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 OverDoseLiving
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 Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings 
#545452 - 04/11/11 08:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pretty much my whole pack of blue himalayan is dead on day 3. except one but i ddont think itll make it. it fell out, of the peat puck cuse its roots were rotted and the puck wasnt even too wet..
Thats it, I am done with peat pucks and autoflowers. Ive just hadd ba experiences with jiffy pellets, especially when using them for autoflowers. I know this multiple fctors came into play here, but Im sure if I would have just put them straight into soiul, like I KNEW I should have, i wouldnt have been out $100. 
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
#545470 - 04/11/11 09:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're not making sense here though. Your title says that a superthrive OD killed em, and in your post you're saying it was due to the peat pellets?
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 Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
#545475 - 04/11/11 09:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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WTF
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SpaceMonkey
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: KaptKid]
#545480 - 04/11/11 09:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just curious?
Why did you give seedlings food? And as far as superthrive goes, well it can definitely stunt plants IME. Have never killed any with superthrive alone. But have slowed down growth considerably. You are only to use a drop or 2 per gallon.
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OverDoseLiving
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: SpaceMonkey]
#545486 - 04/11/11 10:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I know i didnt make much sense. It was just a combo of factors that worked together, i dont think it would have happend without one or the othe. i figured most people would be able to make sense out of what I was saying and just figure I was pissed and didnt give a fuck much about what I saidd,,. together they killed my plants. I dont think it woul have been like that therwiise if i just used pellets, or just superthrive..
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SpaceMonkey
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
#545489 - 04/11/11 10:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Or not feed your seedling till about a month old? Anything.
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
#545508 - 04/11/11 11:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Superthrive is a defoliant. It can wipe out jungles similar to agent orange. Why anyone feeds that to their plants is beyond me. Don't believe me research the ingredients.
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SpaceMonkey
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
#545528 - 04/12/11 12:09 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Defoliant?
From what I saw and smell when I use it. It is soluable vitamins and minerals. 
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Eleutherios
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
#545537 - 04/12/11 02:55 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Flying_Dog said:
Superthrive is a defoliant. It can wipe out jungles similar to agent orange. Why anyone feeds that to their plants is beyond me. Don't believe me research the ingredients.
Such an outrageous claim demands equal evidence. Its a synthetic hormone and b1. Dooms Day in a bottle 
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Eleutherios]
#545572 - 04/12/11 10:45 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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ya its a rooting horone and some vitamins, who knows what else...
I think it contains gibberellins. Thinking about it, I think in higher doses some of those actually can stunt growth..
They have different efects depending on the dose..
I guess i found the dose that kills them..
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
#545593 - 04/12/11 01:04 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is just an example of more does not equal better.
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Eleutherios]
#545597 - 04/12/11 01:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd be willing to bet that Superthrive had nothing to do with the death of these plants. Unless of course you tried using more than 3ml per gallon.
You say the root was rotten, and I'm guess ing was a try at hydro, since you said next time you'd use soil.
Well was the water airated? Lack of air in the water will cause root rot quickly.
This sounds like a drowning issue to me. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Stoneth]
#545762 - 04/12/11 06:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You guys say its only vitamins and minerals. Show me the hazmat sheet you only see this on. I will track it down again and post it here. Just cause you guys think its just vitamins and hormones doesn't mean its true. Superthrive does contain dioxins and synthetic auxins. There is a reason its illegal in a few states.
Edited by Flying_Dog (04/12/11 06:34 PM)
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
#545870 - 04/12/11 11:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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SUPERthrive is a WARF testing lab certified non-toxic liquid concentrated growth enhancer product for plants, which has been available since 1940. It contains ".09% vitamin B1, .048% 1-Napthyl acetic acid",[1].
The hormone 1-Naphthyl acetic acid (NAA) does not occur naturally. Under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides. The sale of Superthrive is prohibited in Oklahoma, Minnesota, and Oregon as an unregistered pesticide.-From Wikipedia
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Eleutherios]
#545994 - 04/13/11 11:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Exactly, 1-Naphthyl acetic acid (NAA) is a synthetic auxin.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
#546028 - 04/13/11 12:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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And how does that make it an herbicide?
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#546239 - 04/13/11 09:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Heres a little something, I'm at work right now so later I will track down some university files. Also if you simply google it as a defoliant you will find hundreds of articles and material sheets.
Maybe we should do a thread on how auxins and synthetic auxins work since nobody here seems to have knowledge of them.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4402726.html
Auxins are often used to promote initiation of adventitious roots and are the active ingredient of the commercial preparations used in horticulture to root stem cuttings. They can also be used to promote uniform flowering, to promote fruit set, and to prevent premature fruit drop.
Used in high doses, auxin stimulates the production of ethylene. Excess ethylene can inhibit elongation growth, cause leaves to fall (leaf abscission), and even kill the plant.
Broad-leaf plants (dicots) such as dandelions are much more susceptible to auxins than narrow-leaf plants (monocots) like grass and cereal crops. These synthetic auxins were the active agents in Agent Orange, a defoliant used extensively by American forces in the Vietnam War.
Edited by Flying_Dog (04/13/11 10:07 PM)
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
#546260 - 04/13/11 10:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Flying_Dog said:
how auxins and synthetic auxins work since nobody here seems to have knowledge of them.
