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A To The K
Smokey
Registered: 06/20/10
Posts: 219
Last seen: 8 years, 3 months
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Fuck coir.
#592792 - 10/19/11 11:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm filling this out for soil since its more of a soil than a hydro thang.
Soil Growers: 1. Are you growing from seed or clones?
Bagseed.
2. How old are your plants?
2 weeks since they hit the cubes, about 10 days since they popped. 7 days since I planted to the coir. So, 2 weeks?
3. How tall are your plants?
Seedlings.
4. What size containers are they planted in?
Solo Cups
5. What is your soil mix?
Straight coir.
6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use?
Tap water that has been ph'd. Second watering was today...see details.
7. What is the pH of your water?
Yellow...which is supposed to be 6 to 6.5...leaning more to the 6.5 I think.
8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio?
Fed 1/4 strength FF Grow Big just now.
9. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?
No.
10. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights")
CFL for now. I'm thinking about 150w.
11. How close are your lights to the plants?
4 inches?
12. What size is your grow space in square feet?
About 2x1. Small box. See picture.
13. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
I don't have a thermometer in there but I know its less than 80. Humidity IDK.
14. What is the pH of the soil?
Unsure. No meter to check unfortunately.
15. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?
Nope.
16. How much experience do you have growing?
About 10+ soil grows, 0 successes in coir.
This seems to happen every time I try to grow in coir. I want to make the switch so badly, but it just doesn't want to work for me. I popped the seedlings in ph'd watered rockwool. They were doing fine for a week and I dropped them in the coir last Wednesday.
The next day they were all pretty curled under which I would say is a big overwatering. I figured "ok, they're seedlings so they don't have roots to drink the water I gave them, my bad."...but then they all started yellowing AL-FUCKING-READY. This is where I always get stuck with coir.
Today they are still rather curled under which pisses me off to no end. But since they are so yellow, I decided I needed to feed them something to keep them alive, and the only way I know how to do that is by giving them water.... So, despite the overwatering signs I just gave them about 1/4 strength of FF Grow Big hoping it'll save them.
I was under the impression that one couldn't over water coir, so I just gave 'em a real good flushing on the day I planted them. Obviously a mistake.
Can someone please help me out and let me know what I'm doing wrong here? This is just so frustrating.
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A To The K
Smokey
Registered: 06/20/10
Posts: 219
Last seen: 8 years, 3 months
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Re: Fuck coir. [Re: Stoneth]
#593240 - 10/21/11 07:05 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well shit, I've definitely been doing my ph wrong then. Ugh, I dunno how I could have overlooked that one lol.
And they're staying pretty damp. I had 2 or so stragglers I just took out completely because they weren't worth keeping. The bottom 3 inches or so of the coir was pretty wet, but this was before they built up any roots.
OK, so noted, lower ph quite a bit...
You guys think theres any saving of these? If I take what I've learned here, and apply it to the next watering, you think they'll spring back?
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A To The K
Smokey
Registered: 06/20/10
Posts: 219
Last seen: 8 years, 3 months
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Re: Fuck coir. [Re: mhbound]
#593247 - 10/21/11 08:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually, I just checked them out this morning and they are perked right back up, almost not ram-horned at all. They are extremely yellow though, I'm assuming because I fucked up the pH. I can actually see growth since the last time I looked at them, so I'm assuming the nutes weren't too bad of a thing to give it (like I said, I gave it 1/4 strength, maybe even 1/8 when I think about it.)
I'm excited to fix these girls up...now if I could just figure out when to water them, I'd be all set!
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A To The K
Smokey
Registered: 06/20/10
Posts: 219
Last seen: 8 years, 3 months
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I always water until runoff, I was actually coming back here to ask how much runoff is too much (forgot to ask in my PM) but it sounds like any amount is fine.
Actually, I water my soil plants until they runoff too...I've learned doing it that way I don't ever get very bad burns.
If these survive, I think I'm gonna step up my staggered SOG into half gallon pots rather than the solo cup SOG I was gonna use. I have the space, I have the lighting, I have the pots...the only thing I'm really missing is the additional coir (which is what, $6 for 2 bricks? haha).
Time'll tell. Heres to hoping they spring back...and that I've got some damn females in the mix lol.
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A To The K
Smokey
Registered: 06/20/10
Posts: 219
Last seen: 8 years, 3 months
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Re: Fuck coir. [Re: Stoneth]
#593438 - 10/22/11 08:47 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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A little update, I checked the girls this morning and none of them are curled under anymore, they are standing right up. Still real yellow, but of course they are. We'll see what the new growth looks like.
I gave them a light watering yesterday of appropriate pH water.
I feel so much better about this grow now haha. Thanks a ton for the help, I was really discouraged the other day.
I have a seedling from this batch I just threw under 12/12 right away because it wasn't very good looking and I had an extra cup and extra coir. Its been kinda my experimental one. I tipped the cup over today (the coir was damp so it stuck together) and the tap root was already hitting the bottom of the cup. So I have to assume the ones under veg light are doing even better
Question - should the runoff be clear? Its got that reddish tinge to it still like the color of the coir. Makes it hard to measure the runoff.
Edited by A To The K (10/22/11 08:53 AM)
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