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viper33802
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First DWC system * UPDATE* [Re: Stoneth]
#622081 - 05/10/12 08:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well here are a few pics of how they are doing. First is a before and after of he trimming of a few fan leaves the other day. I only cut two fan leaves off of each plant to alow light to penetrate further
Before
After
...and here are a few pics from this morning. Please guys any input would be great
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viper33802
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hawksapprentice said: That type of water consumption is very typical for how much plant you have for 5 gallons of water. That's why you usually have a reservoir attached to a DWC system to help supply the plants with more water and nutrients.
With only 5 gallons of water to feed off of you are going to start having pretty dramatic swings in PPM and pH when you get to flowering with only 5 gallons of water. I would recommend adding a circulating reservoir to it so that you can avoid issues during flowering. It's very cheap and easy to do.
Heard... First, I wanted to let you guys know the larger of the two plants(the one pictured on the right) was a male. I was able to tell Thursday night. I cut it out .Boo Hoo. Never the less, he is gone now. Is his old roots that I cannot remove going to damage my live plant? I know that is exactly why I should not have put two plants in one net pot.
Hawk, I am a newb and want something fairly small scale. Maybe 3-4 going at once at most. I was thinking about your recommendation . What about adding another bucket to the system with nothing but a pump in it? I could tie it in with the other (or others later) buckets using tubing at the bottom of the buckets. Then I could hook up a top feed system from the pump to the other buckets.
FYI, my buckets will hold about 3.5 gal of nutes when at the correct level. So, will adding 3.5 gal to my resovoir and changing my system to a top feed be better? Would that promote root rot or anything like that?
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First DWC system * UPDATE* [Re: viper33802]
#623401 - 05/18/12 11:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok guys, I am at day 48, my first day of flowering. My girl (hopefully) is just starting to try to show sex. I was hopping one of you more experienced guys could help me identify it's sex. I know I could just wait a few more days but I think there is enough there for a trained eye to tell. My camera has a pretty good macro lens. I hope it is good enough.
Here is a few of her (I hope)
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viper33802
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i was not talking about the stipules. cropped the photo to make it easier to see. Does that help at all?
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viper33802
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It is a GIRL!!
Moderator, will you move this tread to the Grow Journal category? I will continue to keep you guys updated if you guys are interested.
Edited by viper33802 (05/24/12 05:56 AM)
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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (moved) [Re: Hawksresurrection] 1
#624259 - 05/24/12 02:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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hawksapprentice, thanks for the quick reply. Sorry for all of the newb questions but I would rather ask than f@%k something up.
On that note, how much of the lower branches & leaves should I trim off? Looking at one of hawksapprentice's pics he trims about the bottom third or so off. Or if there is a good topic here you can point me to that would be great.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (moved) [Re: viper33802]
#624260 - 05/24/12 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It all depends on how lazy I'm feeling. In that pic I did trim off the bottom third, but those plants are also about 3 feet tall. '
However in this pic even though you can't see the bottom portion
I did little to no trimming. All the little underdeveloped buds just added to my bubble hash and butter.
-------------------- Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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viper33802
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First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 59/Flowering Day 12) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#625016 - 05/29/12 09:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is a quick update guys. She has shot right up. She is pushing 24" tall now. She was only 13" tall when I switched to flowering. Everything seem to be going well. I do have one question though. As you can see in these new pictures a lot of my fan leaves are curling just a bit at the tips of the leaves. This has been going on for about 2 weeks. Can anyone help me with this? As long as she seems happy I am not too worried about it though.
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First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 61/Flowering Day 14) [Re: Pilze]
#625311 - 05/31/12 06:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am not sure if that could be the case or not. Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom does have 1% Calcium and .5% Magnesium. I do not know for sure as I still need to buy more equipment (PPM meter) but I think I was not changing my reservoir often enough. Right now I have been changing it once every 4-5 days. With my bucket only being able to hold 3Gal of nutes and adding 1Gal per day My PPM had to have been swinging quite a bit. Again I need to go buy an PPM meter.
I now have started changing my reservoir every other day to be safe. I am sure I am wasting nutes, but if that is what it takes at this point.
