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First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. *DELETED*
#511011 - 01/04/11 11:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: maryanne3087]
#511219 - 01/05/11 07:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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When you say you start them out under full lights, you mean after a few days for germination, right?
And opinions on using 18 or 24 hrs of light?
Thank you
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: orison319]
#511353 - 01/06/11 12:01 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for all the responses.
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Shroomofdoom said: Once they pop outta the shell, I plant em and put em right under light. Now Im no pro or anything but its worked perfect for me. I've had seeds pop and probably 36 hours later little seedlings pokin out. Good luck! Take pics and stuff, keep us posted.
Going to start a grow log with pics of the whole process within the next few days. Will post a link to the grow log section when I do.
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Pandor said: When you say you start them out under full lights, you mean after a few days for germination, right?
And opinions on using 18 or 24 hrs of light?
Thank you
My coco plugs go under the lights, the seeds don't sprout all at once so I suppose I could leave the light off until the first sprout emerges but after that they need light. I plant 72 + seeds at a time so I don't really have the patience to wait for a sprout to emerge, nor do I have patience for pregermination methods.
BTW I hang my lights high like 4ft above the seedlings but it's all relative to how cool your room is or more importantly how cool the temperature is at the seedling's canopy or the temp right at the seedlings foliage however you want to think of it.
Thanks for that.
Do I need to worry about feeding them, or is it still just water at this point? My friend purchased "Clonex" 1-.4-1 and claims that the seeds will benefit from this. If this is correct, when is a good time to start using it?
How long do I leave the cover on the dome? I understand that humidity is very important in the very beginning of the plant's life, but how long?
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orison319 said: damage wouldnt be that bad switching them up to Hps from them fluros.. If you cant condition the plants , move lamps higher for a few day, or put a screen between lamps and plants., black window screen tacked up.
but I wouldnt be to worried ,, get a title fanning on the stems, makes em tough..
I'll cross this bridge when I come to it. I tried convincing my friend to buy a HPS light, he insisted that we use a fluro.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: maryanne3087]
#511700 - 01/07/11 01:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Super Lemon Haze and Super Kush showed their little white root *(radicle is that it?) today. Still waiting on White Rhino and Church.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: Pandor]
#511724 - 01/07/11 02:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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The dome is going to be introduced to the veg room.
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There are air holes on top. Do I open or close them?
I plan on watering the small pellets every time they get dry with a spray bottle. Sound OK?
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: Magash]
#511828 - 01/08/11 01:50 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would I be better off just tossing the plastic dome covering and putting them under direct light? Or do they need humidity their first few days?
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: maryanne3087]
#511867 - 01/08/11 09:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks so much Magash, maryanne3087, and everyone.
I'm on a second read of "The Bible" by Cervantes, I've read 2 other books, and I watch videos all the time, but you guys really help the most. Simple questions like the one about the dome are not addressed there. I really appreciate your input.
White Rhino and one Church went in today.
Thanks again. Going to start a grow log as soon as I have more pictures.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: maryanne3087]
#511957 - 01/08/11 02:41 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pandor said: Thanks so much Magash, maryanne3087, and everyone.
I'm on a second read of "The Bible" by Cervantes, I've read 2 other books, and I watch videos all the time, but you guys really help the most. Simple questions like the one about the dome are not addressed there. I really appreciate your input.
White Rhino and one Church went in today.
Thanks again. Going to start a grow log as soon as I have more pictures.
Reading Marijuana Horticulture Grower Bible by Jorge Cervantes without having prior experience could put you back more than it puts you forward. There's a lot of inaccurate information in the book, most of the inaccuracies aren't things that would ruin a grow but I don't think it's good to learn things that aren't factual.
I'm trying not to use that as my only source. I learn more searching the forums and asking. But as far as books go, there does not seem to be many good ones written on marijuana horticulture. I have a few others but they really aren't worth mentioning because they all seem to be shorter, similar versions of Cervantes book.
In the "Seeds" section of that book, under the topic, "Seedlings", he says the compact fluorescent should be 12-18 inches away from the seedlings. Do you agree with that? I ask because to me that seems very close. Right now they are about 2.5 feet away from the light. Should I move them?
And how big should they be before I put a little fan on them to strengthen them? An inch or so? I already have a small top and bottom ventilation fan, but it's my understanding that they will need another to push them around a little bit to make the environment more like outdoors and to make them stronger. I only ask about this because I worry about drying them out.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: maryanne3087]
#512003 - 01/08/11 04:57 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am a little confused about the difference between CFLs and florescent (tube) lights. I guess I thought they were the same thing.
How do I know what type mine is? I guess that would help me understand how close to put the plants to the light.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: maryanne3087]
#512242 - 01/09/11 12:43 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I NEED to get those plants closer to the light. Doing that right now.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: Pandor]
#512246 - 01/09/11 12:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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There we go. Or Should I still go a little closer?
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: muse42]
#512300 - 01/09/11 02:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just had to go out. While I was gone the thermometer read 73 but it was on the floor. I just moved it.
What is the ideal temp? High 70s?
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: muse42]
#512312 - 01/09/11 03:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for that. Will move the light closer
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: muse42]
#512549 - 01/10/11 11:59 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Last night.
