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 Zeitgeist: Moving Forward 
#521260 - 01/30/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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some of you might be interested in this....
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#521261 - 01/30/11 04:32 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks fb
 
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CrayolaHalls
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#521365 - 01/30/11 08:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you. I followed your link and watched it. I think it is much better than the other Zeitgeist movies. I liked that they mostly stuck to their own ideas. There was some counter-point going on, but they didn't attack specific people or systems.
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: CrayolaHalls]
#521449 - 01/31/11 01:52 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I disagree with the John Locke and the Wealth of nations part when they are referring to the "Invisible Hand". The invisible hand that John Locke writes about isn't referring to god playing a role in economics, it simply demonstrates the thought that if the economy is left untouched or changed that there is an "invisible hand" that eventually balances out the economy in the long run and is the basis for laissez-faire economics. Seems underhanded to take something out of context like that to fit your views and I was really liking the movie up until that point too. The monopoly analogy in the beginning was awesome, I really want to use that method to teach my kids that same lesson someday.
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: jkell]
#521469 - 01/31/11 05:31 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I literally just saw it at the movies.
Good shit to say the least 
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: jkell]
#521518 - 01/31/11 08:25 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
jkell said:
I disagree with the John Locke and the Wealth of nations part when they are referring to the "Invisible Hand". The invisible hand that John Locke writes about isn't referring to god playing a role in economics, it simply demonstrates the thought that if the economy is left untouched or changed that there is an "invisible hand" that eventually balances out the economy in the long run and is the basis for laissez-faire economics. Seems underhanded to take something out of context like that to fit your views and I was really liking the movie up until that point too. The monopoly analogy in the beginning was awesome, I really want to use that method to teach my kids that same lesson someday.
adam smith wrote the wealth of nations, not locke. i know what you mean though.
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#521520 - 01/31/11 08:31 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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cheers for the good post
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: Scraps]
#521521 - 01/31/11 08:33 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Someone give the TL;DW version
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: DungenessDank]
#521532 - 01/31/11 09:28 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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DungenessDank said:
Someone give the TL;DW version
American culture and economics are fucked up.
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: Far Stox]
#521543 - 01/31/11 10:21 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I could have saved everyone 2 hours if I had only knew.
What do they blame for our sick culture and economic oppression?
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: DungenessDank]
#521563 - 01/31/11 11:09 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks, didn't know this was out yet, gonna watch it later.
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: DungenessDank]
#521572 - 01/31/11 11:27 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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DungenessDank said:
I could have saved everyone 2 hours if I had only knew.
What do they blame for our sick culture and economic oppression?
This movie wasn't a typical NWO blame-fest. This tackled issues related to economies and using cash as a value system. It had a touch of an emotional pitch, but was mostly a rational presentation on the Zeitgeist organization's platform.
I can't comment on the accuracy of the information to the extent that others, like Jkell can, but I do think that well structured presentations of alternate systems are going to be required for us to break out of the cycle we are in. I think it is really healthy for society to review options and be willing to forgo fear in order to at least consider that there may be better ways to operate.
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: CrayolaHalls]
#521576 - 01/31/11 11:32 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well if they present it in a rational light than I have no problem with it. Rational solutions are what we need right now, or things will continue to get worse.
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: DungenessDank]
#521609 - 01/31/11 01:31 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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long story short - they talk about what a person needs to not only survive but thrive, from the moment of conception to general life concepts about love and empathy. then they talk about why we are all fucked, then they finish by laying out what an ideal world would look like. call that a rational solution if you want, but it still requires a complete collapse of our monetary system to get there. sooooo, ya it's a little depressing, imo.
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#521624 - 01/31/11 02:56 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is this Zeitgeist part 2?
What's different about this one?
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: Picklez]
#521642 - 01/31/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Goddamnit.. Why does the world have to be such a huge, depressing, practically hopeless piece of shit failure? 
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: Cage]
#521643 - 01/31/11 04:08 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I take those movies as a grain of salt. There are always problems in the world. People who have and people who dont. The world will never be perfect 
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: Picklez]
#521645 - 01/31/11 04:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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KillerPicklez said:
Is this Zeitgeist part 2?
What's different about this one?
It's the third one.
With Zeitgeist it's ok if you do t watch them in order. Best to watch the last 1/4 of the third one last though.
3rd Zeitgeist has a fucking fantastic ending. I found it so motivating 
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#521991 - 02/01/11 01:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
FurrowedBrow said:
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jkell said:
I disagree with the John Locke and the Wealth of nations part when they are referring to the "Invisible Hand". The invisible hand that John Locke writes about isn't referring to god playing a role in economics, it simply demonstrates the thought that if the economy is left untouched or changed that there is an "invisible hand" that eventually balances out the economy in the long run and is the basis for laissez-faire economics. Seems underhanded to take something out of context like that to fit your views and I was really liking the movie up until that point too. The monopoly analogy in the beginning was awesome, I really want to use that method to teach my kids that same lesson someday.
adam smith wrote the wealth of nations, not locke. i know what you mean though.
ha yeah my bad  you got the jist though. Very motivating and compelling video none the less, are the others on youtube as well I have not seen them either?
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Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Re: jkell]
#521992 - 02/01/11 01:36 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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i would just go to google and look up zeitgeist videos and they should be on there. i think both are at least 2 hrs long.
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