Here are a few pics from this evening
Edited by viper33802 (05/31/12 06:18 PM)
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First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 63/Flowering Day 16) [Re: viper33802]
#625705 - 06/02/12 05:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey guys just wanted to give you guys a quick update and throw a question out there. I am about to run into a height issue.
you can't really see it but the HPS bulb is at the top of the ruler. 14" of space
Just a quick summary: This is a bag seed (but looks like a indica dom in my opinion) DWC (5Gal) bucket system. I have been using LTS (tie down) for this grow. Wen i switch the lights to 12/12 (on 5/18) she was 13-14" tall. Today she is 28" tall.
If you look at the attached pictures you will be able to see I can only get my lights about 2" higher. I own my house, so doing minor modifications is not the end of the world but...
Can anyone see any alternative to tearing the shelf out of my closet? I don't want to but... if that is what it takes
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viper33802
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First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 66/Flowering Day 19) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#626139 - 06/05/12 06:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here are a few quick pics today. She is at day 19 of flowering and doing good. After talking with hawksapprentice the other day I attempted to tie her down a bit more. I f%&ked that up. I bent the stem too far and it bent to a 90 degree angle. After getting my heart started again I straightened the (tallest) stem back up and held it straight up for just a min or two. After that she held her own weight. Now it is fine. Just a little bulge on the stem. Let me know what you guys think.
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First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 68/Flowering Day 21) [Re: Magash]
#626508 - 06/07/12 06:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok guys I know it has only been two days since my last update but something is causing me some concern. Some of the thin roots close to the top of my root mass are turning brown.
I am certain my bucket is light tight. The ones pictured are not the one i use in my grow room. It is just what I was using while changing nutrient solution. As I have mentioned before I am using Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom. at a strength of 25ml/GAL. I have been putting 3GAL of nutes in bucket topping it off daily and changing completely every 3 days. Just now I only added 2GAL of nutes and plan on changing water every other day. What do you guys think? I am not sure what to do.
Here are a few pics of her
Also, I have been losing a few fan leaves. They are all older lower fan leaves. Here are a few pics of what they are doing
Any help would be much appreciated.
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viper33802
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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 68/Flowering Day 21) [Re: viper33802]
#626632 - 06/08/12 05:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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viper33802 said:
In these pics I posted the yesterday does it look like I have a Phosphorus problem? That is what it looks like to me but I am uncertain. If so, should I get some Botanicare Hydroplex? The reason I mention that brand is cause that is what I am using for nutes. I am open to other brands though.
P.S. hawksapprentice, Thanks for all of your assistance so far.
Edited by viper33802 (06/08/12 05:34 PM)
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First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 72/Flowering Day 25) [Re: viper33802]
#627110 - 06/12/12 06:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK well the pictures are a day late but here you go:
Still looking better since I started having the Hydroplex. I have also added a better exhaust system to help lower the room temps.
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viper33802
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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 72/Flowering Day 25) [Re: Pilze]
#627215 - 06/12/12 01:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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from what I can tell this is the result of a potassium and/or phosphorus problem that happened before I got the PK booster. I do not think it is a calcium or magnesium problem.
Calcium (Ca):
-Affects new growth first --My problem started with older leaves -Terminal buds and root tips die back -Necrotic patches on margins and near leaf base
Magnesium (Mg):
-Commonly deficient in Cannabis -Yellowing of lower leaves progressing upwards with severity -Interveinal yellowing -Rust brown patches on leaf margins, tips and between veins
----------------------------------------------------------------------- It to me looks like a potasium problem
Potassium (K):
-Chlorosis moves upwards from older leaves rapidly progressing to necrotic lesions most visible on margins and tips --seems like what is going on -Branches easily broken--have not had that issue -Stems may stretch--i do seem to have a decent bit of stretching -Similar to iron deficiency except for curled margins and tips
---------------------------------------------------------------------- here is a pic from a few days ago of the damage
This problem started from the older bottom leaves. It is not spreading any further since I started the additive. Thanks for the input though. Does anyone else have a say on the matter?
Also, If I am right and it was potassium and/or phosphorus but is now corected, would I see an improvement in damaged leaves or would they just not get worse?
Edited by viper33802 (06/12/12 01:51 PM)
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First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 76/Flowering Day 29) [Re: viper33802]
#628063 - 06/16/12 12:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok guys I am now in my 5th week of flowering. I think I have the heat & phosphorus issues under control now. My only issue is the rate in which this hungry girl is sucking up that water. I am going to get a larger resivior for next time. It will save me a lot of work. I was looking for a black rubbermaid tub (or something similar) to use and a small water pump. I should have that done by the time iam ready for the next run.
