3-2?




Exactly. Back in OKC again. Then to Miami for 3 games.

OKC really needs to win tomorrow too for me to feel comfortable with their shots at a title.

Miami is still a very talented team and if LeBron + Wade combine for 60 points or more, I think Heat win.




Yeah, tomorrow night is a VERY pivotal game in the series.  If OKC wins again that's gonna be huge, but if Miami evens it up, it's anyone's game imo.


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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs [Re: Picklez]
    #627552 - 06/14/12 12:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah I feel the same way. If OKC wins, they essentially have a lock on the series imo. But a loss means its a coin flip, especially with the next 3 games being played in Miami




The stat was something like 72% of the teams that win Game 1 usually end up winning the series altogether.  That was Sportscenter though, you know how they got a stat for every fucking thing.  Interesting nonetheless though.


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