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A few minutes ago.
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I lifted the tray and saw a little root poking out. It's not as white as I imagined it should be. Is this because there is water pooling under the pellets? Does this have the potential to be the dreaded rot? Should I raise the inner container so it does not sit in the water?
I try not to over water them, but they dry out frequently being so close to the light. Just trying to get everything just right.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: lostinbq]
#512591 - 01/10/11 03:40 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried to take a picture, this is what I got.
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As you can see, this is just the very first little root, and I am only slightly concerned about the color (which you can not see all that well).
I am am trying to get a jump ahead of what may cause future problems. Since I have moved them all so close to the light, the temp is fine, but the pellets are drying out FAST. I water them 3x per day. When I water them, at first some water does not absorb and goes off to the side and bottom.
Is the bottom of the tray really necessary? I was thinking about taking it out of there so the excess water would not pool. Or maybe even taking out of their holders and letting the whole pellet sit out and I could just spray the whole thing.
Or am I making a big deal about nothing?
I've been very nervous since I read this in top post listed below.
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lampshadehelmet said: A word of caution on germinating seeds... having extra rapid rooter plugs sitting around I decided to use them rather than throw them out(used to clone in them switched to aero).
The seeds failed miserably at pushing their way out of the plugs and most coiled up into a ball of tap root and died without ever emerging. The ones that did break surface ended up dying as well due to the root not being able to grow properly.
This was a fresh bag of plugs and I have used them to clone before, but suggest never attempting to germinate in them. I managed to save a few by ripping them out of the plugs and placing in dirt.
I agree, plugs are more difficult to grow seeds in because they get waterlogged so easily. I think coda uses them and I know a couple other experienced growers that do, but for a newbie starting out they should be avoided.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: Pandor]
#512626 - 01/10/11 05:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Most of the little plants have a root starting to shoot out the bottom that is not looking all that great. I guess this means they need to be planted.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: maryanne3087]
#512634 - 01/10/11 05:19 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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But the roots that are shooting out of the bottom look a little wilted. Is this a cause for concern?
Approximately how long until I need to transplant?
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: maryanne3087]
#512991 - 01/11/11 01:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pandor said: But the roots that are shooting out of the bottom look a little wilted. Is this a cause for concern?
Approximately how long until I need to transplant?
You can transplant whenever you want but I wait for my coco plugs to fill out with roots so that the bottoms have multiple roots showing and not just the tap root then I cut away the plastic as gently as possible and transplant into a larger container.
IMO, letting the roots fill up the container leads to the strongest root ball possible, as does as many transplants as possible however the more transplants you do the less efficient your crop gets in terms of labor and time and cost to an extent. So that's something to consider.
The only thing that worries me is that you say "multiple roots showing". The roots that have grown out of the bottoms have shriveled up and died.
This morning I found one plant is leaning over and it's leaves are actually touching the dirt.
The more I read and hear about these plugs, the more I don't like my using them.
I am seriously considering going out to buy little plastic cups and transplanting these. Either in to a soil less mix, or orgainic (FF, yes I researched) soil.
If I go with the soil, should I continue to skip the nutes? With the soiless mix, is the following picture a good nute? This is what the guy at the store recommended.
Oh and one more question.
If you use little cups, do you make holes in the bottom?
Thanks everyone for you input on my thread. I really love this site just as much as I loved using Shroomery.
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: ChillWillis]
#513175 - 01/12/11 02:00 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, the tap roots reach the bottom and shrivel up and die. I would post a pic, but I tried to previously and you don't really see much due to the small size of the plants and the light.
I originally thought this was due to the standing water. Although I was always careful not to over water, at first I was not dumping the little bit of excess out. Now I am. Still the plants that have since had their taproot hit the bottom have also had theirs shrivel up.
The plants appear healthy for the most part except for the root at the bottom. It also seems that growth has slowed more then it should have. This is obviously speculation since this is my first time around. I was thinking that the stall in growth is because they need a transplant and/or nutes.
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ChillWillis said: pics of the plant(s) would help your cause
if you get the FF soil you won't need nutrients for a little while, but some people take the more aggressive approach and feed them within reason. you're really only going to need to feed seedlings/young plants nutes when using a medium that doesn't contain any nutrients like hempy buckets.
no matter what you're growing in you're always going to need drainage otherwise your plants will drown or build up mold/bacteria. so yes put holes in the solo cups or whatever.
Clonex isn't really a nutrient it's made for starting clones from cuttings off of mature plants. I don't really think you'll need it for awhile.
On the bottom of the Clonex bottle, it says "clone and seedling nutrient 1-0.4-1" If I do go the soiless mix route, is this OK to use? Or just go buy something else? Recommendations on products?
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Re: First timer. Critique my germination process and my veg room. [Re: ChillWillis]
#513230 - 01/12/11 01:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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So......
I've been literally driving myself crazy all morning searching this and other forums trying to decide if I want to transplant them in to soil or coco.
Here's a picture update.
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If I do decide to go the coco route, Would this stuff be ok? It's just compressed coco bricks. These are laying around because I used them for mushroom cultivation.
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It seems they are safe to use but I figured I would put them up here just in case someone has had a bad experience with it.
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