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#546368 - 04/14/11 01:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wasn't refering to you harrysac.lol I mean in general everyone seemed to not know what I was refering to. I probably worded that wrong after a whole bottle of jack and pain killers because I seriously injured my knee yesterday after planting 9 abrorvitae's for a privacy barrier. I was very grumpy from the pain and the jack probably inhanced it. So I hope nobody took it the wrong way. I think we should have a sticky thread that shows how the vascular systems of plants works and how hormones influence plant growth. I know I would surely learn something. I would try today to do one but I just have a short attention span today from all the painkillers, might need to get it checked out. Also Im not a good artist to draw things up, although I'm sure I could find pics online. Maybe tomorrow unless someone else wants to do that.
edit: Alright to determine the phytotoxicity of superthrive I'm going to do a series of experiments and would appreciate particpation from everyone and advise on how to conduct these experiments.
Also besides phytotoxicty I'm curious as to human toxcity of superthrive. Considering that some synthetic auxins have been linked to cancer in humans. Obviously we can't test this but I will check if there has been research done concerning the synthetic auxin in superthrive. If anyone has info you can post it in the thead I will start containing the experiments so as not to take tis thread to far off topic. It can now be found here.. http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/546400
Edited by Flying_Dog (04/14/11 03:07 PM)
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
#546401 - 04/14/11 03:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it's a flawed experiment. Feed your plants 5x the suggested dosage of ANY nutrient and see what happens
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#546409 - 04/14/11 04:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Really? So you know the toxic levels of superthrive already? Why don't you just tell us then? At what wieght does this occur? Superthrive isn't a nutrient either its synthetic hormone. You agree superthrive isn't a nutrient right and synthetic auxins are defoliants right? The whole point of the expirment is to find where benfits stop and ethylene poisoning begins. Recomended dosage of superthrive is a drop per gallon so you are confident 5 drops in a gallon will kill a plant? When have you tried this? I have seen plants with no ill effects at 10 drops per gallon hence the dosages in the experiment.
Edited by Flying_Dog (04/14/11 04:22 PM)
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
#546415 - 04/14/11 04:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're completely missing the point. Like 100% whif.
I'm not claiming to know the toxicity levels, and I think it's important to know, but I think it's silly that you've set out on such an aggressive endeavor to prove that superthrive is bad at high levels when ALL I'M SAYING is that anything you feed your plant will be harmful at such ridiculous levels.
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Superthrive isn't a nutrient either its synthetic hormone. You agree superthrive isn't a nutrient right and synthetic auxins are defoliants right?
Stop talking to me like I'm a child. I've forgotten more about plant physiology than you've ever heard. I'm sure you feel so incredibly smart with your impeccable googling skills ( ) but some of us are ACTUAL scientists by career and I think you'd be wise to listen to some legitimate constructive criticism about your experiment. I'm not trying to tear you down, I was merely pointing out a reason why your experiment isn't as perfect as you seem to think. Unwad your panties and carry on.
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#546421 - 04/14/11 05:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its just your wording that has me confussed. Theres a difference betteen defoliants and herbicides nutrients and hormones. For anything to be considered vaild info I believe proper terminology is a must. I'm not trying to say I'm smarter then you, or your smarter then me. I just figure the porper use of these hormones can be better understood through expermentation especially since some plants are more sensitive then others. This forum is about a specific plant so we can't speak to general on effects it needs to be accurate to the cannabis plant. Yes google is handy when others ask for proof of a response. They wouldn't be asking if they just took a second to look it up themselves.
"Stop talking to me like I'm a child. I've forgotten more about plant physiology than you've ever heard. I'm sure you feel so incredibly smart with your impeccable googling skills () but some of us are ACTUAL scientists by career and I think you'd be wise to listen to some legitimate constructive criticism about your experiment"
Never spoke to you as if you were a child, I'm glad your a scientist. The reason it is a aggressive experment is because I know a 10x dosage does not have any negative effects. It would be pointless to do small percentages higher and I don't have fields to experiment on. It was no insult to you. You said its flawed but didn't give me a doseage range you think would be acceptable. That doesn't really help any, if you gave some input I would have explained why I'm using the dosages. Looking for constructive critisim not critisim.
I like you harryballs, maybe both of us are just having a bad day.lol Anyway sending you hugs. You see my point ofview though, don't you?
Edited by Flying_Dog (04/14/11 05:39 PM)
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
#546482 - 04/14/11 08:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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 interesting.
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: SpaceMonkey]
#546530 - 04/14/11 10:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Superthrive is mainly vitamin b1. From the sound of things the roots were in to moist of conditions which is fairly common with peat pellets.
I've used it at one tablespoon per gallon and the only thing it did was cause some male flowers in plants that were budding. That crap is some of the most overrated shit in the history of gardening. The hype on that crap is almost as bad as the hype on advanced nutrients stuff.
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: SpaceMonkey]
#546554 - 04/14/11 11:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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interesting.
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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#546805 - 04/15/11 08:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Harry_Ba11sach said:
I think it's a flawed experiment. Feed your plants 5x the suggested dosage of ANY nutrient and see what happens
QFT!!!
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