Here are a few new pics her. What do you guys think?
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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: Pilze]
#628912 - 06/22/12 06:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just a minor update for yous guys. I have made quite a few mods to my grow space. I have now upgraded to 600w HPS. Also, I have added mylar sheeting to my walls. I have also made a "ghetto" mode to my cheap reflector. I added two pieces of glass, ducting, and 2 120mm 12vdc fans. What a difference it has made to my growspace.
First, changing from 400w to 600w raised my room temp by about 10 degrees. OUCH!
I lined my walls with mylar.
So I then tried to add 1 piece of glass to my reflector to make my own air cooled reflector. I added ducting & fans. It worked ok but nothing great. So I then decided to add another piece of glass under the first an made an air baffle to draw the air between the pieces on glass. Wow, what a difference. My room is now cooler than ever before (w/ the 400w bulb)
I also tapped into my ac ducting to bring fresh a/c into my grow space instead of just blowing fresh air in.
**My TDS meter should arrive today
I know this girl has gotten heat stressed but I am trying to learn from my mistakes to prepare for my next grow. What do you guys think?
Edited by viper33802 (06/22/12 06:47 AM)
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viper33802
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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: viper33802]
#628967 - 06/22/12 01:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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viper33802 said: So I then tried to add 1 piece of glass to my reflector to make my own air cooled reflector. I added ducting & fans. It worked ok but nothing great. So I then decided to add another piece of glass under the first an made an air baffle to draw the air between the pieces on glass. Wow, what a difference. My room is now cooler than ever before (w/ the 400w bulb)
What do ya'll think of my "modified" reflector? I am quite proud of that monstrosity.
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viper33802
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Re: First DWC bagseed 600w MH/HPS (Day 86/Flowering Day 39) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#629373 - 06/25/12 06:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK GUYS I NEED HELP!! I HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM!!!
Here are a few pics from yesterday morning
Here are pics from this evening
Here is a quick summary Hydro Growers: 1. Are you growing from seed or clones? seed (unknown genetics) 2. How old are your plants? 86 days 3. How tall are your plants? 32" 4. What type of hydro system are you using? DWC 5GL Bucket system (No top feed) 5. What brand/type of nutrients are you using? Botanicare Pure Blend 6. What is the Ph of your nutrient solution? 5.5 - 6.0 7. What is the PPM/EC of your tap water? 150ppm 8. What is the PPM/EC of your nutrient solution? Bloom 1000ppm/25ml Hydroplex 200ppm/5ml 9. What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? 73F night 79F day (add frozen water bottle twice a day) 10. Does your PPM/EC show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check? fall; but yesterday rise, fall again today 11. Does your pH show a rise or fall when you do your daily check? rise 12. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything? tap water, 3-5 times total, 2 during flower 13. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? 600w HPS with 108w CFL 14. How close are your lights to the plants?HPS - 14" CFL - 8" 15. What size is your grow space in square feet? 15 SQFT 16. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space? 72F night 80F day 17. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space? none 18. How much experience do you have growing? 1 previous soil grow
I have had a dark root issue for a while. I have added 3-5ml 35% H2O2 a few times to combat that but not for more than a week. I notice some new white root growth up high. Is that a sign my other roots are dying? Also, as anyone who has been following this thread knows I have had curled leaf tips since shortly after starting flowering. I have tried to get my room temp lowered to help this thinking it may be heat related. I also starting adding Hydroplex to supplement phosphorus. After I started adding the Hydroplex the number of leaves I was loosing dropped so I thought I resolved the issue.
Now as of today, I have a lot of leaves that have yellowed and developed necrotic spots in a short amount of time. What do you guys think? I tried to provide as much information as possible but if I messed something please ask. Any assistance would be awesome.
mod: can/should I duplicate post in Doctor's Diagnosis?
Edited by viper33802 (06/25/12 06:32 PM)
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viper33802
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Re: First DWC bagseed 600w MH/HPS (Day 86/Flowering Day 39) [Re: viper33802]
#629441 - 06/26/12 06:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just Made a modification to my grow space. I added a horizontal sheet of mylar at the height of the bucket. I cut slits in the sheet to allow the plant to slide in. Then I added a small fan to circulate air through the shaded covered area
I hope his will help. Does it look too late to help at this point?
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